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Casodex only & testosterone up

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juniper - 11 Apr 2006 23:28 GMT
Is this a spike?  Started Casodex 50 mg once a day exactly a week ago.
His T has been in the 500s.  Had a T today and it was 943.  Not quite
doubled.  He starts Trelstar on Thursday.
P.S. his PSA was "< .04" (confirmed not my typo).  Does Casodex alone
drop PSA? And raise T?  
TIA, laurel
ron - 12 Apr 2006 02:44 GMT
Casodex is supposed to prevent spiking.  Since it blocks the binding of
T to the androgen receptors (located throughout the body), I would
expect T levels in blood to be somewhat increased (don't know if it
would be a lot or a little).  Also, there is a strong diurnal variation
in T levels; changing up to 30-some percent between night (lower) and
morning (higher). Endocrinologists that want to accurately track your T
will collect the blood sample at the same time of day on each
visit...Ron
juniper - 12 Apr 2006 02:46 GMT
> Casodex is supposed to prevent spiking.  Since it blocks the binding of
> T to the androgen receptors (located throughout the body), I would
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> will collect the blood sample at the same time of day on each
> visit...Ron

The last test was about 4 pm and today's was about 8 am.  That fits.
Alan Meyer - 12 Apr 2006 17:15 GMT
> Casodex is supposed to prevent spiking.  Since it blocks the binding of
> T to the androgen receptors (located throughout the body), I would
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> will collect the blood sample at the same time of day on each
> visit...Ron

Ron,

I guess the idea here is that if the receptor sites are blocked
by Casodex, there will be more free testosterone in the
blood stream because it can't bind to the cell receptors.
Is that what you figure is going on?

Maybe too, whatever signals the release of T will also
increase in level if feedback from the body indicates that
more T is needed (because not enough is binding).

The body is certainly an extraordinary biochemical machine.

   Alan
ron - 12 Apr 2006 17:33 GMT
Alan wrote...
Maybe too, whatever signals the release of T will also
increase in level if feedback from the body indicates that
more T is needed (because not enough is binding).
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Good point Alan.  Bottom line is that there can't be a large T spike
when Casodex usage is initiated. After all, spiking is what the Casodex
is supposed to prevent (when LHRH therapy is started).  But I would
suspect that ther might be some kind of T increase when Casodex therapy
is initiated (all that T with no where to go).  Then, the  mechanisms
that control T production would sense this and react accordingly...Ron
 
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