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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / July 2006holy crap - rush limbaugh got caught again with drugs - his viagra
Rush Limbaugh detained at airport over Viagra Conservative radio show host Rush Limbaugh was detained for more than three hours after a bottle of prescription drugs is found in his luggage. BY CASEY WOODS cwoods@MiamiHerald.com A Customs inspector going through the baggage of conservative radio show host Rush Limbaugh on Monday afternoon found 29 small blue tablets -- a supply of the impotence drug Viagra. Trouble is, the name on the bottle wasn't Limbaugh. ''Limbaugh said it was for his own personal use and that the name on it was his doctor's,'' said Sgt. Pete Palenzuela, a spokesman for the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office. Possession of drugs prescribed to someone else is a second-degree misdemeanor. Limbaugh, 55, arrived on a private plane at Palm Beach International Airport from the Dominican Republic at 2 p.m. U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents discovered the drug while making a routine inspection of his bags. The agents turned the investigation over to deputies from the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office. ''He was totally cooperative with the investigation,'' said Paul Miller, a spokesman for the sheriff's office. ``At this point, we will send it over to the state attorney´s office to determine if charges will be filed.´´ The 29 pills were confiscated and are being held by the sheriff's office. Limbaugh was detained for more than three hours but was not arrested. ''The last thing we want to do is violate someone's constitutional rights by making a physical arrest when we shouldn't,'' Palenzuela said. A doctor had prescribed the drug, but it was ''labeled as being issued to the physician rather than Mr. Limbaugh for privacy purposes,'' Roy Black, Limbaugh's attorney, said in a statement, according to The Associated Press. Limbaugh was arrested on prescription fraud charges in April, and is bound by the terms of a deal he cut with prosecutors that dismissed those charges and allowed him to plead not guilty as long as he fulfilled certain conditions, such as random drug tests. A new charge could jeopardize that deal, said Palm Beach State Attorney's office spokesman Mike Edmondson. Limbaugh admitted on the air in 2003 that he was addicted to painkillers after a housekeeper at his Palm Beach mansion alleged he abused OxyContin and other painkillers. Prosecutors launched a three-year investigation into accusations that Limbaugh engaged in ''doctor shopping,'' meaning he deceived multiple doctors to obtain overlapping prescriptions. Authorities said Limbaugh had obtained up to 2,000 painkillers prescribed by four doctors within six months. Limbaugh completed a five-week drug rehabilitation program in 2003. Last month, Limbaugh cut a deal with prosecutors that would dismiss the prescription fraud charges in 18 months if he continued treatment for his painkiller addiction, submitted to random drug tests, and did not own a gun. He did not, however, have to admit guilt. knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc Curtis, I wonder if ol Rush has had a dre lately or a psa test. He MUST have ed. I've had a stuffy nose and a head ache vrom Viagra, but never got a buzz out of it. Rush would NEED it for SOME reason I guess. He sure is acting stupid, given his notoriety and record, trying to bring ANY prescription drug into the country that is not backed up and, blue blacked papered and gold bonded in his name. David > Rush Limbaugh detained at airport over Viagra > [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." > http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc What an infuriating crock. Think anybody'd give a damn if, say, the NYT revealed classified efforts to catch Al Qaeda via their money trail, it was Jabba the Kennedy who had been caught carrying woody pills, or terrorists very slowly ripped two captured U.S. soldiers apart piece by piece? I.P. From: fuhgheddaboutit@noway.nohow (I.P. Freely) What an infuriating crock. Think anybody'd give a damn if, say, the NYT revealed classified efforts to catch Al Qaeda via their money trail, it was Jabba the Kennedy who had been caught carrying woody pills, or terrorists very slowly ripped two captured U.S. soldiers apart piece by piece? I.P. ======== hi I.P. - thought it would get a rise out of ya.. :)) you are exactly right on what you said. the news media spot light have way too much time on their hands. funny, how the NYT can come across this money trail, but for all these years and as many of news reporters there are out there in the field and the financial resources of the major news agencies, that nobody can find "ole bin". remember when the u.s. was going to do some secret exercises of invading about 10 years ago and the news cameras were already set up at the invasion location and were turned on - blinding the soldiers with lights as they came ashore? also, the u.s. couldn't find the leader of the uprising, and the news reporters were having interviews with him. but we can find some viagra........ so, it guess it just goes to show that viagra isn't the only thing that can make life hard on people - huh? ~ curtis knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc > What an infuriating crock. Think anybody'd give a damn if, say, the NYT > revealed classified efforts to catch Al Qaeda via their money trail, it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I.P. Uhh ... I.P., didja miss the media frenzy when Democratic Congressman Patrick Kennedy followed family tradition by playing bumper cars with security barriers in his Mustang, and later getting stopped for DUI? Rush has every right to buy and use Vitamin V. But this is a guy who claims to stand for law, order and morality, who declared "if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up," (10/5/95) and who, when Jerry Garcia OD'd, dismissed him as "another dead drug addict." Rush enlisted the help of twice-convicted drug runner David Cline so he could buy junkie-quantity supplies (30,000 pills) of hydrocodone, Lorcet and OxyConti. In Florida, that qualified Rush for a five-year prison sentence (as a USER, not as a pusher.) To pay for his drugs, Rush cleverly evaded banking laws by making 30 to 40 cash withdrawals from U.S. Bank of just under the $10,000 threshhold that would have trigged reports to banking authorities. That alone could have triggered money-laundering charges. And now, apparently being a rather slow study of U.S. drug laws despite being under 18 months of court supervision, Rush has prescription drugs issued to his doctor, not to him. But when one of the most famous media celebrities in America yet again trips over drug laws, it really is unfair that the elitist, left-leaning news media pays attention. Wait -- morality alert! Rush is now single. What's he doing with a bottle of Viagra -- especially en route home from a "vacation" in the Dominican Republic, a renowned destination in the sex tourism trade? It's stuff like this, from both sides of the political spectrum, that makes it fun waking up in the morning. Alex > Uhh ... I.P., didja miss the media frenzy when Democratic Congressman > Patrick Kennedy followed family tradition by playing bumper cars with > security barriers in his Mustang, and later getting stopped for DUI? I saw him skate, for all intents and purposes; just like the Kennedys nearly always do until they kill someone... oops! even then. > Rush has every right to buy and use Vitamin V. And, I suspect the doctor had a right to give him Viagra. I just got some Diovan samples from mine. > But this is a guy who claims to stand for law, order and morality, who > declared "if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be > accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up," > (10/5/95) Rush is right! > and who, when Jerry Garcia OD'd, dismissed him as "another dead drug > addict." Rush is right! > Rush enlisted the help of twice-convicted drug runner David Cline so he > could buy junkie-quantity supplies (30,000 pills) of hydrocodone, Lorcet > and OxyConti. In Florida, that qualified Rush for a five-year prison > sentence (as a USER, not as a pusher.) You are right! > To pay for his drugs, Rush cleverly evaded banking laws by making 30 to 40 > cash withdrawals from U.S. Bank of just under the $10,000 threshhold that > would have trigged reports to banking authorities. That alone could have > triggered money-laundering charges. Actually, it's "Structuring", but you are right again! > And now, apparently being a rather slow study of U.S. drug laws despite > being under 18 months of court supervision, Rush has prescription drugs > issued to his doctor, not to him. > But when one of the most famous media celebrities in America yet again > trips over drug laws, it really is unfair that the elitist, left-leaning > news media pays attention. This is where we part. It was Viagra! He wasn't avoiding the law; he was avoiding the embarassment of filling a prescription for Viagra! He obviously doesn't believe pharmacists in West Palm Beach conform to HIPPA. > Wait -- morality alert! Rush is now single. What's he doing with a bottle > of Viagra -- especially en route home from a "vacation" in the Dominican > Republic, a renowned destination in the sex tourism trade? He's probably dipping his wick. About what I would expect from a 4-time divorcee. on the nightly news, they showed a segment where rush limbaugh was poking fun at himself on his talk show. his comments...... i got them from the clinton library. they said that they were the blue m & m's..... knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc People, the issue was not that he had a prescription drug on him but that the bottle showed that it was prescribed to someone else! I'm not familiar w/ the drug laws but I think that is a real problem. He had a reasonable explanation but I don't know that that excuses the violation. Bill Denton RP 2/12/02 PSA .93 Memphis > People, the issue was not that he had a prescription drug on him but > that the bottle showed that it was prescribed to someone else! I'm not [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > PSA .93 > Memphis If the doctor confirms his story, which I expect will happen, then no foul. j. > > People, the issue was not that he had a prescription drug on him but > > that the bottle showed that it was prescribed to someone else! I'm not [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > j. Maybe no prosecution (that's up to a prosecutor), but it is still illegal. > Maybe no prosecution (that's up to a prosecutor), but it is still > illegal. I have a few relatives in medicine and their contention is that pharmacists and doctors can pretty much do what they want so long as they are not feeding an addiction. That would explain why he wasn't charged. Steve wrote: >I have a few relatives in medicine and > their contention is that pharmacists and > doctors can pretty much do what they > want so long as they are not feeding an > addiction. >That would explain why he wasn't > charged. The label on my pescription bottle (for Lovastatin) says: "CAUTION: Federal law PROHIBITS the transfer of this drug to any person other that the patient for whom it was prescribed." Sounds to me that if it was prescribed for the doctor and given to Rush, a law was broken and a criminal act was committed. He probably will not be charged because he's Rush Limbaugh. Not because he's innocent. Cheers Lee O. > The label on my pescription bottle (for Lovastatin) says: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > he's innocent. > Hello? Hello? Can you read/understand the English language? According to Lee, the law prohibits *transfer of the drug*. There is not an iota of evidence that *Limbaugh* transferred the Viagra to anyone. What statute, not political sensibility, but STATUTE has Limbaugh transgressed? So far as I can see, none. THAT is the reason not to charge him. Re: Lovastatin, it's an anti-cholesterol medication. So is Lipitor, a medication I'm taking. There is no warning such as Lee cites on the label of my medication. I am in no doubt that Lee would love to see Limbaugh punished for something -- anything -- maybe being politically incorrect according to Lee's notions. And, kids, that's the true reason for all the hyperventilating. Regards, Steve J "I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do." --Professor Bernardo de la Paz > > The label on my pescription bottle (for Lovastatin) says: > > "CAUTION: Federal law PROHIBITS the transfer of this drug to any person [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > transgressed? So far as I can see, none. THAT is the reason not to > charge him. A. The drug was not prescribed to Rush. B. Rush was in possession of the drug and admitted he was using it. C. The drug somehow transferred from the prescribee to Rush. D. The quote above is not clear as to who is in violation of the law. I would guess both transferer and transferee. E. Rush will have no consequences, I'm sure. It's just the principle of the thing that he believes he is above or beyond the law. > A. The drug was not prescribed to Rush. Yes, it was, by his physician. > B. Rush was in possession of the drug and admitted he was using it. I've tried it, too. So what? > C. The drug somehow transferred from the prescribee to Rush. Uh, yes . . . as in HE GAVE IT TO HIM, as he is legally authorized to do. My doc gave me a sample of them with no paperwork at all, legally and openly. It's VIAGRA, not freaking uncut heroin, for God's sake. Non-narcotic drugs are very often prescribed in the physicians's name for patient privacy, according to medical and legal professionals interviewed in the media. > D. The quote above is not clear as to who is in violation of the law. Exactly why people shouldn't be convicted in the press or in some truly stupid internet discussion. > I would guess . . . Oh, now THAT'LL set the supreme court on its keister! > E. Rush will have no consequences, I'm sure. It's just the principle > of the thing that he believes he is above or beyond the law. GUILTY! He's GUILTY!!!! Screw the facts and laws . . . he's GUILTY because . . . because . . . he's a public figure, or a right winger, or on parole, or hooked on painkillers because of intractible spinal pain, or whatever. And where did he say he was above the law? Not only did he say just the opposite, but the ACLU, who hates his conservative guts, has offered their services because in their opinion his treatment by the police and the courts in the Oxycontin case was highly irregular, illegal, and invasive. What an asinine thread. I'm disgusted with myself for even looking at it, but I don't often get a chance to confront people who convict others without knowing much of anything about a case. So tell us, Laurel, was it really John Wilkes Booth who was captured after Lincoln was shot, or someone else? And where is Jimmy Hoffa? And did Scott Peterson REALLY kill his wife? And OHMYGOD WHO KILLED THAT BLONDE ALABAMA KID IN ARUBA? WHO GIVES A FLYING FRICK?, WHAT THE HELL DO OUR OPINIONS MATTER?, AND WE LOOK LIKE IDIOTS EVEN COMMENTING ON THE CASE, especially since our "facts" come from the damned MEDIA. I.P. [ snip] > Exactly why people shouldn't be convicted in the press or in some truly > stupid internet discussion. [ snip ] > WHO GIVES A FLYING FRICK?, WHAT THE HELL DO OUR OPINIONS MATTER?, AND WE > LOOK LIKE IDIOTS EVEN COMMENTING ON THE CASE, especially since our "facts" > come from the damned MEDIA. > > I.P. Oh, Lord, it must be Armageddon, The End of Days, because the press, the damned MEDIA, andI.P. are actually in agreement. A story in The Florida Sentinal indicates that neither Limbaugh's physicians nor Limbaugh's testicles are likely to wind up in handcuffs: Asked about Limbaugh's doctors, county state attorney spokesman Michael Edmondson said criminal law allows physicians to write a prescription in a name other than the patient's as long as everyone involved is aware, and the doctor documents it as being for the use of the patient. A spokeswoman for the state's various medical professional boards declined to comment on whether the actions by Limbaugh's doctors or pharmacist violated Florida's separate civil [note: CIVIL] rules for medical professionals. The medical boards can impose disciplinary actions ranging from warning letters to fines to revoking licenses. "The department is aware of it and we'll have more information on that later," board spokeswoman Thometta Cozart said. However, the three professionals said state civil rules forbid doctors from prescribing drugs without a name or under a third person's name, as a way to prevent people from passing medicine to others. "That would be considered a fraudulent prescription," said Lisette Gonzalez Mariner, a spokeswoman for the Florida Medical Association, the trade group for doctors. "You cannot do that. It's not commonly done and that's illegal." Likewise, pharmacists cannot dispense drugs to someone other than the name on the prescription label or their representative, said attorney Edwin Bayo, a former general counsel of the Florida Board of Pharmacy licensing board. Doctors can sell medicine directly from their offices if they have a special license, but they must follow the same rule about labels, Bayo said. Also, physicians who give patients free samples of medicine are supposed to put the patient's name on the label, Bayo said, but "99.9 percent of doctors in Florida do not do that." The three professionals said they never had heard of a doctor or pharmacist disciplined for issuing medicine under a false name, and went on to say Limbaugh's doctors could have shielded his name through legal means -- such as speaking only to the pharmacist or covering the label with a blank piece of paper. "You don't have to bring your Viagra bottle when you leave town," Grossman said. Alex >> > The label on my pescription bottle (for Lovastatin) says: >> > "CAUTION: Federal law PROHIBITS the transfer of this drug to any person >> > other that the patient for whom it was prescribed." > A. The drug was not prescribed to Rush. > B. Rush was in possession of the drug and admitted he was using it. > C. The drug somehow transferred from the prescribee to Rush. > D. The quote above is not clear as to who is in violation of the law. > I would guess both transferer and transferee. Theoretically, the law can leave no doubt about such things. If someone is to lose one's liberty, the law must be very specifically worded to disallow all but a few excepted practices; then very specifically worded for the exceptions. In this case, I think you will find that the law is so extensive that it would not fit on a label. > E. Rush will have no consequences, I'm sure. It's just the principle > of the thing that he believes he is above or beyond the law. He is an arrogant SOB. But, that's not against the law either. Steve J. wrote: >According to Lee, the law prohibits > *transfer of the drug*. There is not an [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > So far as I can see, none. THAT is the > reason not to charge him. Steve, the Viagra prescription was not written for Limbaugh, but for his doctor. It was illegally transferred TO Limbaugh. Nothing political about it. Limbaugh is on record that all drug offenders should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Duh. Cheers Lee O. On July 3, Lee O. replied to me: > Steve, the Viagra prescription was not written for Limbaugh, but for his > doctor. It was illegally transferred TO Limbaugh. Nothing political [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Duh. > According to my handy-dandy law dictionary: "Transfer: Used in its most comprehensive sense, the word means every means and manner by which property can pass *from* the ownership and possession of one person *to* the ownership and possession of another, either by act of the parties or by operation of law." (emphasis added) My points have not been answered. Duh indeed. Regards, Steve J PS: This thread is obviously politically motivated and has absolutely no relevance to prostate cancer, its diagnosis, its treatment, nor its natural history. I will waste no more of my precious (to me) time on it. Independence Day: "Contemplate the mangled bodies of your countrymen, and then say, 'What should be the reward of such sacrifices?' Bid us and our posterity bow the knee, supplicate the friendship, and plough, and sow, and reap, to glut the avarice of the men who have let loose on us the dogs of war to riot in our blood and hunt us from the face of the earth? If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude (more) than the animating contest of freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!" --Samuel Adams to the British loyalists Steve J. wrote: <snip> >This thread is obviously politically > motivated and has absolutely no >relevance to prostate cancer, its > diagnosis, its treatment, nor its natural > history. <snip> That's true Steve, and a happy 4th to you and yours. My whole complaint with the focus of this thread is that I do not understand why we even have prescriptions written to a particular patient if anyone can "transfer" the Rx to anyone else. If there is nothing illegal intended, why not write the Rx for the intended party? Why even go through this rigmarole? Cheers Lee O. > If there is > nothing illegal intended, why not write the Rx for the intended party? If you don't know the answer to that, you've not been watching the news. If you've not been watching the news, of what value is your opinion on the case and how on earth can you say he's guilty? So far the only thing we know he's guilty of is being a right winger. I.P. I am a lawyer but this is not my area of expertise so I claim no special knowledge of this. However, I do generally understand criminal laws and how laws are generally drafted and are applied. I did do a little research into Fla. law and this is my take on it: 1. Just like a drivers' license, a gun permit, a voter card, etc., police and regulatory officers must be able to rely on the name on such instrument as presumptive proof of whom the instrument has been issued. You just cannot have these types of things in fictitious names - think about the impossibility of regulation when you have to look behind the face of the instrument to know what it really is. ("Officer, this drivers' license is really mine - I just had it put in a different name because my name, Osama, might be embarrasing.") 2. Legend or prescription drugs may only be possessed by the person to whom they were prescribed. (exceptions for samples) 3. A pharmacist may not knowingly deliver a legend drug to a person to whom it has not been prescribed. The name on the label must be of that person. There is no "embarrasment" exception. 4. Possession of a legend drug prescribed to another person is a second degree misdemeanor under Fla. law and is punishable by jail time up to 60 days. Don't even start w/ this "But it was REALLY prescribed to him." That is no defense. But it is an explanation and shows lack of criminal intent, so there will probably be no prosecution. However, it may be a violation of the terms of his diversion, which barred him from violating any drug laws, and the 2 doctors and possibly pharmacist could be in trouble too. I don't care that this is Rush other than the fact that I love it when any sanctimonious person is caught w/ his hand in the cookie jar. Such circumstances give them insights they might not otherwise have. Bill Denton RP 2/12/02 JD 8/18/85 PSA .93 Memphis > I am a lawyer but this is not my area of expertise so I claim no > special knowledge of this. However, I do generally understand criminal > laws and how laws are generally drafted and are applied. I did do a > little research into Fla. law and this is my take on it: Holy Crap! Some FACTS! THANK you, Bill. I.P. >> I am a lawyer but this is not my area of expertise so I claim no >> special knowledge of this. However, I do generally understand criminal [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I.P. Damn it, Bill, when you throw in facts, research and expertise, you mess up a perfectly good, pointless and entertaining political debate! Happy 4th, and happy .93. Alex > Damn it, Bill, when you throw in facts, research and expertise, you mess up > a perfectly good, pointless and entertaining political debate! Good timing, too. I was about to vent on the politicization of every darn little thing that comes along, and nobody (but me) needs that. ;-) I.P. > I am a lawyer but this is not my area of expertise so I claim no > special knowledge of this. However, I do generally understand criminal [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > second degree misdemeanor under Fla. law and is punishable by jail time > up to 60 days. Another little problem: Florida law expressly allows a doctor to issue a prescription for a patient in the doctor's own name to protect the patient's privacy. That clause was cited by the AG's office as the reason they will not prosecute this case, according to the press. I.P. > Another little problem: Florida law expressly allows a doctor to issue a > prescription for a patient in the doctor's own name to protect the > patient's privacy. That clause was cited by the AG's office as the reason > they will not prosecute this case, according to the press. So, what do we have? Rush legally possessed a drug prescribed for a cardiovascular condition, had it vetted through his addiction counsellor, took it with him on a vacation, had his possessions searched and someone disclosed this highly personal issue. Rush is right. His doctors are right. Someone else is a miserable SOB. "Florida law expressly allows a doctor to issue a prescription for a patient in the doctor's own name to protect the patient's privacy. That clause was cited by the AG's office as the reason they will not prosecute this case, according to the press." I.P., all I have read is that the A.G. said it was not illegal - to my knowledge it is not expressly legal. From what I read of the statutes this exact situation may not be expressly provided for, but that is very common - you just have to take the statutes you do have and figure out how they should apply in a given set of facts. I personally think it is technically illegal -but gray enough that they are not going to pursue it. "Rush legally possessed a drug prescribed for a cardiovascular condition, [debatable]had it vetted through his addiction counsellor, took it with him on a vacation, had his possessions searched and someone disclosed this highly personal issue. Rush is right. His doctors are right. Someone else is a miserable SOB." I don't know why he was searched, perhaps because he has already been caught once w/ a clear violation of drug laws, and I hope it was not politically motivated. However, I think that once they found a prescription for a legend drug on its face prescribed to someone else, they had the right if not duty to look into it. Even the explanation by the A.G. suggested that he should have some documentation w/ him to prove that the drug was prescribed for him. Tip to Rush: be scrupulously careful w/ prescription drugs! Bill Denton RP 2/12/02 PSA .93 Memphis Thanks for this great post. Very informative. > 2. Legend or prescription drugs may only be possessed by the person to > whom they were prescribed. (exceptions for samples) "Legend" means a prescription drug? > 3. A pharmacist may not knowingly deliver a legend drug to a person to > whom it has not been prescribed. The name on the label must be of that > person. There is no "embarrasment" exception. I am curious, because my husband and I pick up each other's prescriptions all the time. We do this at the same pharmacy, though. They know us. > Don't even start w/ this "But it was REALLY prescribed to him." That is > no defense. But it is an explanation and shows lack of criminal intent, > so there will probably be no prosecution. However, it may be a Too bad. Since he didn't learn from the last time. I think he got off pretty well on that one, maybe what he learned was that he can get away with things. Because he's Rush Limbaugh? Because he's a fast talker? Who knows or cares. > PS: This thread is obviously politically motivated and has absolutely no > relevance to prostate cancer, its diagnosis, its treatment, nor its > natural history. Nor is it intrinsically of any importance or interest, except for what it reveals about groups who spend far more resources tearing apart this country than supporting it. I.P. >> PS: This thread is obviously politically motivated and has absolutely no >> relevance to prostate cancer, its diagnosis, its treatment, nor its [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >it reveals about groups who spend far more resources tearing apart this >country than supporting it. Huh? Where is it written that laughing at and criticizing a self-important, mean spirited, overweight hypocritical blowhard, caught with his hand in the cookie jar - AGAIN - equivalent to "tearing apart the this country?" I love this country too, but sharing it with self righteous right wing wackos, intolerant religious nuts, and other dimwitted chowderheads is what really is a trial. We had a 4th of July party yesterday attended, among others, by a Dutch national, a German national couple, and my son and his friends who had just returned from a 3 week tour of France and Spain. The Dutch lady is more liberal than any American could be with a straight face, the Germans are both left of center, and the kids are pretty much all Democrats. The three Europeans have no interest in returning to Europe after living here for 5 years; the kids said they sent most of their time hanging out with Brits, Canadians, and Aussies, liked the sightseeing, but were not impressed with the "work ethic" of the French and the Spanish, and we're glad to be home. This from a bunch of 20 somethings with cell phones in one ear and I-pods in the other. Wow, I thought. "What about all the intolerant right-wing wackos and bible-thumpers here who hate everybody who does not accept their views hook, line and sinker?" The Germans reminded me that they have to deal with skinheads and N***s, too. Gotcha. > Huh? Where is it written that laughing at and criticizing a > self-important, mean spirited, overweight hypocritical blowhard, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > wackos, intolerant religious nuts, and other dimwitted chowderheads is > what really is a trial. Add "self righteous left wing know-it-alls" to your list and I'd have trouble disagreeing with most of what you posted. The radical far left and right, politically and religiously, both get far too much attention from the media. The vast too-silent middle get shut out probably because they don't make good press. >> Huh? Where is it written that laughing at and criticizing a >> self-important, mean spirited, overweight hypocritical blowhard, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >media. The vast too-silent middle get shut out probably because they don't >make good press. It is definitely the extremes that are the problem. Case in point: my wife just retired as a high school teacher. For every right wing religious nut that attempted to butt in to control the content of the course material, there was a politically correct administrator that prevented disciplining students for such things as: 1) not showing up; 2) showing up and doing nothing; 3) swearing at the teacher; and 4) attacking the teacher. Explain how that makes this country stronger. We are the "spoiled baby boomers," but I seem to remember that if I got in trouble at school ( I had a mouthing off problem - but I grew out of it :-), my father punished ME for screwing up and there wasn't any thought of suing the school district. I also remember that the most important moral values my father ( a middle of the road Republican) taught and insisted on were honesty, hard work, personal accountability. It seems that a whole horde of bible thumpers who are all hung up on sex as a moral value and mindlessly invoking the name of their savior, forgot about the honesty and hard work part. My kids were raised by a left of center dad, but they have jobs, work their butts off, and don't lie, steal or cheat. I'd rather have those values and one of them announcing they are gay, than lacking those values and announcing they have found Jesus as their personal savior. Then I would wonder what the hell I did wrong. With all the meth labs and people using meth or what ever it's called and wondering around high on the stuff and a real danger to us all, a person with a bottle of viagra is a danger to society? Let's all come back down to earth please. Thankfully the Florida law enforcer people thought this out and decided this is not worth their trouble. Let's us all put this away and leave this person his privacy, regardless whether you like him or not.  SignatureEmail: dalej2@mac.com "Doug Taylor" wrote > "I.P. Freely" wrote: >> Huh? Where is it written that laughing at and criticizing a >> self-important, mean spirited, overweight hypocritical blowhard, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > wackos, intolerant religious nuts, and other dimwitted chowderheads is > what really is a trial. Just one little, tiny problem: I didn't write that. I.P. > Sounds to me that if it was prescribed for the doctor and given to Rush, > a law was broken and a criminal act was committed. I don't think "sounds to me" will hold up in any court. > He probably will not be charged because he's Rush Limbaugh. He was searched AND reported to the press expressly because he is Rush Limbaugh and because Palm Beach County is extremely liberal. Very few private airplanes are closely searched, and no one else is reported to the press by local authorities for carrying non-narcotic prescriptions in their doctor's name. What he did was stupid because of his parole, but fortunately for countless public figures, there's no law against stupidity. Additionally, it's pointless for us to render any judgments because a) we're not lawyers and b) our only source of reputed facts is the media. IMO, it's worth some Viagra jokes and little more, just as are most sensational stories and quick cancer cures. I.P. > The label on my pescription bottle (for Lovastatin) says: > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Cheers Lee O. > The label on my pescription bottle (for Lovastatin) says: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > He probably will not be charged because he's Rush Limbaugh. Not because > he's innocent. Yeah, no way the label could be wrong. > > Maybe no prosecution (that's up to a prosecutor), but it is still > > illegal. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > That would explain why he wasn't charged. Ok, who's to say its not an addiction? Let's see, known sexual vacation destination, drugs to enhance his potency. So he's traded addictions, perhaps. Whatever he's doing, Where's Ron on this? He's a pharmacist. Non Illegitimi Carborundum > Ok, who's to say its not an addiction? Let's see, known sexual > vacation destination, drugs to enhance his potency. So he's traded > addictions, perhaps. Whatever he's doing, Where's Ron on this? He's > a pharmacist. Addicted to Viagra? I'd bet it's a Scheduled IV or V drug! > Maybe no prosecution (that's up to a prosecutor), but it is still > illegal. Maybe in the UK, but not in the U.S. And it's never prosecuted when no narcotics are involved. I.P. > People, the issue was not that he had a prescription drug on him but > that the bottle showed that it was prescribed to someone else! I'm not > familiar w/ the drug laws but I think that is a real problem. He had a > reasonable explanation but I don't know that that excuses the > violation. It's common and legal, according to the media. Even conspiracy theory cynics say this whole thing is suspicious, wondering why the feds called the local authorities who in turn called the Associated Press about Rush's Viagra. The normal protocol, followed every day across the nation in cases like this, is to phone the doctor who issued the questionable prescription, not the local sheriff and the press. I.P. >And, I suspect the doctor had a right to give him Viagra. I just got some Diovan samples from mine.< Steve, I've been on Diovan for two years. But, at first it didn't work. So they upped it to Diovan Plus. That's just adding hydrochloride to relieve water retention (diurectic). I wasn't retaining much, no swelling, but it did lower my BP to 120/80. Since Mar. when I had all this surgery, I've lost twenty pounds and my BP has been 105/62. I may talk to the doctor about dropping this Diovan off. > > Uhh ... I.P., didja miss the media frenzy when Democratic Congressman > > Patrick Kennedy followed family tradition by playing bumper cars with [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > He's probably dipping his wick. About what I would expect from a 4-time > divorcee. > Steve, I've been on Diovan for two years. But, at first it didn't work. > So they upped it to Diovan Plus. That's just adding hydrochloride to > relieve water retention (diurectic). I wasn't retaining much, no > swelling, but it did lower my BP to 120/80. Since Mar. when I had all > this surgery, I've lost twenty pounds and my BP has been 105/62. I may > talk to the doctor about dropping this Diovan off. My history is that I was on Diovan and Bisprolol/htc. He wanted to nudge my nubers down a tad, so he gave me a second subscription for HTC. It worked, but I was less continent. So, he cut the HTC, and changed my Diovan to Diovan Plus. >> > Uhh ... I.P., didja miss the media frenzy when Democratic Congressman >> > Patrick Kennedy followed family tradition by playing bumper cars with [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] >> He's probably dipping his wick. About what I would expect from a 4-time >> divorcee. > Uhh ... I.P., didja miss the media frenzy when Democratic Congressman > Patrick Kennedy followed family tradition by playing bumper cars with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > convicted and they ought to be sent up," and who, when Jerry > Garcia OD'd, dismissed him as "another dead drug addict." I don't equate "doing drugs" with Viagra. I'm also a lot more sympathetic with people who get addicted to drugs taken legally to kill chronic pain than with people who get addicted to mind-wasting drugs taken as recreation. > And now, apparently being a rather slow study of U.S. drug laws despite > being under 18 months of court supervision, Rush has prescription drugs > issued to his doctor, not to him. There are no laws against stupidity, nor against docs issuing non-narcotic prescriptions in their own name to protect pts' privacy. I.P. having some fun with this....... a thought.... do you think the evidence will "stand up" in court? :)) ~ curtis knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc > having some fun with this....... a thought.... do you think the > evidence will "stand up" in court? :)) Not since they confiscated the evidence. I.P. Hey....Now he can own up to being "Rush Limp-baugh" (Just like the rest of us.) Rush Limbaugh detained at airport over Viagra Conservative radio show host Rush Limbaugh was detained for more than three hours after a bottle of prescription drugs is found in his luggage. BY CASEY WOODS cwoods@MiamiHerald.com A Customs inspector going through the baggage of conservative radio show host Rush Limbaugh on Monday afternoon found 29 small blue tablets -- a supply of the impotence drug Viagra. Trouble is, the name on the bottle wasn't Limbaugh. ''Limbaugh said it was for his own personal use and that the name on it was his doctor's,'' said Sgt. Pete Palenzuela, a spokesman for the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office. Possession of drugs prescribed to someone else is a second-degree misdemeanor. Limbaugh, 55, arrived on a private plane at Palm Beach International Airport from the Dominican Republic at 2 p.m. U.S. Customs and Border Protection agents discovered the drug while making a routine inspection of his bags. The agents turned the investigation over to deputies from the Palm Beach County Sheriff's Office. ''He was totally cooperative with the investigation,'' said Paul Miller, a spokesman for the sheriff's office. ``At this point, we will send it over to the state attorney´s office to determine if charges will be filed.´´ The 29 pills were confiscated and are being held by the sheriff's office. Limbaugh was detained for more than three hours but was not arrested. ''The last thing we want to do is violate someone's constitutional rights by making a physical arrest when we shouldn't,'' Palenzuela said. A doctor had prescribed the drug, but it was ''labeled as being issued to the physician rather than Mr. Limbaugh for privacy purposes,'' Roy Black, Limbaugh's attorney, said in a statement, according to The Associated Press. Limbaugh was arrested on prescription fraud charges in April, and is bound by the terms of a deal he cut with prosecutors that dismissed those charges and allowed him to plead not guilty as long as he fulfilled certain conditions, such as random drug tests. A new charge could jeopardize that deal, said Palm Beach State Attorney's office spokesman Mike Edmondson. Limbaugh admitted on the air in 2003 that he was addicted to painkillers after a housekeeper at his Palm Beach mansion alleged he abused OxyContin and other painkillers. Prosecutors launched a three-year investigation into accusations that Limbaugh engaged in ''doctor shopping,'' meaning he deceived multiple doctors to obtain overlapping prescriptions. Authorities said Limbaugh had obtained up to 2,000 painkillers prescribed by four doctors within six months. Limbaugh completed a five-week drug rehabilitation program in 2003. Last month, Limbaugh cut a deal with prosecutors that would dismiss the prescription fraud charges in 18 months if he continued treatment for his painkiller addiction, submitted to random drug tests, and did not own a gun. He did not, however, have to admit guilt. knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc Claude, The judges should give you 9.5s for that comment. Tom > Hey....Now he can own up to being "Rush Limp-baugh" (Just like the rest of > us.) [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." > http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc the nightly comedians are having a blast with this one. here's some of the comments made so far..... - you know how they knew that rush limbaugh was on viagra? on the airphane, this tray in his seat would keep popping up. - you know that even when he's aroused, he leans to the right. ~ curtis knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc |
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