Hi all,
It has been six yrs since my dad was diagnosed prostate cancer. He
had his gland surgically removed right away and was on Hormone
treatment since then. The PSA index has been good until 6 months ago
when its up to 40 something. He had bone scan and it was determined
that the cancer has not spread yet. One month ago he found blood in
his urine, and stayed in the hospital for three days and though all
the exams. He was released and alright.
Today he visited his urologist and realized that the PSA is up to 125.
However, the doctor recommended no extra treatment by now due to his
age and health condition (he still has pretty good life quality,
however he's very hard of hearing, and he's almost blind since last
yr, has heart problem
. like all other guys of his age) until it's
getting more serious.
Is it reasonable? My dad want to fight it more aggressively with
chemo or Cryotherapy? Does that make sense for a guy of his age?
Thanks,
Andy Lee
jimhoney - 27 Oct 2003 19:53 GMT
First of all, I have never heard of blood in the urine being associated with
prostate cancer. Could you ask the doctor specifically what the cause of
that blood in the urine was?
Second, what is the usual lifespan of the men in your family? And are there
any other factors which could help you estimate how long your father could
reasonably be expected to live if he had a PSA of zero?
jimhoney
> Hi all,
> It has been six yrs since my dad was diagnosed prostate cancer. He
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> Andy Lee
Andy Lee - 27 Oct 2003 23:43 GMT
Thanks for reply.
He was in hospital for 3 days and had been through all the exams. The
doctor concluded that he's ok, and the blood might just be from a
minor infection.
Lifespan? It's a very good question. He has high blood pressure, and
heart problem. Was sent to emergency earlier due to irregular heart
beating. It's very difficult for me to say, but it's fair to say
somehing else might get him before the prostate cancer.
The reason why I'm posting my question is to see if anybody else was
in the same boat and want to share how they handled it.
andy
> First of all, I have never heard of blood in the urine being associated with
> prostate cancer. Could you ask the doctor specifically what the cause of
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> any other factors which could help you estimate how long your father could
> reasonably be expected to live if he had a PSA of zero?
ron - 28 Oct 2003 00:00 GMT
Hi Andy...Your dad sounds like quite a fighter! PSAs as high as your
dad's usually indicate advanced PCa disease. Despite the negative
bone scan, the disease may have metastasized. You may want to take a
look at the Advanced PCa discussion group at the Prostate-Help website
(see http://www.prostate-help.org/cadisgr.htm for a link to the
group). Posting questions there will bring answers from others with
advanced disease that have "been there, done that." They will be able
to provide / direct you to information on various methods of fighting
advanced disease.
It's possible that over time your dad's PCa has mutated to an androgen
independent form so his current hormone therapy is no longer
effective. You didn't specify if your dad was using a single hormone
suppressing drug or multiple drugs (ADT3 or ADT4 programs), so it's
possible that if your dad is currently using a single HT drug, then
using a ADT3/4 therapy might be a helpful step. Of course, HT is just
a milder form of chemo, so chemotherapy would be another option to
consider with your doctor. All of these therapies will lessen your
dad's quality of life, to varying degrees. So one would also need to
compare how much longer your dad is likely to live and the quality of
that time both with and without further treatment. Best wishes and
good health to you and your dad...Ron
> Hi all,
> It has been six yrs since my dad was diagnosed prostate cancer. He
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> Andy Lee
Steve Kramer - 28 Oct 2003 01:51 GMT
Having never bee deaf and blind, I don't know how bad it is. But going from
40 to 125 in six months is a bad thing. I certainly would not die from PCa
if I had a choice.
Unfortunately, after hormone treatment there is not much left that is tried
and true.

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> Hi all,
> It has been six yrs since my dad was diagnosed prostate cancer. He
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> Andy Lee
Danny McCarty - 28 Oct 2003 08:49 GMT
>Subject: Treatment Options for a 83 old man with 6 yrs of prostate cancer
>From: hsuehhwa@yahoo.com (Andy Lee)
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>Andy Lee
Hormone therapy is almost always temporary in its effect. Your father has
had an unusually long success with it. Stopping and starting again might
extend its effectiveness. Chemotherapy seems usually effective in providing
some further delay. But chemicals such as adriamycin, ketokonzole,
estramustine, dexamethosone, ..., impose a life-interrupting rigid and
time-consuming schedule, and often have very uncomfortable side-effects. I
have so far experienced virtually NO SIDE-EFFECTS from these- I feel great.
But I may be very unusual. 'tis funny, all of the guys I meet at the infusion
center every week are upbeat and cheerful, in spite of the fact that some seem
a little sick.... I smile the most of any of them ;-}
It is a dificult decision, and should be up to your father. He has to decide
between the possibility of death from cancer rather than from heart problems,
or delaying the cancer by incurring the possiblity of side-effects and a tough
shedule, while tolerating bad hearing and bad eyesight. Advanced prostate
cancer is a slow and painful death, and I would rather die of stroke, which is
what I expected from my family history. But I want to live as long as I can
while avoiding those final painful months, ie, live long enough to die of
stroke....