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Boney Maroni - 03 Jul 2006 08:51 GMT Pomegranate Juice Helps Keep PSA Levels Stable In Men With Prostate Cancer http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/07/060702084515.htm Drinking an eight ounce glass of pomegranate juice daily increased by nearly four times the period during which PSA levels in men treated for prostate cancer remained stable, a three-year UCLA study has found. The study involved 50 men who had undergone surgery or radiation but quickly experienced increases in prostate-specific antigen or PSA, a biomarker that indicates the presence of cancer. UCLA researchers measured "doubling time," how long it takes for PSA levels to double, a signal that the cancer is progressing, said Dr. Allan Pantuck, an associate professor of urology, a Jonsson Cancer Center researcher and lead author of the study. Doubling time is crucial in prostate cancer, Pantuck said, because patients who have short doubling times are more likely to die from their cancer. The average doubling time is about 15 months. In the UCLA study, Pantuck and his team observed increases in doubling times from 15 months to 54 months, an almost four-fold increase. "That's a big increase. I was surprised when I saw such an improvement in PSA numbers," Pantuck said. "In older men 65 to 70 who have been treated for prostate cancer, we can give them pomegranate juice and it may be possible for them to outlive their risk of dying from their cancer. We're hoping we may be able to prevent or delay the need for other therapies usually used in this population such as hormone treatment or chemotherapy, both of which bring with them harmful side effects." The study appears in the July 1 issue of Clinical Cancer Research, the peer-reviewed journal of the American Association of Cancer Research. "This is not a cure, but we may be able to change the way prostate cancer grows," Pantuck said. "We don't know yet the specific factors behind this response - that's our next step in this research. We want to find out what cell signaling pathways might be affected, what is happening to keep PSA levels stable." Pomegranate juice is known to have anti-inflammatory effects and high levels of anti-oxidants, which are believed to protect the body from free-radical damage. It also contains poly-phenols, natural antioxidant compounds found in green tea, as well as isoflavones commonly found in soy, and ellagic acid, which is believed to play a role in cancer cell death. "There are many substances in pomegranate juice that may be prompting this response," Pantuck said. "We don't know if it's one magic bullet or the combination of everything we know is in this juice. My guess is that it's probably a combination of elements, rather than a single component." The levels of PSA in men immediately following treatement should be undetectable, Pantuck said. If PSA can be detected, it's an indication of an aggressive cancer that is likely to progress. The men in Pantuck's study all had detectable PSA following treatment. Of the 50 men enrolled, more than 80 percent experienced improvement in doubling times. Conventional treatment for men with recurrent prostate cancer includes hormonal therapy, a chemical castration which removes testosterone from the system. Men treated with hormonal therapy can experience hot flashes, osteoporosis, fatigue, depression, muscle wasting, loss of libido and erectile dysfunction. If drinking pomegranate juice can delay or prevent the need for hormonal therapy, patients would experience a better quality of life for a longer time, Pantuck said. The patients in Pantuck's study experienced no side effects and none of the participants had cancers that metastasized during the study. Pantuck, along with UCLA colleagues including Dr. Arie Belldegrun, professor and chief of urologic oncology, and Dr. David Heber, professor and director of the Center for Human Nutrition, first began research on pomegranate juice in prostate cancer about six years ago, conducting preclinical research in cell cultures and in animals. Those studies showed pomegranate juice slowed the growth of prostate cancer, Pantuck said. The data was impressive enough to test pomegranate juice in clinical trials, Pantuck said. To confirm their findings, a larger Phase III study, headed up by UCLA, will be conducted at ten centers across the county. UCLA is the only Southern California center involved in the study. For more information on the Phase III trial, call (310) 825-5538. Pantuck said he has men on the study more than three years out who are not being treated for prostate cancer other than drinking pomegranate juice and their PSA levels continue to be suppressed. "The juice seems to be working," he said.
The study, performed at the Clark Urology Center, was funded by the Stewart and Lynda Resnick Trust. The Resnicks own POM Wonderful, which provided the juice from the Wonderful variety of pomegranate for the study.
Alan Meyer - 03 Jul 2006 15:03 GMT > Pomegranate Juice Helps Keep PSA Levels Stable In Men With Prostate > Cancer [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > nearly four times the period during which PSA levels in men treated for > prostate cancer remained stable, a three-year UCLA study has found. ...
WOW!
Forget the clinic. I'm going to the supermarket.
The study said 80% of men responded to pomegranate juice. So not everyone benefits, but 80% gives each of us favorable odds.
Who knows. Maybe some of us who are counting their remaining years can multiply the count by a factor of 4. Even a factor of 2 or 1.5 is worth a lot of pomegranate juice.
Of course this is one Phase II study on a limited number of men. As I read the article, none of the men were hormone refractory, so if the effect is due to Casodex like changes in testosterone binding, it may be less effective in patients that are already refractory. Or it may even be some statistical anomaly that can't be reproduced.
But what can we lose? A glass of juice each day is can't be bad for our health anyway.
Alan
jack in phoenix - 03 Jul 2006 16:02 GMT The Science Daily article fails to mention some data about the UCLA study, the most important of which was the exclusion of any participants who had a Gleason score greater than 7 before inital surgery or radiation. I was one of those considered for the trial and eliminated because of a Gleason 9. However, anyone with recurrent PCa treated at the Clark Center at UCLA is given a list of supplements to consume, including Lycopene, Selenium, Vitaman E, Green Tea, Soy and Pomegranate juice. You can add al of that to intermittent Casodex for two years, and in my case have a stable PSA of 0.04. How long that will last is still anybody's guess, but it's a lot better than the alternatives.
Jack in Phoenix
> Pomegranate Juice Helps Keep PSA Levels Stable In Men With Prostate > Cancer [quoted text clipped - 78 lines] > provided the juice from the Wonderful variety of pomegranate for the > study. Steve Kramer - 03 Jul 2006 19:00 GMT Hey, Jack! Long time no hear. Last I recall, about 1½ years ago, you're PSA was rising and you were back on the Casodex. How have things been since?
 Signature PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06, 6/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 .145 Non Illegitimi Carborundum
> The Science Daily article fails to mention some data about the UCLA > study, the most important of which was the exclusion of any [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] >> provided the juice from the Wonderful variety of pomegranate for the >> study. Bob C - 06 Jul 2006 19:20 GMT Steve, I have just returned from a two week Alaska vacation (which also signals the beginning of my retirement) and just last night I read the results of your recent psa test. (I see that there are getting to be a number of Bobs on here, I'm the one who kinda parallels your path.) I have been waiting to see what your new reading would be. I'm glad to see that your rate of growth is still very slow. Now if it would only remain that slow. I could maybe even live a fairly long time with my psa growth rate, if it stayed where it is now. Have you been taking this pomengranite juice? I started taking it some time ago, but not religiously as I suspected that this was just another gimick which would soon fade into the past, but for the little cost involved, who wants to take a chance. The 27% stuff tastes pretty good and of course it's due to the sugars. The "pure" stuff tastes like something you'd really have to believe in to take it more than once. Our doctors have different paths they want us to follow. Yours is asking for Casodex, mine is letting me go off the Lupron (briefly? for QOL) and watching the readings for a bit. We are going to skip the July injection and then check the psa again in three months. When it begins to climb more quickly, then he'll put me back on the Lupron plus something else in the way of secondary hormone treatment or one of the chemo's now in use. So much seems to be happening right now, so many new things that may or may not work, it's hard to keep up. But it's hard to just sit back and hope that your doctor is doing his research and is keeping up. I will probably ask for second opinions this next time around, and perhaps get together with a VA expert as well to see what they recommend. From the newsgroup posts, it does not sound like the SE's from Casodex alone are too terrible, maybe not as bad as the SE's from Lupron? Put them together and I do not know, but it still does not sound like the end of the world. You do not hear of this or that treatment being THE ONE that works, that stops the beast. Just lots of trying this and that with various degrees of success which are hard to gage. Too many what-ifs. This pomengranite thing could be huge-------could be. Could be the biggest thing to come down the pike in decades. Or it could be another bust, another way to spend money and get hopes up. Again, glad to see that you are still "blessed" with a very slow psa growth rate. With that in mind, I hope we continue to parallel each other even more closely in the future!
>>> Drinking an eight ounce glass of pomegranate juice daily increased by >>> nearly four times the period during which PSA levels in men treated for >>> prostate cancer remained stable, a three-year UCLA study has found.
I.P. Freely - 03 Jul 2006 18:53 GMT > Doubling time is crucial in prostate cancer, Pantuck said, because > patients who have short doubling times are more likely to die from > their cancer. Yet a big study posted here a week or two ago found that PSA DT is not a significant factor . . . and 'round and 'round we go . . . again.
> The average doubling time is about 15 months. In the UCLA > study, Pantuck and his team observed increases in doubling times from > 15 months to 54 months, an almost four-fold increase. Saw Palmetto also suppresses PSA . . . thus hiding any cancer's progress. Is that what's going on here?
> We want > to find out what cell signaling pathways might be affected, what is > happening to keep PSA levels stable." i.e., "Is that what's going on here?"
> Pomegranate juice is known to have anti-inflammatory effects and high > levels of anti-oxidants, which are believed to protect the body from > free-radical damage. Many big studies keep blowing that thesis out of the water, right up through last week.
> The study, performed at the Clark Urology Center, was funded by the
> Stewart and Lynda Resnick Trust. The Resnicks own POM Wonderful, which > provided the juice from the Wonderful variety of pomegranate for the > study. Oh, what the hell? Who ELSE is going to fund these studies? I'm slightly more suspicious of doctoring than of bias.
OTOH . . . what pomegranate juice is best, and who carries it?
I.P.
Boney Maroni - 04 Jul 2006 03:05 GMT > > Pomegranate juice is known to have anti-inflammatory effects and high > > levels of anti-oxidants, which are believed to protect the body from > > free-radical damage. > > Many big studies keep blowing that thesis out of the water, right up > through last week. What thesis? anti-inflammatory? anti-oxidants? Please cite references or the posts.
> OTOH . . . what pomegranate juice is best, and who carries it? > > I.P. All the studies have been done with POM Wonderful 100% Pomegranate Juice. Most major supermarket carry it in their refrigerated section.
I.P. Freely - 04 Jul 2006 05:34 GMT > In article <mOcqg.23$BZ1.3@fe06.lga>, I.P. Freely
>>> Pomegranate juice is known to have anti-inflammatory effects and high >>> levels of anti-oxidants, which are believed to protect the body from >>> free-radical damage.
>> Many big studies keep blowing that thesis out of the water, right up >> through last week. > > What thesis? anti-inflammatory? anti-oxidants? Oops, you're right: antioxidants and their cancer-fighting theories.
> Please cite references or the posts. Surely that's not necessary now that I clarified my comment.
> All the studies have been done with POM Wonderful 100% Pomegranate > Juice. Yes . . . because they paid for the studies. But it does raise a related question: what "dosage", or pomegranate juice concentration, is relevant? Langer now offers four different pomegranate juice cocktail blends, including such other ingredients as blueberry juice and cranberry juice. The problem: their first non-water ingredient is the ubiquitous, highly suspicious high fructose corn syrup we're advised to avoid or at least minimize.
I.P.
Boney Maroni - 04 Jul 2006 17:47 GMT > > In article <mOcqg.23$BZ1.3@fe06.lga>, I.P. Freely > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > what "dosage", or pomegranate juice concentration, is relevant? Always seems to be eight ounces daily.
> Langer now offers four different pomegranate juice cocktail > blends, including such other ingredients as blueberry juice and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I.P. Then that is a brand to avoid. Anything less than 100% Pomegranate Juice would be considered adulterated for clinical purposes. Here in the NYC area I am also seeing imported Russian product. Suspicious because the labeling is inadequate. You're certainly right about HFCS.
I.P. Freely - 04 Jul 2006 19:28 GMT > I.P. asked >> what "dosage", or pomegranate juice concentration, is relevant? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Anything less than 100% Pomegranate > Juice would be considered adulterated for clinical purposes. Well, the cranberry juice trials were conducted or optimized at something like 27%, so the supermarket cranberry juice cocktails contain . . . ta daaa . . . 27%. I noticed that my new bottle of pomegranate juice contains the same magical 27% . . . right behind the HFCS.
> You're certainly right about HFCS. Yeah, but are the admonitions based on experience, blind fear of reversing the sugar molecule spiral, or simply on some people's fructose digestion problems?
I.P.
MAP - 05 Jul 2006 02:21 GMT > > OTOH . . . what pomegranate juice is best, and who carries it? > > > > I.P. > > All the studies have been done with POM Wonderful 100% Pomegranate > Juice. Most major supermarket carry it in their refrigerated section. I buy POM or Naked brand. If you find 100% juice too "strong" for your taste buds, try mixing it with orange juice or carrot juice (just try it, before some of you say "yuk"!). I prefer to mix it with one of the other juices rather than buy the pre-mixed varieties by POM.
Alan Meyer - 04 Jul 2006 19:10 GMT > ... > > The average doubling time is about 15 months. In the UCLA [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > going on here? > ... I researched this once and found three studies on Pubmed where PSA was measured before and after a course of saw palmetto. Not one of the studies showed any change in PSA. I didn't find any studies that showed that there was a change in PSA.
I posted the references for this in this newgroup in reply to the subject "PSA and Saw Palmetto". See: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.cancer.prostate/msg/04c757d6c9af7aba
Perhaps saw palmetto will reduce prostatitis and therefore reduce elevated PSA due to prostatitis. But, to my knowledge, there's no evidence that it reduces normal PSA or PSA due to prostate cancer.
Alan
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