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From Bob - 17 May 2006 14:12 GMT
Prostate tissue that has been treated by either EBRT or Seeds, what
happens to this tissue, is it absorbed by the body, does it remain as
space occupying necrotic tissue, does the volume of the prostate
diminish, as a result of the destroyed tissue ?????
TIA ~ Bob
Bob Anthony - 17 May 2006 23:28 GMT
Bob:

From what I understand, and I'm not a doctor, the prostate becomes a
shrunken mass of scar tissue. What radiation does is essentially fry the
prostate tissue along with the tumor. If seeds were also used in the
treatment, they remain in the shrunken, fried mass of what was the once
the prostate. (This is why surgery after radiation is generally not
done, because of the surgeon's inability to successfully remove all of
what is left of the prostate). I would assume that the prostate volume
would be considerably less since it is now in a necrotic state. Perhaps
some of the other members in the ng who had radiation treatment can
answer this more specifically than my attempt.

B.A.
Clarence Crow - 18 May 2006 01:03 GMT
>Prostate tissue that has been treated by either EBRT or Seeds, what
>happens to this tissue, is it absorbed by the body, does it remain as
>space occupying necrotic tissue, does the volume of the prostate
>diminish, as a result of the destroyed tissue ?????
>TIA ~ Bob

I can assure you the tissue remains! I have over 72cc of it squeezing
down hard on my Urethra, causing debilitating Nocturia, to prove that
post HDRB, mid July, 2005.

The HDRB Technician (not the Drs.) explained to me that they were
converting the whole of the Prostate into one Giant Blister!
So the tissue is not Fried but Boiled, albeit bad or good tissue.
(actually any form of this type of Surgical Intervention sets out to
do the same, if the Prostate is mapped correctly, initially.)
I have not had the Prostate measured externally since the HDRB, but it
feels like it has Enlarged! On my last Flexi-Cystoscopy, the Registrar
doing it commented "You have an extremely enlarged Prostate, the
Tissue has all healed cleanly, but the Urethra is curved, not parallel
and there are some bottlenecks causing partial Stricture. Yes you
would definitely benefit from a TURP and I will forward these Images
by email to your Urologist, right now"

Eagerly awaiting date to saddle up for the TURP!

Fried, Necrotic, Limp Balloon? I emphatically say NOT!!

-- Reader to complete...
-- Please reply to this ng as my email adress is fake:

-- Regards

-- CC
Bob Anthony - 18 May 2006 03:06 GMT
> So the tissue is not Fried but Boiled, albeit bad or good tissue.

Yummy, pass the Tarter Sauce  ;)

B.A.
docsafari@hotmail.com - 18 May 2006 03:38 GMT
If deep-fried testicles are called "Mountain Oysters" (and are quite a
delicacy to some), what should we call our fried prostates?  Outback
Walnuts? Schwetty Balls? [That one is taken I guess.] Fried Banana
Chips?  (And is there a market for them?  If so, maybe we have a
seminal idea (no pun) for a fund-raiser in the works here.)

I hereby propose a contest to see who can come up with the most
marketable name for our late-lamented pleasure gland.

Or, I bet that if we ground them up we could sell them as an
aphrodisiac!
docsafari@hotmail.com - 18 May 2006 03:44 GMT
If deep-fried testicles are called "Mountain Oysters" (and are quite a
delicacy to some), what should we call our fried prostates?  Outback
Walnuts? Schwetty Balls? [That one is taken I guess.] Fried Banana
Chips?  (And is there a market for them?  If so, maybe we have a
seminal idea (no pun) for a fund-raiser in the works here.)

I hereby propose a contest to see who can come up with the most
marketable name for our late-lamented pleasure gland.

Or, I bet that if we ground them up we could sell them as an
aphrodisiac!
juniper - 18 May 2006 05:55 GMT
> > So the tissue is not Fried but Boiled, albeit bad or good tissue.
>
> Yummy, pass the Tarter Sauce  ;)
>
> B.A.

I always pictured it as baked.  As if someone put it through the
microwave.
docsafari@hotmail.com - 18 May 2006 03:20 GMT
Which raises my current question:  I am about to have a PVP (laser
vaporization) of that very same necrotic tissue that remains clampled
down on my prostate. Do any of you know of anyone who had this done/
(Sorry if this is a repeat question.)

And, BTW, how the hell are you you tough old bird Clarence?   I'll make
a deal with you: I'll keep hanging in there if you do the same!

Richard

> >Prostate tissue that has been treated by either EBRT or Seeds, what
> >happens to this tissue, is it absorbed by the body, does it remain as
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>
> -- CC
docsafari@hotmail.com - 18 May 2006 04:37 GMT
Which raises my current question:  I am about to have a PVP (laser
vaporization) of that very same necrotic tissue that remains clampled
down on my prostate. Do any of you know of anyone who had this done/
(Sorry if this is a repeat question.)

And, BTW, how the hell are you you tough old bird Clarence?   I'll make
a deal with you: I'll keep hanging in there if you do the same!

Richard

> >Prostate tissue that has been treated by either EBRT or Seeds, what
> >happens to this tissue, is it absorbed by the body, does it remain as
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>
> -- CC
You smiled, you spoke, and I believed - 18 May 2006 16:19 GMT
> Prostate tissue that has been treated by either EBRT or Seeds, what
> happens to this tissue, is it absorbed by the body, does it remain as
> space occupying necrotic tissue, does the volume of the prostate
> diminish, as a result of the destroyed tissue ?????
> TIA ~ Bob

I had brachytherapy in Nov, 05.

I think my prostate has gotten a lot smaller.

I have had problems with flow for many years prior to the procedure, but
now, I piss like a horse.

really great!

j.
Steve Kramer - 19 May 2006 00:33 GMT
>> Prostate tissue that has been treated by either EBRT or Seeds, what
>> happens to this tissue, is it absorbed by the body, does it remain as
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> I have had problems with flow for many years prior to the procedure, but
> now, I piss like a horse.

High Jerry!  How's the PSA?

Signature

PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05,
2/06
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

You smiled, you spoke, and I believed - 19 May 2006 15:29 GMT
>>>Prostate tissue that has been treated by either EBRT or Seeds, what
>>>happens to this tissue, is it absorbed by the body, does it remain as
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>
> High Jerry!  How's the PSA?

dr set psa test date for 6/19.

so, am ignorant, but hopefull.

jerry
Beverley - 20 May 2006 03:05 GMT
Well, since it has been four years out from hubby's last treatment,
brachytherapy after 5 weeks of EBRT on an IMRT, I can tell you something
about it. The prostate cells are killed along with the cancer cells after
brachytherapy. The prostate eventually shrinks to nothing more than seeds
and scar tissue. But no one ever said exactly what size that would be.
Hubby's radiation oncologist did a digital exam and said that unless someone
knew to feel for what remained they would swear my husband had a RP. Said
there was virtually nothing there, just the barest hint of what once was.

Classic EBRT will shrink the prostate and make it a "different" shape. I've
heard flattened, and lumpy in description over the years. But very slowly
the prostate can repair itself  so after quite a few years the prostate
often returns to its normal shape.

The prostate is one of the few body parts that can regenerate itself. It
cannot do this if there was sufficient coverage with brachytherapy as there
will be no prostate cells remaining.
Bev

> Prostate tissue that has been treated by either EBRT or Seeds, what
> happens to this tissue, is it absorbed by the body, does it remain as
> space occupying necrotic tissue, does the volume of the prostate
> diminish, as a result of the destroyed tissue ?????
> TIA ~ Bob
You smiled, you spoke, and I believed - 22 May 2006 15:14 GMT
> Well, since it has been four years out from hubby's last treatment,
> brachytherapy after 5 weeks of EBRT on an IMRT, I can tell you something
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>>diminish, as a result of the destroyed tissue ?????
>>TIA ~ Bob

Well,  I don't like the feeling of ejaculation after brachetherapy, so I
will monitor this, perhaps some prostate will rejuvenate.

The question is, will the rejuvenated be cancerous or not.

j.
Beverley - 22 May 2006 15:34 GMT
If the brachy was done properly your prostate is not coming back!

Rejuvenated prostate tissue can either contain cancer cells left from
treatment or can become cancerous again.

Just because something feels different does not make it bad. You've got to
find pleasure in it and be thankful for what you do have. It only takes a
few inches to have sex and you'll find those inches between the ears.
:-)
Bev

> > Well, since it has been four years out from hubby's last treatment,
> > brachytherapy after 5 weeks of EBRT on an IMRT, I can tell you something
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>
> j.
 
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