I stayed up most of the night reading research reports on
the web, trying to compare all of the apples in one
report to the oranges in the next, and trying to reason my
way through the usual conundrums of extrapolating from
a clinical trial of patients with a different age, or a different
Gleason, or some other difference from me - to what it
means for my treatment.
After all that, I've decided to go for neoadjuvant and
adjuvant hormone therapy, i.e., hormone treatment before
and during my radiation. I get the first Lupron injection
tomorrow afternoon.
The theory is that the HT might:
1. Weaken the cancer cells before they are zapped,
giving a better shot at a sure kill.
2. Reduce the size of the prostate a bit (though
mine is not large now) for easier radiation treatment.
3. Take a whack at distant micrometastases - if there
are any - which won't be affected by radiation. Some
researchers theorize that you can possibly kill them
with hormones if they're still very small.
My wife thinks that dumping a little testosterone might
give me a new perspective. Maybe a little PMS would
help me to appreciate the other gender's point of view.
What can I say? I've already taken the sensor probes
up the rectum. Why not go the rest of the way. :)
Thanks are due to Curtis for giving me a little kick in the
pants on this issue.
c palmer - 29 Oct 2003 21:59 GMT
hi alan - please be forewarn - that you may become emotional when
talking with someone, have tears and may cry some. it is not your
normal character i'm sure, but if you know that if it ever happens (not
saying it will) at least you will know you are not losing your mind.
my father was one that never showed emotions all his life and he cried
real easy after a few years on it, but then, he also had a car accident
and had a big blow to his head and put him on the fast of AZ. so he was
basically a child with emotions, that couldn't remember what and why he
was having these type of problems.
i just want you to understand that lupron affects everyone differently.
some people don't get the hot flashes, some people have a lot of trouble
with hot flashes. and so it goes with the rest of the symptoms.
the good news is, that you are giving yourself the best chance of
beating this and that is what it is all about.
~ curtis
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
Steve Kramer - 29 Oct 2003 22:15 GMT
> Maybe a little PMS would
> help me to appreciate the other gender's point of view.
Sorry about your luck. It does not cause PMS. Hot flashes maybe, but not
PMS. And from what I've seen of hot flashes so far, women don't want us to
know. They're nothing.

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Steve Kramer
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000
PSA .1 .1 .1 .3 .4 .8
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .3 .2 .2 .2 .3
Erection 05/12/2003 @ 48
Begin Lupron 07/21/2003 @ 48
PSA .1
Heather - 30 Oct 2003 04:39 GMT
> > Maybe a little PMS would
> > help me to appreciate the other gender's point of view.
>
>>> Sorry about your luck. It does not cause PMS. Hot flashes maybe,
but not PMS. And from what I've seen of hot flashes so far, women don't
want us to know. They're nothing.<<<
(written tongue in cheek......sort of)
Like hell, they are 'nothing'!! I wouldn't make that statement in a
room full of middle-aged women, if I were you. You have no idea how
debilitating severe hot flashes and night sweats are........(G)
I never had them, but have seen my sister suffer with them for years.
And she is one strong A-type lady who at 120 lbs. would take you on for
what you said and beat the crap out of you!! (chuckling here imagining
her reaction to your statement)
My father had an orchie(d)ectomy and was on hormone therapy at 82 or
so.....he didn't like the side effects so went off them. He commented
that between the op and the HT, he now knew what it meant to....
a) have a baby (sit on the stitches) and
b) how bad hot flashes really were. Bless his little ole heart!!
I guess you have been lucky with the HT.......and maybe the hot flashes
are not as bad as women's. Dunno. I also have a sneaking suspicion
that you wrote this to get a rise out of the few women on
here........grin. Well, it worked!!
XX Heather
Steve Kramer - 30 Oct 2003 11:37 GMT
> I also have a sneaking suspicion
> that you wrote this to get a rise out of the few women on
> here........grin. Well, it worked!!
Yes. And thank you. You made my morning.

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Steve Kramer
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000
PSA .1 .1 .1 .3 .4 .8
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .3 .2 .2 .2 .3
Erection 05/12/2003 @ 48
Begin Lupron 07/21/2003 @ 48
PSA .1
Dave P - 30 Oct 2003 15:24 GMT
Alan,
You researched and made your own decision - that's what really counts. Good
luck with your treatment. Wishing you a <0.1 for life.
Dave P
> I stayed up most of the night reading research reports on
> the web, trying to compare all of the apples in one
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> Thanks are due to Curtis for giving me a little kick in the
> pants on this issue.