A family member has been successfully treated for prostate cancer
twice. The down side is that the second time his pain and incontenance
has never subsided. It must be over a year by now. He has seen two
doctors and both more or less said they can't do anything. I don't
fully understand why he's still experiencing pain if the cancer is
cured. The incontenance is a result of using a catheter that was too
large so I suppose it may never be cured unless it's redone. To re-do
the procedure is out of the question if he's still in pain. Any
suggestions?
Steve Jordan - 13 Feb 2006 00:29 GMT
> A family member has been successfully treated for prostate cancer
> twice. The down side is that the second time his pain and incontenance
> has never subsided.
I would not consider what little is reported to be successful treatment
(tx) of prostate cancer (PCa).
> It must be over a year by now. He has seen two
> doctors and both more or less said they can't do anything.
Are these "doctors" urologists? Do they have a record of successful tx
of PCa? If not, it's time and past time to do some research. See the
website of the Prostate Cancer Research Institute at:
http://prostate-cancer.org/index.html
and search on any question.
> I don't
> fully understand why he's still experiencing pain if the cancer is
> cured.
Is it? Don't bet his life on it.
I recommend, in addition to the above website, consultation with a
medical oncologist, preferably one who is experienced in the tx of PCa.
(S)he may be able to recommend a urologist who is qualified to treat PCa.
Regards,
Steve J
"We must tailor the treatment to the nature of the disease. We must
listen to the biology."
-- Stephen B. Strum, MD
wipeout64@hotmail.com - 13 Feb 2006 02:29 GMT
Wow! I'm very glad I asked. Thanks!
> > A family member has been successfully treated for prostate cancer
> > twice. The down side is that the second time his pain and incontenance
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> listen to the biology."
> -- Stephen B. Strum, MD
I.P. Freely - 13 Feb 2006 00:41 GMT
>A family member has been successfully treated for prostate cancer
> twice. The down side is that the second time his pain and incontenance
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> the procedure is out of the question if he's still in pain. Any
> suggestions?
A. We never know whether our cancer is cured, not even when we die of a
heart attack a decade later. Any doctor who says it's cured probably sells
used cars on the weekends. Strike One.
B. A doctor who says he can't cure surgical pain on meat (as opposed to,
say, the spinal chord) is highly suspect. Strike Two.
C. Get your relative and all his records to a better doctor (key word if
they balk: "HIS" records). Your docs aren't telling you the whole story,
which could include anything from incompetence to a metastasis no one can
cure but which could still receive palliative (pain) treatment.
Excess pain is unnecessary. In a case like this the underlying problem
should be treatable. If the underlying problem really can't be corrected,
the pain itself should be treatable. The former may require more surgery,
but surgery shouldn't hurt (that's what drugs are for), so he should be
eager to fix the underlying problem IF you guys can find a surgeon you have
faith in. Tell us where your relative is, and probably one of us can
recommend one nearby.
I.P.
Bob Anthony - 13 Feb 2006 14:53 GMT
> A. We never know whether our cancer is cured, not even when we die of a
> heart attack a decade later. Any doctor who says it's cured probably sells
> used cars on the weekends. Strike One.
Dr. Patrick Walsh proclaimed John Kerry as cured of his PCa...just
before the election. I wonder if politics were involved? ;)
I.P. Freely - 13 Feb 2006 23:59 GMT
>> A. We never know whether our cancer is cured, not even when we die of
>> a heart attack a decade later. Any doctor who says it's cured probably
>> sells used cars on the weekends. Strike One.
>
> Dr. Patrick Walsh proclaimed John Kerry as cured of his PCa...just
> before the election. I wonder if politics were involved? ;)
Just like Dick Cheney's heart is perfectly healthy.
I.P.
Steve Kramer - 14 Feb 2006 00:44 GMT
>>> A. We never know whether our cancer is cured, not even when we die of a
>>> heart attack a decade later. Any doctor who says it's cured probably
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>
> Just like Dick Cheney's heart is perfectly healthy.
And Roosevelt could stand on his own.
dave481 - 15 Feb 2006 20:12 GMT
And the Kennedys could swim
dave481 - 15 Feb 2006 20:15 GMT
I apologize, I shouldn't have said that.
Bob Anthony - 14 Feb 2006 04:17 GMT
> Just like Dick Cheney's heart is perfectly healthy.
>
> I.P.
Hopefully his heart is better than his aim! :)
B.A.
Stavros - 14 Feb 2006 17:06 GMT
That is REALLY funny!
>> Just like Dick Cheney's heart is perfectly healthy.
>>
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>
> B.A.
dave481 - 15 Feb 2006 20:14 GMT
Stavros - 14 Feb 2006 17:05 GMT
Is the Pope Catholic?
>> A. We never know whether our cancer is cured, not even when we die of a
>> heart attack a decade later. Any doctor who says it's cured probably
>> sells used cars on the weekends. Strike One.
>
> Dr. Patrick Walsh proclaimed John Kerry as cured of his PCa...just before
> the election. I wonder if politics were involved? ;)
dave481 - 15 Feb 2006 20:12 GMT
Please don't bring politics to this NG. I WILL DIE!!!!
Thank-you
God Bless all
Dave
Alan Meyer - 13 Feb 2006 04:34 GMT
>A family member has been successfully treated for prostate cancer
> twice. The down side is that the second time his pain and incontenance
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> the procedure is out of the question if he's still in pain. Any
> suggestions?
If you post more information, there may be someone here
who has faced a similar problem and can give advice about
what he did about it.
What treatment did the family member get? The two common
treatments, surgery and radiation, are normally only given once
though "one" radiation treatment can be a bit at a time over a
two month period.
What kind of pain is he experiencing? Is it pain from the cancer
or pain caused by the after-effects of radiation or surgery?
I would be surprised if the incontinence was caused by a too
large catheter. I haven't heard of that one before. However
long term incontinence does sometimes result from surgery.
The parts of the urinary system that block the flow of urine
are damaged during surgery and don't always recover
completely.
Incontinence can't always be cured, but it can be
alleviated. There are clamp like devices that people use
effectively. I have never used one, but some people in
this newsgroup have and can share their experiences.
Good luck.
Alan
wipeout64@hotmail.com - 18 Feb 2006 20:57 GMT
Sorry, for the delay. I don't hang in the newsgroups during the week.
RE: I believe he's experiencing pain from an operation performed
afterward to enlarge the opening with a catheter. This procedure had to
be performed twice and the second time, too much cutting was done. I've
since learned that he's on medication to decrease swelling and has been
on it for several months.
RE: There are clamp like devices that people use
effectively. - this sounds painful. Is it? Do you know what it's called
so I can research this? Thanks
> >A family member has been successfully treated for prostate cancer
> > twice. The down side is that the second time his pain and incontenance
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>
> Alan
DonC - 19 Feb 2006 05:37 GMT
> Sorry, for the delay. I don't hang in the newsgroups during the week.
>
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> effectively. - this sounds painful. Is it? Do you know what it's called
> so I can research this? Thanks
Here's one: http://www.squeezerklip.com/index.htm
However, don't think of this as an all day device. I had one and it does
become somewhat painful after 4 or 6 hours. The trick is to install it tight
enough to be dry but not so tight as to cut off blood flow.
wipeout64@hotmail.com - 19 Feb 2006 13:17 GMT
Thanks
> > Sorry, for the delay. I don't hang in the newsgroups during the week.
> >
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> become somewhat painful after 4 or 6 hours. The trick is to install it tight
> enough to be dry but not so tight as to cut off blood flow.