New readers start here:
I joined this group in early 2002, after being diagnosed with PCa. PSA
in December 2001 was 704, and after a biopsy on 22 december, my Gleason
score turned out to be 3+4=7.
My urologist started me on Zoladex, and Flutamide, and until November
last, I was getting regular implants of Zoladex.
I had all the usual symptoms and side effects, particularly urinary
frequency, and the infamous hot flushes, mood swings etc - manopause
really rocks, eh??
Well, 4 years down the track my urologist decided that we really needed
a TURP. Things had been slowing down steadily, and although the PSA had
fallen very sharply, down to 1.8, in fact, it was now rising again.
Just before Christmas I had a TURP, coupled with a bilateral orchidectomy.
Once the swelling went down it was fine, and the district nurse's
regular visits made a huge difference, but I did return to the hospital
ED a couple of times, partly being a wimp, and partly because i had some
genuine concerns. I mean, if they cut THEM off, where's all that
swelling coming from???
They were very helpful and sympathetic, even if they DID perform an
attempted aspiration of the scrotum under local anaesthetic!! That
bloody hurt, and all they managed to find was my Central Nervous System!!
For the first couple of weeks I was peeing like the proverbial horse,
but then things began to tail off rapidly.
I was taking Hytrin, to improve the flow, and Oxybutinin to prevent spasms.
I wound up being catheterized three times (apart from in surgical
recovery). The first two were bad enough - acute (and total) retention
led me to my local A&E doctor in February, and again a few weeks later,
although the second time was at 4 am, and necessitated an ambulance ride
to hospital.
During the first catheterisation after discharge I was badly troubled by
spasming, and lots of leakage from around the catheter. Quite
embarrassing, and used up an awful lot of pads. (We use and recommend
Tena for Men)
Finally, on 8th May, I took myself in to the main city hospital at 2:30
am, where they tried no less than 4 times (and I think 5) to insert a
catheter which collapsed inside the prostate each time. VERY, VERY
painful!!!!!
In the end I wound up with a Supra-pubic catheter, which was basically
pushed in through the abdomen and into the bladder. That was a very
strange sensation, I can tell you, and took a while to come to terms
with, but I've got the hang of it now.
Care and maintenance is fairly simple - I shower daily, and clean the
wound site thoroughly. I often, but not invariably, fit a dressing
around the tube, but lately I've picked up a rash from the tape, so i've
stopped that for the time being.
During the day a certain amount of discharge forms a crust around the
site, and some adheres to the tube. The tube goes in and out an inch or
more (ugh!), and sometimes the crust grabs the odd pubic hair, which
makes things a little sharp.
Also there is some discomfort when the crust on the tube tries to pop
down the hole. There's a high risk of infection, and already I've been
on two courses of antibiotics, which isn't exactly ideal. To reduce the
chance of infection I am banned from taking a bath, which I would dearly
love.
I've stopped the Hytrin, which gave me considerable trouble at Easter,
when I collapsed whilst pushing father-in-law around in his wheelchair,
and also discontinued the Oxybutinin, as it didn't seem to do much for
the spasms.
In fact I get frequent spasms now, but at the tip of my penis, as though
I was about to really let fly, yet nothing happens. However, I do pass
the odd few drops of urine, as well as some odd spots of other
discharge, and have voided quite freely on a few occasions.
However, it was clear to me in May, when they did a flexible cystoscopy,
that the urethra was badly blocked, and a repeat TURP is highly unlikely
to eventuate, even though a *cunning plan* was devised to enable one.
So - this brings us up to date, and allows me to explain the title.
My prostate is badly swollen, and has for some time affected my bowels
as well as my bladder. Bowel motions are frequently like sheep
droppings, and the whole process is rather like squeezing toothpaste.
When I sit, it feels like I have a pineapple up my rear end.
But here's the good news...
Today I went for a *mark-up* at Rad-Oncology, and on Thursday they begin
10 sessions of radiotherapy, with a view to shrinking the prostate for
my personal comfort. I'll be supporting that with a course of
Cyproterone, and I hope it'll do some good.
I'm pretty tired a lot of the time - I notice that almost every
medication is marked *May cause drowsiness* - and it's good that I was
able to retire at Easter 2005, although that doesn't mean I've sat on my
hands since then.
So here we are... PSA is probably over 200 now, having climbed very
rapidly over the last 9 months, but i'm still functioning. my sense of
humour is still very good, although i do get a little stressed now and
them. My wife is coping extraordinarily well, given that her mother,
who lives with us, is suffering from Congestive Heart Failures, and
frequently needs an ambulance to Hospital.
I've totally accepted my situation, and am coming to terms with a number
of things, including the likelihood that i won't make my school's 50th
anniversary, but then, who knows??
I'll give it a go...
Regards,
Jolly John
I.P. Freely - 27 Jun 2006 17:12 GMT
> New readers start here:
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> My urologist started me on Zoladex, and Flutamide, and until November
> last, I was getting regular implants of Zoladex.
Just one question, John: What are you doing about your CANCER? Right now
you're just layering SEs on it with no attempts to CURE it. Is there
something I've missed about your case that precludes cancer treatment
(most names and the vast majority of histories fade from my memory quickly)?
I.P.
John - 27 Jun 2006 23:01 GMT
Hello IPF - love the nickname.... :)
I probably skipped a couple of things, since I ended up writing at 2 a.m...
I'm stage T4, or thereabouts, and this is one reason why they didn't
whip the prostate out 4 years ago.
The reading of the biopsy (aka *getting my fortune told*) said
*Active-aggressive*.
Bone scan showed that there was cancer everywhere except my arms.
As I see it I'm not curable - the best I can do is manage the symptoms.
So far, so good.
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I.P. Freely - 30 Jun 2006 00:01 GMT
> Hello IPF - love the nickname.... :)
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> So far, so good.
Ahhh, yes . . . that helps considerably. But, still . . . DAMN! Whether
you want 'em or not, you have our sympathies.
I.P.
John - 04 Jul 2006 02:32 GMT
Thanks IP...
After 3 of my scheduled 10 radiation therapies, I'm starting to note
some changes, and there is some increase in *pineapple comfort*, and
associated bowel movements which pleases me. However, I know the full
effect (or otherwise) of the treatment won't be felt until afterwards.
Setting small targets is my present aim, and my main focus is on
managing my supra-pubic catheter (SPC), which was a pretty gruesome
thing to me when I first had it fitted (May 8th).
All in all it's not so bad - more later God willing...
>> Hello IPF - love the nickname.... :)
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> I.P.
Alan Meyer - 27 Jun 2006 20:13 GMT
John,
It sounds like you've really been through the mill with all this.
You're a brave man to face it all and still keep up some good
cheer. I salute you.
Are you considering either 1) chemotherapy or 2) clinical
trials of new therapies?
Here's a link to the U.S. National Cancer Institute technical
web page on recurrent (hormone refractory) PCa:
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/treatment/prostate/HealthProfessional/page9
The standard chemotherapy seems to be docetaxel. It's
effectiveness varies greatly from individual to individual. Some
men have hardly any response to it, some have good response.
Most men seem to average a few additional months of life,
sometimes with a better quality of life during that period than
they would otherwise experience.
There are also some experimental treatments. To search
for clinical trials in the U.S. trials database, see:
http://www.cancer.gov/search/clinicaltrials/
I don't know what is available in New Zealand, or what
your ability is to travel. The chance of a clinical trial actually
helping you is very limited, but there is a chance, and they
usually do provide access to very knowledgeable medical
experts who can often give you better advice and treatment
than the local docs can.
My own health seems to be under control at the moment. When
I thought it was not, I spent extra time organizing family photos
and old diary entries, and writing down thoughts that I wanted to
leave with my wife and children. It's something that we
sometimes want to do but never get around to.
I wish the very best to you and your family.
Alan
Steve Jordan - 27 Jun 2006 21:14 GMT
On June 27, Alan Meyer wrote, in pertinent part:
> The standard chemotherapy seems to be docetaxel. It's [sic]
> effectiveness varies greatly from individual to individual. Some
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> they would otherwise experience.
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That "few additional months" is a common misconception. The *median*
survival of the patients on docetaxel was around 18 months. This means
that just as many patients survived for >18 months as did not. And QOL
was on the whole improved.
Moreover and more important, my med onc and I looked into this and
concluded that the patients were, as she put it, "on their last legs."
They presented with AIPC and increasing PSAs and progressive metastases.
They knew that they were doomed, but agreed to participate in the
studies anyway. All honor to those courageous men, on whose shoulders
those of us who need chemo now stand.
The Oncologist Magazine published a thorough review of the two trials
that led to approval of docetaxel, SWOG 9916 and TAX 327, in its October
2005 issue. See:
http://theoncologist.alphamedpress.org/cgi/content/full/10/suppl_3/30/T1
or
http://tinyurl.com/qja4m
My take-home lesson was this: the patient should not wait to begin a
docetaxel regimen until he has deteriorated to a desperate condition.
And here is my point: one should not take the "few additional months"
story as absolute fact, inevitably applicable one's individual case.
As usual, PCa studies are complex and sometimes difficult.
Regards,
Steve J
"There is NOWHERE in oncology where waiting for the tumor cell
population to increase (and to mutate) is in the better interests of the
patient."
-- Stephen B. Strum, MD