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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / June 2006Touching Base re Cryo
Hello Steve {Kramer). Bet you never thought you'd hear from me again :-) Anyway, a couple of folks have tracked me down in the last couple of months asking about Cryo, how I'm doing etc, one of them sending me a cut and paste of a comment from you regarding my PSA being as high as it was prior to the little op' (if I can call it that). Don't get me wrong Steve, I'm not here to critique your comment, just to put the record straight and give hope to folks who may want to consider cryo... I had my little op' in October 2004 (so I guess I'm a survivor) :-) at the time my PSA was 4.6 and the biopsy showed 6 out of 6 cores all positive (how lucky is that :-( with a score of 3+4. I guess I should add the other stuff, I was 56 at the time, and hadn't had any symptoms at all, just found out from a random PSA test, what a shocker that was... The op was a breeze, except 4 days later my bollocks looked and felt like the Graf Zeppelin ! That was a hellish experience for 4-5 days, but before I knew it things were back to normal. The only downside to it all was the catheter, I hated it, it was in for 3 weeks, no big deal really, I just felt sorry for myself being piped up and lugging it all around. When they took it out (no problem with that) I was fine, never had a problem passing water. I've had PSA tests done after 1 month, then every 3 months, they went like this from first to the latest... 0.2 0.18 0.25 0.33. 0.31 0.44 0.27 so there has been some fluctuations, but as they say PSA don't mean you have cancer, the consultant over here tells me it's more likely to be a very slight regeneration of the prostate. There was a bit of concern though when the PSA reached 0.44 so I had a PET Scan, now that's advanced stuff, it actually looks at the activity of any cancer that you might have, a whole body scan this was... That came back with an "all clear" no sign of any active cancer cells anywhere in my body, what a relief. Not sure about the availablity of Pet Scans in the U.S. no doubt they have them, but I'd guess there aint many of them yet. Other than that there's a new test (out of Montreal) that they say is way better than any of the PSA tests, but again availability of it is limited. As far as how I am, well... bright eyed and bushy tailed, feel great, but I still look over my shoulder, I have this feeling that once (any type of) cancer has had a run at you that you're kind of susceptible to it making a come back, well maybe not the same type of cancer, but a cousin to it, just my own way of thinking, nothing statistical, more like walking under ladders :-( Other than that the only impact on my life was my pony had a broken neck for almost a year, but I didn't give a damn about that, I was just happy to be alive, I had no intention of stressing myself out over that one. Then out of the blue, I woke up one morning and there he was, almost ready to gallop, boy was that a shock. Over the months things have got back to normal on that front, still feel the same way though Steve, I'd have been happy to trade in erections to stay on the planet a little longer. Seems that I'm not alone in most if not all of the above experiences, the Hospital I went to Sunderland Royal, in the N.E. of England have done around 100 folks so far, I don't know if any of them that have died in the 2-3 years since Sunderland Royal have been doing Cryo, and I see most of them at PCa meetings, (word of a death would sure leak out) 3-4 times a year, that and I keep closer contact with some of them by e-mail and phone. If one thing is different for me it's the bounces I've had, few of them have had that, plus most of the others have has lower PSA's than I've had, but again PSA is a rough guide not a certainty, if you know what I mean. All in all Steve I am very happy with how things have gone for me, in fact I'm thrilled. I wouldn't dare tell anyone "this is the way YOU have to go" I dropped out of here due to the heat that gets generated in the debates and I see folks are still chewing each other up in here :-( This is just a flying visit to put the record straight, and to give folks who are considering Cryo some hope (at least), that and to give you my best wishes Steve, often thought about how you might be doing, I'm glad you're still around and ahead of the game. If anyone ever needs any further & betters on Cryo or even HIFU (HIFU would have been my first choice except for the calcium build up I had in the prostate), just drop me an e-mail, I'm not that hard to find. I consider both treatments worthy of consideration, to say the least, at this point there has been no impact on the quality of my life at all, before I forget, no incontinence (at anytme) or any other side effects either. All the Best Steve, been a pleasure to touch base with you... Canada Bob. PS near forgot... I do take statins every day, and celebrex, they may be playing a role, who knows... > Hello Steve {Kramer). > > Bet you never thought you'd hear from me again :-) I took you at your word. :-) But, I'm glad you're back. We've had interest in HIFU and you were the preeminant expert. I told people that, due to calcification, you didn't qualify, but you had researched it. We now have MikeHi, but two are better than one. > Anyway, a couple of folks have tracked me down in the last couple of > months asking about Cryo, how I'm doing etc, one of them sending me a > cut and paste of a comment from you regarding my PSA being as high as > it was prior to the little op' (if I can call it that). I don't recall telling them you had a high PSA. But, if I did, thanks for clarifying it. > Not sure about the availablity of Pet Scans in the U.S. no doubt they > have them, but I'd guess there aint many of them yet. About ten years agao, my sister worked at one of the larger hospitals in Cincinnati. Her job was scheduling PET Scans. I think most of the hospitals around here have them by now. > This is just a flying visit to put the record straight, and to give > folks who are considering Cryo some hope (at least) I'm glad you did. You and Dan Dubosky are the only two Cryo success stories here. > and to give > you my best wishes Steve, often thought about how you might be doing, > I'm glad you're still around and ahead of the game. I'm fighting the bastard. Right now, I'm looking at pushing up daisies about 2012 and the cure coming about 2015. Still trying to figure out how to narrow that three-year span. Hello Steve, I was hoping for a longer outcome......? 2012.........I would fight like a dog, and push those results much farther. I hear many cures, and ailments are affected by motivation. I am no person to give a sermon, and only a friend. Believe in the impossible, love your family, enjoy every day. Walk, talk, and Thank You for being here.... John Loomis survivor......PSA is coming Aug. 2006. hum....... I roll the dice.....is it boxcars, or 7 and 11. I just want less than 0.01. I will find that when my turn comes up. >> Hello Steve {Kramer). >> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > about 2012 and the cure coming about 2015. Still trying to figure out how > to narrow that three-year span. Don't get me wrong, John. I figure there are to things going to reduce that gap. One, is me fighting the bastard inside me. Two is the medical/scientific aparatus fighting it in general. Together, who knows? And, really , no one knows how long I have anyway. A couple of years ago, I had a 50/50 change of living another ten. My window is more realistically, 2009 to 2015, I think.  SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 Non Illegitimi Carborundum > Hello Steve, > I was hoping for a longer outcome......? [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> about 2012 and the cure coming about 2015. Still trying to figure out >> how to narrow that three-year span. >I'm fighting the bastard. Right now, I'm looking at pushing up daisies about 2012 and the cure coming about 2015. Still trying to figure out how to narrow that three-year span.< Steve, I guess I've missed some posts or don't understand. How did you get those dates? I'm not being critical, but isn't that a little specific? your friend David > >I'm fighting the bastard. Right now, I'm looking at pushing up daisies > about 2012 and the cure coming about 2015. Still trying to figure out [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > get those dates? I'm not being critical, but isn't that a little > specific? Yes, Dave. Unrealistically specific. I'm basing the 2012 on what I've read over the years, my oncologist's estimate in 2002, and my cancer's overall progress. Like I said, I could be off by a few years. As to the cure, that to is far too specific. Fortunately, all the things that have to occur before the cure is had, the critical path if you will, have, to date, occurred quicker than expected. For instance, the Genome Project. I think it was supposed to be completed in 2005, but actually came in about 2002. After that, they thought it would take several years to find the specific combination of DNA that cause PCa. But, they already found them and there is no combination. There are two, and either one can cause it. So, maybe the cure will be 2012. I am not fatalistic. But, I am realistic. I hope for better and am satisfied with what is. SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 Non Illegitimi Carborundum > -- > PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 > Non Illegitimi Carborundum Steve, when is your next PSA? I guess we're following your path on this, with a little detour for failed chemo. Well, our margins weren't neg. The doc is waiting for another MRI w/spectroscopy, but he found so much prostate tissue he might want to do IMRT followed by seeds in the remaining bed. Uck. June. I think the 19th. SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 Non Illegitimi Carborundum >> -- >> PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > another MRI w/spectroscopy, but he found so much prostate tissue he > might want to do IMRT followed by seeds in the remaining bed. Uck. > ... Well, our margins weren't neg. The doc is waiting for > another MRI w/spectroscopy, but he found so much prostate tissue he > might want to do IMRT followed by seeds in the remaining bed. Uck. Laurel, Have you been given any explanation for why there was so much prostate tissue remaining? Was this ever discussed with the surgeon? I once consulted with a radiation oncologist who was recommending radiation over surgery. He said, "the surgeon thinks he got all the prostate tissue out, but he can't know that for sure." Alan > Have you been given any explanation for why there was so much > prostate tissue remaining? Was this ever discussed with the surgeon? No, we just got the DRE last Wednesday (I think) from the rad onc. Then Monday he did the ultrasound. Today it was a MRI (not spectroscopy as I thought) at SimonMed. (Not related to either doctor.) As far as talking to the surgeon, I cannot recall ever saying, "Are you sure you got it all?" He seemed sure. What can I say? We haven't seen him for over a month. Scheduled to go back in June for the final bye-bye. > I once consulted with a radiation oncologist who was recommending > radiation over surgery. He said, "the surgeon thinks he got all the > prostate tissue out, but he can't know that for sure." This rad onc said he sees it all the time. Steve waited today for a copy of his films, but the report isn't done yet. The films are very interesting but fairly meaningless. Well, I can tell his thigh bones. And a few other structures... I'll let you know what the MRI report says about the remaining tissue. What do you think there might be to discuss with the surgeon, now that the surgery is completed? Before surgery, the agreement was to take it all, even if he found mets. He said he probably wouldn't be able to spare any nerves. Which he has waffled on, as to whether he did or not. laurel > Have you been given any explanation for why there was so much > prostate tissue remaining? Was this ever discussed with the surgeon? No, we just got the DRE last Wednesday (I think) from the rad onc. Then Monday he did the ultrasound. Today it was a MRI (not spectroscopy as I thought) at SimonMed. (Not related to either doctor.) As far as talking to the surgeon, I cannot recall ever saying, "Are you sure you got it all?" He seemed sure. What can I say? We haven't seen him for over a month. Scheduled to go back in June for the final bye-bye. > I once consulted with a radiation oncologist who was recommending > radiation over surgery. He said, "the surgeon thinks he got all the > prostate tissue out, but he can't know that for sure." This rad onc said he sees it all the time. Steve waited today for a copy of his films, but the report isn't done yet. The films are very interesting but fairly meaningless. Well, I can tell his thigh bones. And a few other structures... I'll let you know what the MRI report says about the remaining tissue. What do you think there might be to discuss with the surgeon, now that the surgery is completed? Before surgery, the agreement was to take it all, even if he found mets. He said he probably wouldn't be able to spare any nerves. Which he has waffled on, as to whether he did or not. laurel Just a quick update to respond to a few folks {at one go} re the Cryo that I had... Some folks are quite concerned about the quality of life after Cryo {or the alternatives}. I've had a good few e-mails in the last few weeks. I've responded to them all, but it comes to mind that there's other folks with the same concerns who don't drop me a line for one reason or another, so here's the scoop on where Cryo is at, at least here in the Untidy Kingdom. I was back at Sunderland Royal a couple of weeks ago and they did a whole host of tests on me, you name it, they did it, including the PSA test which came back at 0.37 down some 16% from the last one I had at 0.44. These readings may seem high compared to other {shall I say} conventional treatments, but that simply reflects the nature of the treatment. It seems that they take a great deal of concern {more than we might normally be afforded} and they try their best to preserve a mans dignity / quality of life by being as conservative as possible with the extent of the freezing, yet being mindful of the job that needs to be done {to kill the cancer}. It seems that due to their experience of freezing the whole damned lot, that if they combine PET scans {before the Cryo} they can tell with a high degree of accuracy where the cancer cells and the tumours are. If they don't occupy the whole of the gland they treat the part that is {can I call it} infected, doing just a reginal freeze to -50C. The reason for this is they are doing their best to save men from impotence and also from incontinence {even though the latter hasn't been much of a problem with Cryo, less than 2% they say}. So the methodology now is to check before the Cryo by PET and everything else available to them, if they are as good as certain that a regional/zone treatment will be effective then that's what they do. I still would have preferred HIFU though, but due to a calcium build up it wasn't an option for me. Both Cryo & HIFU are pretty well non invasive, some folks stay just a day in hospital, and after a couple of weeks to put up with the catheter you're right as rain. Both Cryo & HIFU can be done under a local anaesthetic, so there's less cause for concern there, plus with either one you don't finish up with a scar the length of England ! These things meant more to me than other concerns, I've already had a heart attack and I didn't fancy being "out of it" for 3-5 hours having a slice and dice operation. Anyway, I've digressed, apologies for that, I was on about the PSA level, some folks tend to forget that PSA isn't {in itself} a sign of prostate cancer, so just because you may have had PCa and then {no matter what option you took} you find you have a PSA reading, it don't mean that much {on it's own} depending on the option you went for. Cryo will leave you with some prostate cells, not many, but some, and they will, as is their want, produce some PSA, kind of in a ratio to what normal healthy cells would produce. Like normal healthy prostate cells they will produce more PSA some days than others, so you will get a fluctuation rather than a steady 0.000 {lets say}. Fact is, they feel that the fluctuations that I've had in the last 18 months are a good sign, sort of mirrors what normal healthy prostate cells would be doing day to day, there's no trend at all, just a fluctuation. The lowest I ever had was 0.18 average has been 0.3 and the highest 0.44 back down now to 0.37. If the PSA starts to trend above what residual {healthy} prostate cancer cells would produce then you may need a back up plan. For me I swear by low dose Celebrex, but that's only for me to hang my hat on, some folks are happy taking Celebrex, other wouldn't touch it with a barge pol}, to each his own. IF you you are concerned about loss of your dignity {incontinence} then either Cryo or HIFU are well worth consideration, if it's the {so called} quality of life {impotence} then you can opt for a regional / nerve sparing option with Cryo. Or like me, if you're more concerned about maintaining your life than maintaining your erection you can have the Full Monty, and if luck is on your side you'll wake up a few months down the line with a surprise. I've always said {before and after the Cryo} that it troubles me to see what a lot of men {at our age, I'm 58} put themselves through, worrying about their "manhood" sigh... It's bad enough to have to face a battle with cancer without stigmatising yer psyche. I hope that this helps folks know a little more about Cryo & HIFU and although I won't be posting in here on a regular basis, it's easy enough to find me, and I'll give my best shot to anyone who needs any help or any further and betters. All the Best, Canada Bob. Hello Steve... Having lost contact with you I'm shocked to hear you speak of your considered demise in 2012 or any other year. I don't know if there's been a big change in your situation or what ? is there ? Not sure if you considered celebrex, I have a lot of faith in it, might be worth your checking out, it's being promoted over here in several hospitals to combat cancer. The PET scans are very accurate {as long as they give you the right isotope}, the PET scans display the activity of the cancer and that tells them more than other scans where all they may see is the size and shape of what may be a dormant cancer. I can't figure out why there aren't more folks showing up in here that have had Cryo, I chat with a guy in California who had Cryo, he's doing well, but he doesn't "talk" about it. Add to that I've met at least 60 guys on a fairly regular basis here in the Untidy Kingdom who have had Cryo, most of them at Sunderland Royal. I think they started doing Cryo there in 2003 and as mentioned I've never heard anyone speak of a death. I've heard of 3 men that for one reason or another have had repeat Cryo. Other than that even though I'm happy with my outcome I'm on the higher end of the scale as far as residual PSA is concerned, that unnerved me at first, but I now accept that PSA isn't an absolute as to if you have cancer or not, and it was a BIG relief when the PET scan didn't find anything, so I soldier on. There's some thought that me being on the younger side {58 now} may be the reason for the recovery of the nerves, and some miniscule part of the prostate. The guy who did the Op did try to spare the nerves {even though I told him my only concern was to zap the whole of the prostate, to make sure they got the cancer cells}. I'll have to talk to some of the guys at the next meeting to see why they don't post in here, may be a cultural thing, the Brits can be as reserved as the reputation they have {except for me, grin}. Same thing with the HIFU over here done at Stepping Hills Hospital, in Stockport near Manchester, there must be at least another 100 from there, but they don't seem to appear of the web anywhere either. Same thing for France & Germany, there's thousands of HIFU & Cryo folks there, and beyond, but few if any ever show up here, how's that ? I expect there's a language barrier for some of them, but I think it's more a cultural thing that keeps them from posting about their experiences. It's a pity that they don't contribute, folks could benefit from knowing how they are doing and how they feel about it all. The thing that makes it worse is the less folks hear about it, the less chance they will consider it, and although HIFU would always be my first choice {the option I couldn't take, due to the calcium build up}. I'm glad that Cryo was an option for me, and that I didn't go under the knife {that's just my preference}, although having said that 2 guys I got to know over here that had the RP both died within 2 years {due to the spread of the cancer}. That proves nothing statistically Steve, but "close encounters" weigh heavily on the mind. At the end of the day Steve there are so many variables, age, PSA, Gleason scale etc etc, what works best for one guy certainly wouldn't be the best option for another. I see folks are still "going for each others jugulars" in here, insisting that anyone who doesn't take the same route that they have chosen will "rot in hell" or was it "rot in the ground", sigh. Cor Blimey ! I'm glad I can see the unintended humour in that, I'm on the "other side" I don't now have to sweat it out, I've taken what was available for me, and I'm happy with where I'm at, but I wouldn't want to be one of the guys who's under intense pressure trying to figure out how he might save his life, and reading stuff like that. Far as I know I'm the only one who's {posted in here} wishing he'd had an alternative treatment HIFU vs Cryo. All things being equal I'd advise folks to go for HIFU over Cryo anytime, the non invasive thing {of both} appealed to me, HIFU has fewer potential side effects than Cryo, particularly the impotence thing, afterall none of us want to loose it just for the hell of it. I'd welcome any questions that folks might have, if I can help anyone then I will, but my orbit {in and out of here} is complete, I don't fancy being caught in the gravity of the forum nor burning up in the atmosphere that sometimes prevails :-) Contact by e-mail is welcome from anyone, anytime... All the Best, Canada Bob. > I don't know if there's been a big change in your situation or what ? > is there ? Acceptance isn't all that hard once you get the ball rolling, but it came incramentally to me. I think I was about 1975 when I accepted that I was going to die. When my PSA went up after SRT in 2003, I accepted it was going to be from prostate cancer (at which time I was actually surprised that I survived 1975 to 1993). I'm not sure when I accepted the timeframe. I think it was when I posted that my uro was putting me on HT and that there was a rare chance that would get the remaining cells. "Ron" or "ron" replied elloquently, but the message was "bull sh.t!" So, based on RRP in 2000, SRT in 2002, HT in 2003, I added 8 (seems about average) plus one for modern medicine and I took 2012 in the family pool. > The PET scans are very accurate {as long as they give you the right > isotope}, the PET scans display the activity of > the cancer and that tells them more than other scans where all they may > see is the size and shape of what may be > a dormant cancer. I understand they are. Christ Hospital (here in Cincinnati) and a double scanner, a combined PET and CAT that is supposed to be remarkably accurate. I'm sure I'll find myself inside it at some point in the future. > I can't figure out why there aren't more folks showing up in here that > have had Cryo, I chat with a guy in California who had Cryo, > he's doing well, but he doesn't "talk" about it. The cryo folks on this NG, aside from you and Dan, have had miserable experiences. Of course, there isn't a whole lot of 20-year data on it either. > At the end of the day Steve there are so many variables, age, PSA, > Gleason scale etc etc, what works best for one guy certainly wouldn't > be the best option for another. Aint it the truth! > I see folks are still "going for each others jugulars" in here, > insisting that anyone who doesn't take the same route that they have > chosen will "rot in hell" or was it "rot in the ground", sigh. You probably missed the context, but it was "rot in the ground." I would not have said "rot in Hell". That would have been... well, .... that would have been what I was accused of having said. > Far as I know I'm the only one who's {posted in here} wishing he'd had > an alternative treatment HIFU vs Cryo. Actually, I would have loved to have had a choice. There just aint none at 46. I don't know what I would have chosen, but sex would have been a strong influence. SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 Non Illegitimi Carborundum > ... > I'll have to talk to some of the guys at the next meeting to see why > they don't post in here, may be a cultural thing, the Brits can be as > reserved > as the reputation they have {except for me, grin}. > ... I recall that years ago Brits and Europeans had to pay for communications by the minute. Here in the U.S. it's typically fixed rate by the month. I now have TV, phone and Internet service all over a single cable that gives me high speed Internet plus calling to any place in the U.S. or Canada for a fixed monthly charge. Are you still paying per minute of access over there? Is that what inhibits people from using the net? Alan <snip> >Are you still paying per minute of access over there? Is that what >inhibits people from using the net? > > Alan Perhaps they play in different Sandboxes to you guys ;) -- Reader to complete... -- Please reply to this ng as my email adress is fake: -- Regards -- CC THANKS for sending us this missive, Bob. And best wishes to you, sounds like you are on the right side of the curve. Your style will trump a <1 PSA any day. laurel <everything in the whole world> > THANKS for sending us this missive, Bob. And best wishes to you, > sounds like you are on the right side of the curve. Your style will > trump a <1 PSA any day. laurel > > <everything in the whole world> Hello Juniper, Thanks for the above, nice to maintain a sense of humour, and to touch base from time to time. All the Best, Canada Bob. > Hello Steve {Kramer). > > Bet you never thought you'd hear from me again :-) <snip> Good to hear from you again, Bob! Hope you'll re-visit from time to time. As you can tell, your name comes up from time to time, generally by Steve (K). From your comments, I presume you lurk here periodically. Glad to hear everything is working out so well for you. Hope you have continued good health. SignatureJerryW Please respond to group; email address is not valid 2/11/04 PSA 2.6, Suspicious DRE (age 62) 2/23/04 Biopsy: Gleason 3+4=7, T2a, left lobe 5/18/04 RRP, Path: Gleason 4+3=7, T2c, both lobes 7/13/04 PSA <0.1 10/12/04 PSA <0.1 1/18/05 PSA <0.1 4/26/05 PSA <0.1 10/13/05 PSA <0.1 3/28/06 PSA <0.1 > > Hello Steve {Kramer). > > Bet you never thought you'd hear from me again :-) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > continued good health. > JerryW Hello Jerry... Yea, good to touch base, this was just a flying visit though Jerry, sponsored by a couple of folks that in the last couple of months had {from here} tracked me down and contacted me by e-mail, asking about Cryo. I wouldn't dare lurk this forum :-) the gravity can drag you in and burn you up :-( But I'd always be trackable for anyone who feels I may be able to shed some light, or give them my thoughts and direction. One guy from NY is considering coming to the UK or even Austria to get either HIFU or Cryo, not sure why he'd need to take the trip ? but if anyone finds themselves in need of info on options this side of the pond then I'd be more than happy to do what I can for them. Thanks for your supportive kind comment Jerry, valued and appreciated. Canada Bob, or should that be Manchester Bob these days :-) Hey Bob, Thanks! Your posts are so encouraging! Must be that British air...Hail to your stiff upper lip!!!!! J. |
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