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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / March 2006

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Howard and Hope - 30 Mar 2006 01:41 GMT
Hi, Just heard from my younger brother Paul (59) that Ca cells found in
urine and lump on prostate...Trying to get him into this group...what is
cause of ca in urine ? He is scheduled for biopsy. As for me, PSA still
<0.01..Thanks                Howie
Bill - 30 Mar 2006 17:05 GMT
A biopsy of the prostate? W/ PSA <.01? If he has PCa it will be a blow
to everything we know about PSA as a reliable biomarker. Also, this
will be the first time I have heard of PCa found via a urine test. If
PCa could be found when PSA is undetectable, it would be the test of
choice. On the other hand, that is the way bladder cancer is often
found. If it is PCa it is way early so no need to rush into a biopsy,
and I certainly would not have one unless and until my uro has
explained why this isn't bladder cancer. He should perhaps have a
cytoscopic examination of the bladder. And get him in a bladder cancer
group too.

CAVEAT: The foregoing assumes typical adenocarcinoma of the prostate;
it is possible (but it would be rare on initial Dx) that he has small
cell carcinoma, which does not result in high PSA. Or transitional cell
carcinoma, which is similar to bladder cancer and may be more apt to
show up in urine. But I would think they would have known what kind of
Ca it is from the pathology of the urine. Perhaps they do - are you
sure he has told you everything? And you us?

Bill Denton
RP 2/12/02
PSA .67
Memphis
Justin Case - 30 Mar 2006 17:25 GMT
: A biopsy of the prostate? W/ PSA <.01? If he has PCa it will be a blow
: to everything we know about PSA as a reliable biomarker.

Have I misunderstood something here?  I believe Howard was referring to his
own low PSA, not his brother's.

Ken Bland
Howard and Hope - 31 Mar 2006 23:05 GMT
True Ken, Thanks
judamd@aol.com - 30 Mar 2006 17:41 GMT
Low PSA was not brother's, rather poster's.  My uncle had prostate
cancer diagnosed in pre-PSA days by investigating the cause of occult
blood in urine.  He was one of the early radiation patients and died of
a heart attack many years later, apparently cancer-free.
Dave Perry

> A biopsy of the prostate? W/ PSA <.01? If he has PCa it will be a blow
> to everything we know about PSA as a reliable biomarker. Also, this
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> PSA .67
> Memphis
Howard and Hope - 31 Mar 2006 03:34 GMT
Guess we got confused...I meant MY latest PSA was <0.01 after prostate
removed a year ago...It's my brother who has been diag'd with C cells in
urine..his PSA not too bad but up and down plus he has a lump on
prostate..   Howie
Bill - 31 Mar 2006 17:08 GMT
Sorry, Howard, as anamolous as that was, I should have read it closer.

But I'm still curious about the urine test because I have not heard of
anything like that in use today. And I still would not have a biopsy
until I knew more about it.

Bill Denton
RP 2/12/02
PSA .67
Memphis
ron - 31 Mar 2006 17:17 GMT
Bill...There is the urine-based uPM3 test (don't know if this is what
Howard's brother used though) from Bostwick Labs...Ron

http://www.bostwicklaboratories.com/patientservices/uPM3.html

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