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Medicare Plan D
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jeters@webtv.net - 02 Apr 2006 19:55 GMT Any words of wisdom (negative or positive) in re plan. Am looking into this confusing subject
I.P. Freely - 02 Apr 2006 20:27 GMT > Any words of wisdom (negative or positive) in re plan. Am looking into > this confusing subject I don't know if anyone here is smart enough to make much sense out of that mess. About the best our brightest people can do is cure cancer.
I.P. Hoping Medicare gets simpler before I have to choose
Claude - 03 Apr 2006 00:04 GMT "I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddaboutit@noway.nohow> wrote in message
> I.P. > Hoping Medicare gets simpler before I have to choose Actually, Medicare A and B is very easy to understand.. It's Part D, with multiple private insurance companies involved, that is the swamp.
Steve Jordan - 03 Apr 2006 00:46 GMT > "I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddaboutit@noway.nohow> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > multiple private insurance companies involved, that is the swamp. > Instruction Manual: 1. List your prescription meds. 2. Check that they are included in prospective insurers' formularies. 3. Decide how much of a deductible, if any, you're prepared to pay. 4. Select the company that meets your needs at the lowest price. 5. Sign up.
The only caveat I can think of is to take into consideration how extensive the formulary is. One might have to have more meds later.
A child, or a geezer who is reasonably alert, can do it.
Stop with the hand-wringing. Think. Act like that rare creature, a responsible adult.
Regards,
Steve J
"Think what tedious years of study, thought, practice, experience went to the equipment of that peerless old master who was able to impose upon the whole world the lofty and sounding maxim that 'truth is mighty and will prevail' -- the most majestic compound fracture of fact which any of woman born has yet achieved. For the history of our race and each individual's experience are sown thick with evidence that a truth is not hard to kill, and a lie told well is immortal." -- Mark Twain
> Steve Kramer - 03 Apr 2006 01:10 GMT > Stop with the hand-wringing. Think. Act like that rare creature, a > responsible adult. Bingo!
I.P. Freely - 03 Apr 2006 02:55 GMT >> "I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddaboutit@noway.nohow> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > A child, or a geezer who is reasonably alert, can do it. Wow! 1,162 pages of Part D regulations -- and thousands more pages, websites, books, and press articles -- condensed into five simple steps. Hope that works for me when I hit 65 in '08.
In the meantime, officials from universities, hospitals, health agencies, advocacy agencies, and watchdog groups say the decision is so difficult that even reaching an approximate, temporary choice will be very difficult given the incredible number of complex, ill-defined choices with huge variations in prices and features. Just avoiding the donut is in itself a huge issue ... or so the pundits tell us.
In just one week, Kansas alone has paid out more than $1 million [in free drugs to help people get through their crashed Medicare D system] and fielded calls for help from 14,000 people. Missouri estimates it may have to spend several million dollars per month. One report offered this gem: "The only easy way to compare costs and benefits of competing plans, for example, is to use tools on Medicare’s Web site, www.medicare.gov " .... but that doesn't account for the many state-to-state variations, and ... how "easy" is using that website?
I suspect Jeter's concern is valid, but a) I won't know first-hand for another two years, and b) my info comes from ... gasp ... the media and the internet. Is the problem 1) real or hype, 2) a problem only for people whose primary education source is TV Guide, or 3) simply a teething problem which will dissipate quickly with experience?
I.P.
Claude - 03 Apr 2006 03:48 GMT >> "I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddaboutit@noway.nohow> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Steve J Let me inform you of something, Steve. The majority of people eligible for Medicare Part D do not have computers and/or are not computer literate. You need that to do your Steps 2 and 4. I happen to have a computer, I am computer literate, and I have two post-graduate degrees. And I had a hell of a time trying to figure out in which program I should enroll my mother--who is in a nursing home---and whose drug names, forms, and dosages do not always correlate with those listed in the formularies. I am a responsible adult. I do think. So does that little old lady, living alone on a Social Security pension who doesnt have a computer. Please be careful with the arrogant responses.
Regards,
Claude
From Bob - 03 Apr 2006 08:37 GMT In my case, Plan D has been a DISASTER, as my benefits now are much less than before.
Previously my hmo providd for Unlimited Generic drug coverage, and a cap of $2000 per year on Name Brand Drugs. Now under the New Part D, i No Longer have Unlimited Generic Drug coverage, but my coverage is now limited to a TOTAL cap of $2000 per year for ALL Drugs. Under the Paer D plans, not only do you pay a Monthly Premium and Co-Payments, but your Gross coverage is Limited to $2000 per year, anything over that is out of your pocket. With Pca, Diabetes, Hypertension, heart disease, elevated choluesterol, etc, it will wind up costing you thousands. Part D has not been a benefit, but a Regression of coverage (Benefits). Ultimately all private insurers will REDUCE there coverage to conform to the new Part D.
FYI ~ Casodex costs $15 per pill, A one month supply is $450. Lupron -30mg. injection, costs $2500 . ( twenty-five hundred dollars ). Funny that the Lupron is made by a Japanese Company.
For anyone using a large number of medications, after exhausting the $2000 per year cap, they would be better off purchasing the remainder of there drug needs from Canada, at a savings of 30 - 40 percent. I would caution all to avoid ANY drugs made in MEXICO.
Alan Meyer - 04 Apr 2006 05:20 GMT > Instruction Manual: > 1. List your prescription meds. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The only caveat I can think of is to take into consideration how extensive the formulary > is. One might have to have more meds later. That last caveat looks like a show stopper to me. How do you figure out what meds you will need later when you develop - what - heart disease? kidney disease? Alzheimer's disease? who knows?
What if one plan has a little more extensive formulary, but fewer of the drugs you need right now, and another is vice versa?
What about the drugs that are being invented this year and next year and aren't in anyone's formulary yet? How do you know who is going to cover them?
Are there guarantees that the drugs covered this year will be the same ones covered next year when you go to renew your insurance?
I'm not an expert on this and, because I'm not old enough to qualify, I haven't yet put in any time studying it. Still, I can't recall any other government benefit program that was this convoluted and confusing, or that put quite so much burden on the citizen to make difficult choices with insufficient information.
Alan
Claude - 04 Apr 2006 13:36 GMT >> Instruction Manual: >> 1. List your prescription meds. [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Alan Bingo! And for the most limited and vulnerable part of our population.
I.P. Freely - 04 Apr 2006 20:48 GMT > I can't recall > any other government benefit program that was this convoluted > and confusing, or that put quite so much burden on the citizen > to make difficult choices with insufficient information. And maybe among the least necessary, according to some reputable pundits. What, for example, did Jeter get in return for his 290% increase in cost under D?
I had no idea what an advantage I was gaining in so many ways when I fell into a career in the military, including among many other benefits its medical system. So far it seems to be a good compromise between the non-existent "free lifetime medical care" we were falsely promised and the constipated hidebound mediocre system it COULD be if it weren't really quite flexible.
I.P.
I.P. Freely - 03 Apr 2006 02:15 GMT > "I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddaboutit@noway.nohow> wrote in message >> I.P. >> Hoping Medicare gets simpler before I have to choose > > It's Part D, with > multiple private insurance companies involved, that is the swamp. I THINK that was the topic. ;-)
I.P.
judamd@aol.com - 02 Apr 2006 23:27 GMT I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination but I do know you can lose your existing insurance coverage if you sign up for a drug plan outside your present provider. For instance, if you have a private insurance that con-insures with Medicare, and if you sign up for Part D with another provider, Medicare will consider you to be double dipping in drug coverage and drop you from your existing plan and since your existing plan is no longer being supplemented by Medicare, they drop you too. End result, no health insurance and good luck getting it back. Always consult with your present provider first before doing anything even if the drugs you take are a lot less expensive through another service. It's all too easy to end up in disaster mode. Dave Perry
seamus318 - 03 Apr 2006 20:25 GMT > Any words of wisdom (negative or positive) in re plan. Am looking into > this confusing subject In November the company I retired from fifteen years ago cancelled our medical and prescription coverage, effective January 1, 2006. We signed with a company that provides medical and Medicare D. No problem whatsoever changing from one plan to the other. The cost for the both of us increased from $130 to $507 per month. We have the basic Medicare D plan, with the doughnut hole covered. We pay 25% on all prescriptions. The first thing we did was contact our doctor to change from brand names to generics.
Dick Chiles - 03 Apr 2006 20:37 GMT > Any words of wisdom (negative or positive) in re plan. Am looking into > this confusing subject There is plenty of information out there, starting with medicare.gov. I use a log of expensive drugs and I expect to save around $2000 per year. The people telling you it is a bad plan are the "hate Bush" crowd.
Skeeter
Alan Meyer - 04 Apr 2006 20:03 GMT ...
> There is plenty of information out there, starting with medicare.gov. I use > a log of expensive drugs and I expect to save around $2000 per year. The > people telling you it is a bad plan are the "hate Bush" crowd. ...
There's no doubt that the people who already hate Bush were not endeared to him by this plan. You're absolutely right that they are after him for it.
But I have read that even a lot of Republican congressmen are also backing away from this plan and criticising it.
Alan
---MIKE--- - 05 Apr 2006 01:17 GMT >But I have read that even a lot of > Republican congressmen are also > backing away from this plan and > criticising it. It wouldn't surprise me if democrats take over congress next year that Medicare D will be scrapped. The present system rewards the drug producers.
---MIKE---
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