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turtletrot1@bellsouth.net - 16 Mar 2006 13:55 GMT
About "seeds."   Not used for "large prostate."    Is this so, and
why???
From Bob - 16 Mar 2006 14:37 GMT
My understanding is that a prostate under 42 grams is preferred as it is
easier to cover the entire area with seeds, without missing sections.
However larger prostates can be reduced in size, using proscar or
Lupriton, to make seed inplants feasible.
ron - 16 Mar 2006 15:50 GMT
Just keep in mind, such "shrinkage" comes at a price...Ron

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/524380?src=mp

Compared with a group of patients who had similar prostate volumes but
did not receive prebrachytherapy ADT, those who had been treated with
ADT had higher rates of:

Prolonged catheterization;
Surgical intervention to correct urinary dysfunction; and
Long-term incontinence.

In another analysis comparing quality of life in men who received
neoadjuvant hormonal therapy prior to either external beam radiation
therapy or brachytherapy, both general quality of life and measures of
bladder, bowel, and sexual function were worse in patients whose
treatment included hormonal therapy compared with patients who were
only treated with radiation.
Steve Jordan - 16 Mar 2006 18:01 GMT
On March 16, ron wrote, in pertinent part:

(snip)

> In another analysis comparing quality of life in men who received
> neoadjuvant hormonal therapy prior to either external beam radiation
> therapy or brachytherapy, both general quality of life and measures of
> bladder, bowel, and sexual function were worse in patients whose
> treatment included hormonal therapy compared with patients who were
> only treated with radiation.

I'd very much appreciate it if Ron would specify his source for this.

TIA.

Regards,

Steve J
ron - 16 Mar 2006 18:40 GMT
Hi Steve...All of the text below the medscape url is a contiguous part
of a recent medscape article.  The medscape url will take you to the
page with that text...Ron
Steve Kramer - 16 Mar 2006 18:47 GMT
> About "seeds."   Not used for "large prostate."    Is this so, and
> why???

I would not say that it is "not" used for large prostate, but it is less
effective the larger the prostate.  Several issues:

Not recommended for someone with a gland larger that 50 grams...  anything
over 50 or 60 grams, even in the most skilled hands, may be too large to
treat safely with seeds, increasing the risk of acute urinary retention
after the implant and adding to the risk tha thprostate will not be saturted
with enough seeds to affet a cure. -- Scardino

However, initial use of HT may shrink the gland ot the ideal weight of 40
grams.

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Clarence Crow - 17 Mar 2006 02:01 GMT
>About "seeds."   Not used for "large prostate."    Is this so, and
>why???
Steve Kramer is right on re the max. gland size and sufficient
coverage.

Permanent Seeds can also migrate and cause all sorts of problems.

I had a 72cc Prostate and it didn't shrink much on ADT...around 65cc,
but I had HDR Temporary Brachytherapy where they wound up the dose and
the intensity "to boil the whole Prostate into one huge Blister" (as
quoted by one of the Technicians during my blasts.)
With Permanent Seeds, you cannot do this.

My outcome, however, is not so good, having had severe Urinary
problems like partial blockage and large retention rates for 8 mths
now. Self-Catherisation is an option for Emergencies, but I've ducked
it due to the No. of guys back in Hospital on IV drips clearing up
Infections from over use re-use, plus it makes the Bladder Sphincter
lazy and you have to retrain yourself to Urinate by doing Kegel
Exercises under supervision of a Continence Educator.

The bad part is, I have to wait a minimum of 12 mths for the tissue to
grow back for a TURP to ease the problem.

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-- CC
Tom Cular - 17 Mar 2006 03:03 GMT
>>About "seeds."   Not used for "large prostate."    Is this so, and
>>why???
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>
> -- CC

On the other hand, my prostate was around 65cc prior to any treatment.
Following Lupron for six months it was about 23cc when they performed the
seed implants.

The Lupron was the biggest annoyance, the side effects from the
brachytherapy were predictably short lived and controlled with a little
medication.

Tom
work - 19 Mar 2006 00:48 GMT
According to the info I received from my  HMO before my brachytherapy, this
is the reason large prostates are not suited for implants.

"Large prostate glands(>50 cc) are often too wide and thick to implant as
the bones forming the pubic arch block accurate placement of the seeds in
the periphery of the gland."

"In this situation it is necessary to shrink the gland before PSI can be
performed",
Woody
> About "seeds."   Not used for "large prostate."    Is this so, and
> why???
docsafari@hotmail.com - 19 Mar 2006 21:36 GMT
Yes, in my experience. The reason seems to be that a very large
prostate requires more seeds to effectively irradiate the entire
prostate, thus increasing inflammation and swelling in the surrounding
tissues-- leading to, among other things, more bladder and urethra
inflammation, urine retention and radiation proctitis.  I know, because
I have had these problems for 9 months.  Good idea to shrink the
prostate first.
 
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