Here is another data point relating to this frequently discussed issue.
Full text is not yet available for free on-line. If someone
interested in this topic does get the full text, I'd be curious to hear
back what kind of overall survival benefits they report...Ron
J Clin Oncol. 2005 Nov 10;23(32):8225-31
Early versus delayed androgen deprivation for prostate cancer: new fuel
for an old debate.
Ryan CJ, Small EJ.
UCSF Comprehensive Cancer Center, 1600 Divisadero St, San Francisco CA
94143, USA. ryanc@medicine.ucsf.edu
The purpose of this review is to discuss the recent increase in data
supporting the use of androgen ablation early in the clinical course
for patients with nonmetastatic prostate cancer. We systematically
reviewed recent publications that report on the use of androgen
deprivation (AD) in nonmetastatic prostate cancer patients from the
2003 and 2004 proceedings of the American Society of Clinical Oncology,
the 2003 and 2004 proceedings of the American Urological Association as
well as published literature from 2003 to 2005. Five recently published
mature randomized trials of AD plus local therapy were evaluated plus
two large data sets on the use of AD for patients with serologic
relapse after local therapy. Four mature randomized studies demonstrate
an overall survival benefit to the use of AD in conjunction with
definitive local therapy (three with radiation and one with surgery).
One retrospective analysis suggests that AD administered early after
serologic progression improves overall survival, and one retrospective
analysis shows a reduction in metastasis-free survival but has not yet
shown an overall survival benefit. For patients with nonmetastatic
prostate cancer with high-risk features, as well as those for serologic
relapse, the use of AD before the development of metastatic disease is
supported by long-term outcomes from a series of clinical trials.
Consideration of AD is therefore warranted early in the clinical course
of high-risk patients.
PMID: 16278477
Di ck Winters - 15 Mar 2006 17:35 GMT
For what it is worth this is my experience. Nine years ago my prostate
was removed after my first every PSA test came back 45.5. Biopsy
results were 6's, 7's and an 8. Bone scan was negative and lymph nodes
were also clear. PSA tests were quarterly. After three years the PSA
went from <0.1 to 1.6. A one month Lupron shot brought it down to 0.8.
Another one-month Lupron shot and one month later the PSA was 1.3.
Doctor say "Let's wait until it gets to 2." I said "Let's start now.
Result 3-month Lupron shot and prescription for Casodex. PSA stayed at
<0.1 for three years. PSA was then 0,6 and Dr. stopped Casodex. One
month later PSA a <0.1 and has stayed there since with quarterly Lupron
shots. It has now been nine years since surgery. My next appointment
is April.
Leonard Evens - 15 Mar 2006 18:25 GMT
> For what it is worth this is my experience. Nine years ago my prostate
> was removed after my first every PSA test came back 45.5. Biopsy
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> shots. It has now been nine years since surgery. My next appointment
> is April.
I don't mean to question your treatment. There are a lot of
uncertainties, and no one has definitively proved one way or another
that early hormone treatment is beneficial. In such circumstances you
have to go with what makes the best sense to you and stick with it
unless you learn otherwise.
But the scientific question, still unanswered, I think, is whether early
hormone therapy delays the development of clinical symptoms of
metastatic disease. It will certainly lower PSA, but, according to
Walsh and some other experts, that is only because the hormone dependent
cancer cells are being controlled. It is thought by these people, based
on some evidence, that hormone indepedent cancer cells are there from
the beginning and it is those cells that eventually predominate and kill
the patient. Others disagree and believe that early hormone therapy can
delay the development of hormone indepedent cancer cells.
The evidence quoted by ron seems to suggest that the latter theory is
more correct, at least for high risk patients: early hormone therapy can
slow the development of metastatic cancer. One thing I'm not certain
about is that the situation with respect to radiation and surgery may be
different. In the case of radiation, the hormone therapy may be
helping to kill the original tumor. To answer the scientitic question,
it would be better to concentrate on surgical patients.
I.P. Freely - 16 Mar 2006 03:44 GMT
ron quoted:
> The purpose of this review is to discuss the recent increase in data
> supporting the use of androgen ablation early in the clinical course
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Consideration of AD is therefore warranted early in the clinical course
> of high-risk patients.
Only one word of this surprises me, and I fully agree with its closing
advice, with two admonitions: Quantify ADT's benefit and make sure its
"consideration" includes its SEs thoroughly -- their severities,
likelihoods, treatments, and the SEs and treatments of the ADT SE
treatments.
The surprising word is "reduction"; I'd think that "[a] retrospective
analysis would show an INCREASE in metastasis-free survival".
I.P.