My bone and CT scans came back negative (thank God). So, I guess I'll
be going for robotic surgery around mid to late September.
In the meantime, I'm trying to optimize my diet and supplements to give
me the best chance for a good outcome. In addition to my normal
supplements, I've added Zyflamend, Lycopine, pomegranite juice and lots
of soy products.
In searching the web for info, I found two doctors that seem
interesting. One is Ray Sahelian. He has numerous books on herbs and
other supplements. I was wondering if anyone in this group has gotten
any good info from him? He also sells supplements on his web site. I
always worry about the profit motive.
The other doctor is Charles Myers. His web site is
http://www.prostateforum.com. But there is virtually no free info. It
seems you have to pay for anything you get from him. Again, the profit
motive gives me some concern.
Can anyone comment on these doctors?
Thanks.
Claude - 06 Aug 2006 19:40 GMT
"JohnHace" <johnh@amcoex.com> wrote in message
> The other doctor is Charles Myers. His web site is
> http://www.prostateforum.com. But there is virtually no free info. It
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>
> Thanks.
"Snuffy" Myers has lots of fans. He himself has PCa. He is big on
nutrition and supplements....along with othodox treatments. I subscribed
to his newsletter for a year. My impression was that his recommendations had
sound experimental and trial bases. In other words, he is not a quack. And
just as any MD charges for his services, so does Myers. I stopped
subscribing because there was not enough in his newsletters that had
personal relevance to me, and I didnt therefore want to wade through the
sometimes rather technical articles. Hope this helps.
Leonard Evens - 06 Aug 2006 22:05 GMT
> My bone and CT scans came back negative (thank God). So, I guess I'll
> be going for robotic surgery around mid to late September.
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> supplements, I've added Zyflamend, Lycopine, pomegranite juice and lots
> of soy products.
I think each of us has come up with some things that might help and
probably won't hurt. As long as you don't overdose on any supplement,
it is probably harmless.
I take 400 units of Vitamin E (mixed types) and a 200 microgram Selenium
supplement. There is currently a double blind clinical trial underway
to see if this regimen reduces the incidence of prostate cancer, which
means someone has convinced a funding agency that it might work. Even
if it does, it wouldn't necessarily follow that it reduces the
likelihood of recurrence if you have been treated for prostate cancer.
I also try to eat cooked tomato products and I drink lots of grapefruit
juice. Otherwise I don't bother.
> In searching the web for info, I found two doctors that seem
> interesting. One is Ray Sahelian. He has numerous books on herbs and
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>
> Can anyone comment on these doctors?
As Claude told you, Myers is not a quack. But at present, I think all
these guys are guessing. There haven't been ay definitive studies
proving things one way or another.
> Thanks.
Bob Anthony - 06 Aug 2006 22:18 GMT
> Dr. Myers believes that the available evidence indicates that many
> men diagnosed today have cancers that are not going to be cured by
> surgery or radiation therapy. All too often, men undergo these
> procedures only to experience a relapse after a period ranging from
> several months to several years.
And
> The patients most likely to be cured of prostate cancer by radiation
> therapy or surgery have Gleason scores of 6 or lower and a PSA of 10
> or less.
And
> I ruled out watchful waiting for a number of reasons. My life
> expectancy is longer than ten years. I have no other significant
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> radiation therapy. If I let the cancer progress at all, this option
> would disappear.
I don't know, maybe I'm dense or whatever. Is he not contradicting
himself? If Dr. Myers believes that if most men are incurable that are
diagnosed today, then why bother at all?
Should pts with GS scores greater than >6 just go on HT without first
trying either RP or RT since he indicates that they are incurable in the
first place? (I do understand the Partin Tables here in his case).
Dr. Myers has a GS of 7, clinically I may add, and it could be even
higher at pathology. But since he chose RT, he will not know for sure to
which he does admit to. But if he had "let the cancer progress", then he
goes on to state, "what can be successfully treated with surgery or
radiation therapy" may be lost.
I'm having a tough time deciphering to just what he is saying. I'm under
the assumption that Pca that is found today in most of men are indeed
curable due to earlier detection and better treatments.
B.A.
NICK - 06 Aug 2006 22:25 GMT
> My bone and CT scans came back negative (thank God). So, I guess I'll
> be going for robotic surgery around mid to late September.
Good news, and good luck in September.
> In searching the web for info, I found two doctors that seem interesting.
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> Can anyone comment on these doctors?
Do those 2 sites contain more up-to-date/better information than.....
American Cancer Society
American College of Radiation Oncology
Cancer Care Coalition www.cancercarecoalition.org
Cancer Care www.cancercare.org
Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
Male Care www.malecare.com
National Cancer Institute www.cancer.gov
National Institute of Health (NIH)
Prostate Cancer Foundation www.prostatefoundation.org
Seek Well www.seekwellness.com/prostate
Urology Health Org
....without charging a fee or trying to sell you something?
NICK - 06 Aug 2006 22:26 GMT
> My bone and CT scans came back negative (thank God). So, I guess I'll
> be going for robotic surgery around mid to late September.
Good news, and good luck in September.
> In searching the web for info, I found two doctors that seem interesting.
( editted)
> Can anyone comment on these doctors?
Do those 2 sites contain more up-to-date/better information than.....
American Cancer Society
American College of Radiation Oncology
Cancer Care Coalition www.cancercarecoalition.org
Cancer Care www.cancercare.org
Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)
Male Care www.malecare.com
National Cancer Institute www.cancer.gov
National Institute of Health (NIH)
Prostate Cancer Foundation www.prostatefoundation.org
Seek Well www.seekwellness.com/prostate
Urology Health Org
....without charging a fee or trying to sell you something?
Steve Kramer - 07 Aug 2006 02:25 GMT
Don't know what your exercise habits are, but I started walking and got up
to 2 miles in 34 minutes every day before the operation. Built on that
after the operation.

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> My bone and CT scans came back negative (thank God). So, I guess I'll
> be going for robotic surgery around mid to late September.
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>
> Thanks.
glassman - 07 Aug 2006 02:37 GMT
> My bone and CT scans came back negative (thank God). So, I guess I'll
> be going for robotic surgery around mid to late September.
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> supplements, I've added Zyflamend, Lycopine, pomegranite juice and lots
> of soy products.
Go out and eat a big juicy steak John. In my opinion there's no amount of
supplements, vitamins, voodoo, exercise, or mo-jo that will make one bit of
difference. You have PCa. Get your surgery, if its contained and a low
Gleason score, there's a good chance you'll get hit by a truck or die of a
heart attack before the PCa gets you. Again in my opinion, assuming you're
in your 50's like most of us, it's time to live it up and have some fun for
the next 30 or so years. That includes eating well. Eating all the things
you've been depriving yourself of. Even if there was any proof that diet
would extend my life another few months, I wouldn't give up eating what I
want for that brief extension, but hey that's just me.

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dave481 - 10 Aug 2006 02:54 GMT
I agree glassman. A cancer cell is a cancer cell and has to be dealt
with fairly violently I've come to believe. I had an almost 40 PSA. GS
in 9's and 10's. I've had surgery, ADT, RT, and some chemo because of a
colon scare. I truly doubt that any fresh fruits, vegetables, meat or
plutonium is going to change me much. Last PSA was 0.04 though.
In any case John, good luck, enjoy that stuff and BELIEVE. Attitude is
60% of it.
David
p.s. JK, I like your stories
> > My bone and CT scans came back negative (thank God). So, I guess I'll
> > be going for robotic surgery around mid to late September.
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> www.SinrodStudios.com
> www.MyConeyIslandMemories.com
JohnHace - 10 Aug 2006 16:21 GMT
> I agree glassman. A cancer cell is a cancer cell and has to be dealt
> with fairly violently I've come to believe. I had an almost 40 PSA. GS
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>
> David
David,
I'm glad your PSA is so low. I hope you keep it there.
My PSA is 20. My GS is 3+4. 6 of 10 cores positive. So, I just think
some cancer cells may have escaped from the prostate. The bone and CT
scans were negative, but we all know that doesn't mean much.
My hope is my immune system can kill some of the cells, maybe all of
them. If I nourish it sufficiently, it can only improve my odds. Oh
well, I have to drink something. It might as well be pomegranite juice.
:)
And, like you said, attitude is a big thing. Doing this stuff makes me
feel like I'm winning this war. It definitely helps my attitude.
Thanks.
John