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I've always known that the first thing to come out of a penis upon sexual arousal is the wrinkles. I had a very erotic dream last night, and instead of sleeping through it, like I have been, I woke up. Well grabbing around, trying to find it under my depends, I couldn't definitively make anything out. So I flipped on the lamp, threw off the covers, ripped off the depends and looked. Now, I'm sure not claiming an erection, this whole "no more sex" thing has had me worried. So I've tried to be very vigilante in watching for signs that I might be one of the lucky ones. I've used my keenest observation skills in this regard. One of my discoveries is, since my RP I normally have 6 wrinkles on my penis. Last night though, in lamplight, the dream fading fast, I'm sure I only counted three. I take this as HOPE and wanted to pass it on. If it's working even a 3 wrinkle erection this soon, why in 6 months, who knows? Well, good luck to all, I'm going to take a nap. God Bless and erect dreams!!! David I've never heard of the wrinkle count scale but if it works ---?! I've had two or three unaided erections, all during/immediately after dreams of the most erotic kind yet all efforts to get same when needed have failed. I have no idea why except there is most likely a mental component. Obviously the plumbing can work, just not when I need it. So, I'm trying the shots now with promising results though no success yet as I work my way up the dose scale. "15" ought to do it. Dave Perry Dave, How long has it been since your RP? I've heard of the post glandin? shots? Is that it? I've always admired mechanical things (57 Chevys, Harleys, P-51 Mustangs, Dodge P/U with Hemis, Peterbilts, John Deere etc....you get the picture) so thought the penile implant might be for me. However, these bodily invasions haven't set well with me, so I was turning my interest towards modern pharmacology. I regret reading that after a total RP with nerve removal, most guys don't benefit from Viagra, Levitra, or Cialis. These shots though, sound like something Marcus Welby would use on Ward Cleaver in a hospital. I can just see him turning to June now, with that smile of deep compassion on his face, and say," don't worry Mrs. Cleaver, Ward will make it!!!:-))" Of, June (secretly having fantasies of Eddie Haskell) will be delighted. Kinda like that lady on the Enzyte commericials.(Say....anybody know anything about that stuff??) Whew......getting bored here, Seriously, does anyone know if the shots work well? David the shots work well for me but the only thing i can't figure out is after my 10 or 15 minutes of enjoyment , what do i do with the other 2 and a half hours of erection :? > Dave, How long has it been since your RP? I've heard of the post > glandin? shots? Is that it? I've always admired mechanical things (57 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > David > the shots work well for me but the only thing i can't figure out is after > my 10 or 15 minutes of enjoyment , what do i do with the other 2 and a > half hours of erection :? Did you ever consider charitable donations to needy women?  SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 Non Illegitimi Carborundum it's usually a good stretch of time in between performances so my woman gets pretty needy during that time. maybe the next time we may consider another toss in the hey if at least she is up to it. >> the shots work well for me but the only thing i can't figure out is after >> my 10 or 15 minutes of enjoyment , what do i do with the other 2 and a >> half hours of erection :? > > Did you ever consider charitable donations to needy women? Simply start again after one and a half hour from the first go :-)) >> the shots work well for me but the only thing i can't figure out is after >> my 10 or 15 minutes of enjoyment , what do i do with the other 2 and a >> half hours of erection :? > >Did you ever consider charitable donations to needy women? It's been 2 years, 9 months since surgery. Both nerves spared although who knows how much they were stretched, pulled, scraped, or otherwise damaged. There are members on this group who swear by the shots. I'm strongly leaning that way myself although total success still lies in the future. The three vitamins work only marginally and not good enough. The shots (Caverject) seem to work quite well although as I mentioned earlier, I'm still working my way up to the appropriate dose. My first effort was 2.5 micrograms with no effect plus the shot itself was somewhat painful, maybe a 3 on a scale of 1 to 10 and a dull, mild ache that lasted all day. The second effort was 5 micrograms with some effect followed about fifteen minutes later with a second shot of 5 micrograms which produced an almost usable erection, better than any of the vitamins. This time, both shots were not at all painful. I can't explain why the first one offered some discomfort and the next two didn't. The next time I'll go for 15 micrograms which will require two shots again because the prescription I have has syringes of 10 max. They make them up to 20 micrograms which I'll get next time. Like 42n8_1 implied, the erection lasts longer than you need, plus there's no downtime in case you or partner wants to go again, and you get the erection with no fear of "losing it" or not getting it at all. While certainly not ideal, they seem to be the ticket for many guys. Dave Perry > Dave, How long has it been since your RP? I've heard of the post > glandin? shots? Is that it? I've always admired mechanical things (57 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > David Man, Dave, you are what? 3 weeks post-RP? LOL. We're doing 25 mg/Viagara a night. It *might* help the tissues keep in shape. We hear the shots work for almost everyone. Can't try them right now because of chemo. Also getting a VED for exercise if not for fun. (Who knows.) The general consensus seems to be go for it all. What you don't use, you lose. My personal theory is make sure it knows you still care. Do you know that nerves try to find each other again? They have 2 different chemicals on the two cut ends, and they try to repair themselves. So they could very well do so even if both were cut. Although I'm reading two to three years (for spontaneous erection) for a lot of men. I just mention it so that if your 3-wrinkle guy doesn't become a <snip> this month, you won't feel hopeless. Okay, this is your secret weapon: One time I broke a toe and went to my naturopath because *nothing* worked on the pain (well I only got as high as vicoden or maybe percodan). He gave me Hypericum, an herbal extract. He said it helped nerves heal, and I was having nerve pain. It was magic. Really. So that was my bright idea for Steve's erectile nerves. Hypercium is the active ingredient in St Johns Wort. However, we can't do it either because of the chemo. For many months.... But, depending on what your current treatment is, *you* can take St John's Wort. Buy it at a health food store and read the labels, get the best brand you can. Also, don't be shy. (Joke.) Go ahead and get those health food store gals into long conversations about vitamins for nerves. I know B-complex vitamins, lecithin. I'm really not up on it all. You could get the old but trusty book, Earl Mindell's Vitamin Bible. It is purely research based, not weebie-jeebie. Good luck! laurel ps a note. you can hurt that stitching inside the urethra by having too much fun. no pulling as far as it will go. pps I got lost about eddie haskell. who is that? what is enzyte? Laurel, thanks for the info. Ward and June Cleaver were Beavers parents on the 50's and 60's sitcom "Leave it to Beaver". Beavers older brother "Wally" had a best friend named "Eddie Haskell" Eddie was a real jerk and 50's thug, but used fake, albeit impeccable manners around Mrs. Cleaver (June). I just threw in the fantasy stuff. The whole post was a rather weak attempt at humor, but did get a little discussion going, that maybe will help. I am going to check into the nerve repairing vitamins. I'm so sorry you guys have to do the chemo. But it's not forever. God Bless You David > Laurel, thanks for the info. Ward and June Cleaver were Beavers > parents on the 50's and 60's sitcom "Leave it to Beaver". Beavers older > brother "Wally" had a best friend named "Eddie Haskell" Eddie was a > real jerk and 50's thug, but used fake, albeit impeccable manners > around Mrs. Cleaver (June). I just threw in the fantasy stuff. The > whole post was a rather weak attempt at humor, but did get a little Oh, it *was* funny. Perhaps more so because I couldn't really follow it except as an entertaining stream-of-consciousness thing. I had heard of the Cleavers but didn't recall enough of the show to get the supporting characters. Perfectly described, though. I can picture him now. Kind of like The Fonz except as a scumbag. > nerve repairing vitamins. I'm so sorry you guys have to do the chemo. > But it's not forever. We are actually not sorry about the chemo, Dave. After I wrote that sentence, I went and asked Steve. Just to check, to be sure I wasn't assuming. He said, "I'd rather have chemo than radiation. With a Gleason 9, its systemic. Chemo is a no-brainer. If surgery would have cured it, Great! But since it didn't, chemo is the thing. And if that doesn't so it, down the road we'll see if radiation might be the thing." My perspective is a little different. We didn't know, until the surgery, that we had G9. Our biopsies were 2/10, miniscule percentages, G7. So the path report was a big shock. And I think we were lucky that one of the lymph nodes showed a "tiny focus of metastatized adenocarcinoma." For once, we had unequivocal staging. At least, when you know, you can make informed decisions. We are glad that chemo is available, and also ADT. We have hope for a cure. Dying of prostate cancer is forever. Even if his dad had not had PCa that metastatized to his bones and brain, I am sure, knowing what we know now, that we would have done the same thing. Chemo and ADT are not forever. We are very glad to have an oncologist who knows enough to give us choices. What would we have done without that positive lymph node and positive margin? I don't know. Possibly radiation. But.... Adjvunct RT works best on the G6 people. Not so helpful for the higher Gs. So maybe not. There are worse things than chemo. Of course, its probably easier to say that now (after only one treatment.) Good luck to us all! laurel Hi Juniper I had no idea what you'd been through until I read this post. There are some good tough guys out there, and you're one of them. For me, your post is the sum of all the miniscule calculations that laypersons with Pca are expected to make before they finally tell their onc-uros, with fingers crossed, which treatment they'll take. The very best of good luck Juniper- and here's everything crossed for the magic bullet, which seems to be looming a bit closer on the horizon, even for systemic stuff, to fly your way! And, as you write, good luck to us all. MikeHi >We are actually not sorry about the chemo, Dave. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >laurel > Hi Juniper > > I had no idea what you'd been through until I read this post. There Thanks, Mike. That's why I'm so curious about your friend who is just finishing up the whole 9 yards, what his path was like. There's much more. We had a PSA of 24 (20.1-26.7), neg bone scan, neg CT, neg endorectal MRI w/spectroscopy. Oppenheimer 2nd biopsy path. Lots of normal DREs. Finding a good doctor was part of what went on, and knowing we had PCa and had *no* doctor (after the Mayo fiasco) was tough. We did find a good one and she got the appropriate testing. Besides the high PSA, it looked good. I suppose I could set up a signature that would summarize it. The handiness and readability of using Google groups far outweighs the ease of setting a signature on the listserv, wherever it is. (I did try it that way.) > are some good tough guys out there, and you're one of them. For me, > your post is the sum of all the miniscule calculations that laypersons > with Pca are expected to make before they finally tell their onc-uros, > with fingers crossed, which treatment they'll take. Of course the uro was for surgery, but so was the onc, by the end of all the testing. Which was good, since that was what we decided. (I'm scared of her. hehe.) And its a good thing. We traded the RP side effects for a debulking (has to be valuable) but mostly what we got was a real staging. As far as RP, though. How terrible is it for a guy to voluntarily get his sexual experience so dramatically and permanently altered? I'll never really know. I have a lot of respect for the courage it takes. > The very best of good luck Juniper- and here's everything crossed for > the magic bullet, which seems to be looming a bit closer on the > horizon, even for systemic stuff, to fly your way! Thanks, I hope so! > And, as you write, good luck to us all. I became disenchanted with this show when I discovered how abusive Ward was to his wife. How many times did we hear her complain "Ward, you were pretty rough on the beaver last night". :) Dave Perry > I became disenchanted with this show when I discovered how abusive Ward > was to his wife. How many times did we hear her complain "Ward, you > were pretty rough on the beaver last night". :) > Dave Perry ROFLMAO you got me, Dave. enzyte is a funny commercial on tv about "natural male enhancement". don't know how effective, but FUNNY > enzyte is a funny commercial on tv about "natural male enhancement". > don't know how effective, but FUNNY The company (Burke Manufacturing?) that produced and sold Enzyte was raided by law enforcement, mostly feds, and has since agreed to pay significant fines for the false advertising of Enzyte and other wonder cures. SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 Non Illegitimi Carborundum I found them online. https://www.asseenontvnetwork.com/vcc/berkeley/enzytetrial/186909/ > enzyte is a funny commercial on tv about "natural male enhancement". > don't know how effective, but FUNNY > One of my discoveries is, since my RP I normally have 6 wrinkles on my > penis. Last night though, in lamplight, the dream fading fast, I'm sure > I only counted three. I take this as HOPE and wanted to pass it on. If > it's working even a 3 wrinkle erection this soon, why in 6 months, who > knows? Well, good luck to all, I'm going to take a nap. You can see your penis? You lucky bastard. I couldn't see mine for months. SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 Non Illegitimi Carborundum I would use an Iron to get rid of the wrinkles...... I think that is what many do? Just make sure it is not too hot. I have to admit. It took 2 years for me, to get anything that resembled and erection. After that, I stoked the fire....... Needless to say, use it lose it, and don't bother counting wrinkles... Sounds like you are doing fine....... John Loomis RP @ 49 in 1999 0.01 or less so far........Wish me luck too. > I've always known that the first thing to come out of a penis upon > sexual arousal is the wrinkles. I had a very erotic dream last night, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > God Bless and erect dreams!!! > David Not what you want to hear I am sure, but there is life after impotence. Near to three years for me, and no sign of life down there. Injections did not work for me, nor did the pump. Came close to doing the AMS 700, but decided to back off from another surgery. But you have a lot of time for the big comeback. Don't give up hope, but I know the wait is a bitch. Are you using the pump to get blood moving? A lot of guys use it just for that purpose. No proof that works of course, but there is some logic to getting the tissues streched and enriched with blood. If you are rich you can also try taking some Viagra every day. Some guys to that, and some uro's suggest doing that for therapeutic reasons. Again, no proof that I know of that it actually works, but maybe it is worth the try. Now, tell us more about that erotic dream.... > I've always known that the first thing to come out of a penis upon > sexual arousal is the wrinkles. I had a very erotic dream last night, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > God Bless and erect dreams!!! > David > Not what you want to hear I am sure, but there is life after impotence. > Near to three years for me, and no sign of life down there. Injections [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Now, tell us more about that erotic dream.... I've followed this thread with interest. I'd like to know how old you all are. Mary Mary, I'm 53 51 yesterday (18th) good posting everybody >> Not what you want to hear I am sure, but there is life after impotence. >> Near to three years for me, and no sign of life down there. Injections [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Mary Happy Birthday, Harry! SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 Non Illegitimi Carborundum > 51 yesterday (18th) > good posting everybody [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> Mary why thank you, thank you very much > Happy Birthday, Harry! > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >>> >>> Mary I would guess we're all between late 40s through mid to late 60s, rather typical of most guys in this newsgroup. Do I detect a hint of amusement in your question - finding it difficult to imagine us old f**ts having erotic dreams? That's where the nocturnal erections come from whether we remember the dreams or not (usually not - unfortunately). We can't help it. That's the way we're made. Dave Perry Actually, we "all" started our journey here at age 58.17. Of the 600+ who have stopped by here in the last 4+ years, 89 have been around more than 5 years. The one with the longest tenure was dx'd in 1993. So, I guess the average age now is well into the 60s. SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 Non Illegitimi Carborundum >I would guess we're all between late 40s through mid to late 60s, > rather typical of most guys in this newsgroup. Do I detect a hint of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > unfortunately). We can't help it. That's the way we're made. > Dave Perry > Actually, we "all" started our journey here at age 58.17. Of the 600+ who > have stopped by here in the last 4+ years, 89 have been around more than 5 > years. The one with the longest tenure was dx'd in 1993. > > So, I guess the average age now is well into the 60s. Do you keep a database, Steve? What a cool service. Kind of like The Fonz, but cooler. >> Actually, we "all" started our journey here at age 58.17. Of the 600+ >> who [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Do you keep a database, Steve? What a cool service. Kind of like The > Fonz, but cooler. Not a database, per se. Just a spreadsheet. I cannot commit to the kind of research that others here do (I still work 40 to 60 hours a week). But, I am anal. So, I can provide a service of listing visitors and some of their data and provide trivia occasionally. It started more as a list to aid my failing memory. I once considered posting on a website somewhere, but realized that a significant percentage would be less forthcoming about themselves if I were to do so. So, if you wanna know who's the oldest, who had cancer the longest, what the average PSA was at dx and where most patients reside, I have it -- so long as you're satisfied with the results coming from a mere 600+ people -- which, Professor Evens would tell you is not nearly statistically significant. SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 Non Illegitimi Carborundum "Steve Kramer" <skramer@cinci.rr.com> wrote... > So, if you wanna know who's the oldest, who had cancer the longest, what > the average PSA was at dx and where most patients reside, ... Steve, don't know if you have this. I am in the Dallas, Texas metroplex. JerryW Noted SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 Non Illegitimi Carborundum > "Steve Kramer" <skramer@cinci.rr.com> wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > JerryW Steve,you can add colophony from Rome, Italy 61 years old RP jan, 2006 Colophony > "Steve Kramer" <skramer@cinci.rr.com> wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > JerryW Noted. SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 Non Illegitimi Carborundum > Steve,you can add colophony from Rome, Italy > 61 years old [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >> >> JerryW Maybe I should give you some more data for the sake of your spreadsheet - Last summer I underwent EBRT but there was no benefit (worth a shot though as I experienced no notable side effects) Diagnosed at 50 PSA 9.6 (my first ever PSA) mid 2001 LRP (1 nerve spared) - lousy pathology (+ SVs) Post op PSAs 0.06, 0.09, 0.11, 0.18, 0.20, 0.24, 0.19, 0.35 repeat 0.34 at that point I underwent EBRT (36 sessions) 3 months later PSA = 0.59 and 4 months after that (7 months post EBRT) 0.74 (end March 2006) Next step will likely be some variant of hormone therapy but will hold off likely 3 - 6 months (S.E.'s) I have perfect quality of life right now. No incontinence, minor ED. There, update your stats! > Noted. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >>> >>> JerryW Had it, Joe, except the last PSA. Damned sorry to see it's still swinging up. Never had your Stage or Gleason though. Do you know those? SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 Non Illegitimi Carborundum > Maybe I should give you some more data for the sake of your spreadsheet - > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >>>> >>>> JerryW Gleason: 6 (post Op) compared with 7 (3 + 4) by biopsy Stage: Both lobes, + SV's - I guess that would make it T3something > Had it, Joe, except the last PSA. Damned sorry to see it's still swinging > up. [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] >>>>> >>>>> JerryW > Gleason: 6 (post Op) compared with 7 (3 + 4) by biopsy > Stage: Both lobes, + SV's - I guess that would make it T3something You are correct, sir, T3c. Same as mine. >I would guess we're all between late 40s through mid to late 60s, > rather typical of most guys in this newsgroup. Do I detect a hint of > amusement in your question - finding it difficult to imagine us old > f**ts having erotic dreams? Heavens! Not at all - although Spouse is 67 like me and he rarely has erotic dreams. Doesn't need them... nor do I ... :-) No, I imagined that you were mostly older and pleased that you weren't crumbling into atrophy, as in popular imagination. Our children used to think that parents didn't 'do it' after thirty, now that the youngest is almost forty I think they've changed their minds. The grandchildren, however ... LOL! Spouse rarely has a spontaneous erection these days either but when he does he doesn't waste it. We don't make love as often as we used to because we're usually too tired when we go to bed so mornings are the only opportunity. I'm being serious and truthful here. I told him about this thread, he was amused and he said that if he has treatment which makes him impotent so be it. Life is even more important. We said something similar when I was diagnosed with breast cancer. We'd rather I lived with no breasts than die with them. In the event I kept my breasts but not for pleasure reasons. I'm now possibly in line for an hysterectomy, that will no doubt affect my overactive oestrogen production (which is keeping me lively but causing endometrial problems). That will be a shame but life is more important. Heck, we've had far more intimate pleasure in our forty seven years of marriage than the average couple, if it doesn't continue it won't be the end of our world. By the way, as well as being 67 I'm fat -12 stones at 5' 3". He's skinny - 8 1/2 stones at 5' 5". He's always been able to see his penis :-) I've always wondered about fat men though - some have such big bellies that I think they can't even reach it to hold it. Do they sit down to pee? Mary > By the way, as well as being 67 I'm fat -12 stones at 5' 3". He's skinny - 8 > 1/2 stones at 5' 5". He's always been able to see his penis :-) I've always > wondered about fat men though - some have such big bellies that I think they > can't even reach it to hold it. Do they sit down to pee? My aunt used to give the men in her house a choice to either sit when peeing or clean the toilets. I think she instilled a lifelong habit in them. I don't think reaching the penis is an issue, its whether or not you can tie your own shoes. >> By the way, as well as being 67 I'm fat -12 stones at 5' 3". He's >> skinny - 8 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > them. I don't think reaching the penis is an issue, its whether or not > you can tie your own shoes. I can still bite my toe nails. But only the big ones. Spouse can't even touch his toes -never could. Mary Sign on a urinal: We aim to please, You aim too, please. Dave Perry > Sign on a urinal: > > We aim to please, > You aim too, please. :-) I have a note on the cistern: Men, please wipe the rim after use. (I realise that it has a different meaning in USA ... A friend stuck another next to it: Women clean the rest of the house. I never understood if it was a request or a statement of fact. Mary > Dave Perry > Sign on a urinal: > > We aim to please, > You aim too, please. > > Dave Perry I never get mad at a toilet seat left up, because I have short legs and I always forget to move the car seat back for normal people. I figure its a fair trade. >> Sign on a urinal: >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I never get mad at a toilet seat left up, because I have short legs and > I always forget to move the car seat back for normal people. No -WE'RE the normal ones. The others are, well unnecessarily long legged. Mary Not only can some guys not reach it, the thing doesn't even stick out beyond the fat. Kind of looks like another "bellybutton". These guys have to sit otherwise it dribbles down the front, and even sitting there's a lot of cleanup after. Dave Perry > Not only can some guys not reach it, the thing doesn't even stick out > beyond the fat. Kind of looks like another "bellybutton". How do you know? Mary Spouse told me. She works in a nursing facility which tends to patients too sick to go home but not sick enough to stay in the hospital. She's seen everything many times over. So there! Dave Perry > Spouse told me. She works in a nursing facility which tends to > patients too sick to go home but not sick enough to stay in the > hospital. She's seen everything many times over. So there! > Dave Perry Ah! What else do you talk about over dinner? :-) Mary Not only can some guys not reach it, the thing doesn't even stick out beyond the fat. Kind of looks like another "bellybutton". How do you know? Mary =========== i remember reading about this condition known as "micro penis" many years ago, so i did some research and found some articles on this. this one is from the BBC. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4071657.stm Op can boost size of micro-penis Surgeons are perfecting a way to build up the size of very small penises, enabling proper urination, and a full sex life. It is estimated that about one in 200 men is born with what is known as a micro-penis. Whereas the average size of the human penis is around 12.5cm (5 inches), a micro-penis spans less than 7cm. University College London surgeons will present their work to the European Society for Sexual Medicine. The technique has been carried out on nine men. Click below to see images. WARNING: These images show male genitals in close-up. In pictures A micro-penis can develop from inadequate levels of the male sex hormone testosterone during the second and third trimesters of pregnancy, or from an inability to respond to testosterone in the normal way. In the past doctors have recommended gender reassignment, so the child was brought up as a girl, but this is a practice which has ceased in recent years. However, there are a number of treatments available. The UCL team has been refining a technique called phalloplasty, or penile enlargement. This involves cutting a flap of skin from the patient's forearm and shaping it into a penis four or five inches long. To maintain erogenous sensation, the original penis is incorporated into the surface of the transplanted skin. Patients receive a urethra to enable them to urinate, and an inflatable penile prosthesis to allow an erection to engage in sexual intercourse. Successful surgery UCL surgeons performed the operation on nine men aged 19 to 43 with a range of medical backgrounds, including three hermaphrodites and two men who had problems with androgen (the group of hormones which includes testosterone), one of whom became deficient in androgen after chemotherapy. Following surgery, all patients were found to be satisfied with the cosmetic appearance of their penis, with four patients able to urinate standing up and four able to have regular sexual intercourse. However, in several cases multiple complications arose, such as an infection or a shift in the prosthesis position, with subsequent revision operations needed. Dr David Ralph, of UCL's Institute of Urology, said: "This operation can change the life of young men, improving their self-esteem and quality of life and allowing many of them to have sexual intercourse, sometimes for the first time in their life. "However, patients should be aware of the high risk of complications from this procedure." knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc Someone asked how old everyone is and Steve K (a wealth of info -- THANKS STEVE), responded that at one time the avg age was just over 58. I'm on of those stats that get thrown out....because I'm 38 (37 at Dx and surgery). For those recently out of RP that are concerned....don't worry about it (I know, easier said than done). Take some of the pressure off yourself and hopefully you (and your wife) will be as blessed as me and my wife. Got my first erection (viagra assisted) about 4-5 weeks post-RP. I started enjoying (and they've gotten even better) unmedicated erections by Thanksgiving (we had SO MUCH to be thankful for!) -- my RRP was August 12, 2005. Keep your chin up!! God bless y'all! Age at Dx -- 37 (June 22, 2005) Assymetric DRE despite PSA of .7 (yes, POINT seven) Gleason 3+3=6, T2b tumor RRP with Alan Partin, MD (Johns Hopkins) on August 12, 2005 Post-surgical report -- no seminal vesicle involvement, margins clear, no lymph node involvement --- fully contained to prostate. Nerves spared. 3 month PSA = <.1 6 month PSA = <.1 Lamentations 3:21-23 OK, first thing I'm gonna do is validate my source. A friend of mine has a cousin who says he knows a man who has a friend named "Dickie Do". He got that name because his belly sticks out further than his "dickie do". I have no idea who first visuall y verified this. Hey Ron B!!!! Good to see you posting, Either you have been and I've missed it. Or you've been quiet. In any case good to see you. I heard through the grapevine you had some great news recently. Congrats and God Bless you. David > By the way, as well as being 67 I'm fat -12 stones at 5' 3". He's skinny - > 8 1/2 stones at 5' 5". He's always been able to see his penis :-) I've > always wondered about fat men though - some have such big bellies that I > think they can't even reach it to hold it. Do they sit down to pee? No, God gave us long arms and a keen sense of direction. 24 stones at 6'6" How much is a stone? In lbs. I used to think 20. But Steve that'd make you 480lbs? 14 lbs....which makes him about 336 lbs. and you don't want to mess with him, right?? (VBG) > How much is a stone? In lbs. I used to think 20. But Steve that'd make > you 480lbs? right!!! > 14 lbs....which makes him about 336 lbs. and you don't want to mess with > him, right?? (VBG) > >> How much is a stone? In lbs. I used to think 20. But Steve that'd make >> you 480lbs? Okay, then it's 24 stones. At least two of which since starting Lupron. (of course, eating whole pigs and cows hasn't helped either). SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 Non Illegitimi Carborundum > How much is a stone? In lbs. I used to think 20. But Steve that'd make > you 480lbs? Sorry, 14 pounds to the stone. Mary > How much is a stone? In lbs. I used to think 20. But Steve that'd make > you 480lbs? Damned Internet conversion programs! I guess it's closer to 16 then. SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 Non Illegitimi Carborundum >> By the way, as well as being 67 I'm fat -12 stones at 5' 3". He's >> skinny - 8 1/2 stones at 5' 5". He's always been able to see his penis [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > No, God gave us long arms and a keen sense of direction. So why don't you use the latter? Mary 51 SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05, 2/06 PSA .07 .05 .06 .09 .08 .132 Non Illegitimi Carborundum >> Not what you want to hear I am sure, but there is life after impotence. >> Near to three years for me, and no sign of life down there. Injections [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Mary > I've followed this thread with interest. I'd like to know how old you all > are. Steve is 49 and I, his wife, am 48. Mary I am 61 and my wife 53; life without a bit of sex is not the same. Colophony >> I've followed this thread with interest. I'd like to know how old you all >> are. > > Steve is 49 and I, his wife, am 48. > Mary > I am 61 and my wife 53; life without a bit of sex is not the same. It's certainly not the same as with a lot. But I imagine that as I get older if the urge or ability goes I'll find other things to do. In my experience something always comes along to fill a hole. Oops ... Mary When Mary Fisher wrote: "I've followed this thread with interest. I'd like to know how old you all are." I thought that she was joking also. I was gonna say that I was 16 with a much older prostate...but Mary's a bright lady and it makes sense that she was asking a REAL question. I'm gonna be 58. My mental age...12 :-) Best to all, Ron B. Chicago > I'm gonna be 58. Ah, but when? Mary >> I'm gonna be 58. > > Ah, but when? > > Mary On his birthday... <vbg> >>> I'm gonna be 58. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > On his birthday... <vbg> And which birthday? Let me guess - his 58th :-) Mary I am 58, 59 in September. The RRP was in 2003. >> Not what you want to hear I am sure, but there is life after impotence. >> Near to three years for me, and no sign of life down there. Injections [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Mary > I've always known that the first thing to come out of a penis upon > sexual arousal is the wrinkles. I had a very erotic dream last night, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > God Bless and erect dreams!!! > David My take on this, from my experience, is that when you need to go potty while asleep, you get slightly erect, (we used to call it a "piss hardon"). which thus fakes you into having an erotic dream of sorts. So instead of the perceived sexual arousal casuing the slight woody, it was the firmness that caused the dream. Chicken or the egg... who cares as long as the wrinkled go away. If I were you I'd get busy with the porn. Strike while the iron is firm, errr I mean hot. -- JK Sinrod www.sinrodstudios.com www.MyConeyIslandMemories Just an observation. This one rivals "Catholics and masturbation" for length of the thread. Has anyone ever tried to do any stats on the longest thread on this ng? >> I've always known that the first thing to come out of a penis upon >> sexual arousal is the wrinkles. I had a very erotic dream last night, [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > www.sinrodstudios.com > www.MyConeyIslandMemories |
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