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dave481 - 31 Jan 2006 15:40 GMT
I'm new here, also to groups and computers. I went in on 1-20-06 for a
hernia repair and colonoscopy. The Dr. found a large growth in my colon
and is going to remove it 2-24-06. But something alerted him and he
sent me to a urologist. The digital exam was so painful I nearly went
to my knees. I'm set for a biopsy in 2 weeks. I've been driving a truck
4 yrs (53 yrs. old) and was a cowboy for 28 yrs. before that. I'm told
both are hard on the prostate. Anyhow I have been in a lot of pain for
about 6 mos. (a lot worse in the last 3 mos.) And have frequent
urination, painful and urgent for at least a year. As well as
absolutely no semen production in sexual activity. My left hip-bone
hurts all the time, and I feel like I'm sitting on a hard green apple.
I wouldn't be so concerned had they not found the colon growth first.
Does anyone here relate to these symtoms?

Thank-you
David
Bob Anthony - 31 Jan 2006 17:31 GMT
David:

Did the uro give you a PSA test? Was that the something that alerted him
to send you to the uro? If so, what are the numbers? You should find
this out asap. (This is a blood test by the way.) Prostate cancer does
not hurt the way you discribed unless it is at an advanced stage. The
prostate can hurt for other more benign reasons, like an infection.
Colon cancer is not related to prostate cancer. There are members here
that can address that issue better than I. I'm sure that you'll get more
responses from them soon.

B.A.
dave481 - 31 Jan 2006 17:58 GMT
BA,
Thank-you for the reply. No the uro took blood for the psa and I don't
know when I'll hear from him. It is a relief though to hear that the
colon and prostate are not related. I've been putting the two together
in my mind, thinking, well if it was just one or the other but two at
once? They MUST be related...lol it's easy to get alarmed. My sister
showed me how to use these groups and I sure welcome the feedback and
experienced info.
I'm not sure what alerted the first surgeon unless he noticed the
swelling in the course of the examination. However the uro said that my
prostate was very misshapen, large, and hard on one side in particular.
Thanks again BA
David
I.P. Freely - 31 Jan 2006 20:44 GMT
> BA,
> Thank-you for the reply. No the uro took blood for the psa and I don't
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Thanks again BA
> David

While prostate and colon cancer CAN be related, neither is a common target
of spread of the other. CT scans looking for prostate cancer metastasis
discovered that I had no PC "mets" but DID have a colon mass that turned out
to be independent colon cancer, a rare type that can kill quickly by
destroying the liver (that's often how it's discovered). Because my PC led
to early discovery of my CC, several doctors have said my PC saved my life.
Time will tell, as both were aggressive enough that they are likely to
return. It's certain that my surgery legthened my life, even if just by
keeping my carcinoid colon cancer at bay, let alone any cancer development
delay, and the surgery was no big deal. It is easy for the doctors to
determine whether your problems are related because PC is PC even when it
appears in a lung or a toe. A rose is a rose is a rose, so to speak, even if
it's found in a bed of petunias. My colon cancer was also identifiable as a
"primary" cancer, meaning it is a source and not a "met" from somewhere
else.

If your uro doesn't notify you of your PSA results within 3-4 days of the
blood draw, call his office and ask for the result. With that apple in your
crotch and another in your colon, every week of delay may matter; if they
drag their feet, direct YOUR feet to another uro. You're in a race to
determine whether a) you have PC, b) prostate removal is your best option,
and c) whether both cancers can be removed in one surgery.

Think about that: One surgery to get rid of both cancers. Such a deal, IF
prostate surgery is appropriate in your case. As soon as my PC CT scan
discovered my colon cancer and it was too big to remove during a colonoscopy
(it was discomforting, but not uncomfortable, watching the doc try to cut
out a 3.6 cm colon tumor real time on the TEE VEE), I began searching for 1)
the best solution to the PC and ultimately 2) a surgical team willing and
able to remove both cancers simultaneously. THINK OF THE POSSIBILITIES: ONE
RECOVERY! Turns out that a university/VA team was not only willling but
EAGER to do both in one procedure, especially since the colon repair itself
takes very little time once the colon is exposed. The prostate guy cut a
longer opening than usual, removed the prostate, then "handed the knife to
the colon surgeon" so to speak, who did his thing and zipped me up.

Aside from your likelihood of a very advanced prostate problem, you're in a
hurry because your colon cancer is probably urgent, and you don't want to be
opened up twice when once will do. Get these docs in high gear, and get 'em
working together towards a prompt common solution IF it's feasible.

On the other hand ... maybe you don't want EITHER surgery if you do in fact
have advanced metastasized PC. You need two oncologists -- colon and uro --  
to get their heads together and determine your best route. Surgeons
specialize in cutting; oncologists can better evaluate the likely paths of
your cancer(s), and thus their priorities. Mine were both early enough --  
just barely -- that surgery was a no-brainer for EACH of them, let alone
both together. Either or both of yours could be a whole different ball game.
That's why you need data and advice from oncologists, not just uros and/or
surgeons. And it's why you are in a hurry.

I accelerated my treatment by several months by helping the various doctors
and labs and receptionists get their acts together. I'd set up appointments
close together, call receptionists before appts to make sure they had
everything they needed, hand-carry results if it helped speed things up,
inform all the above if my next appt was coming up quickly (same or next day
sometimes) so they were motivated to get to me quickly if they had any
options, and whenever it would help I made sure the people I was trying to
herd along knew I had two aggressive cancers in my belly. Playing my Gleason
8 (aggressive PC biopsy result) card knocked 2-3 months off my first VA uro
appt delay all my itself. If you let this process run at its own speed,
you're enhancing your risks of two separate and almost redundant surgeries
AND unnecessary cancer advancement.

I'm guessing you use finesse rather than brute force whether you're herding
cattle or 4-wheelers to do your bidding; now's the time to use those same
skills with doctors and labs and their staffs. As long as they perceive that
you're helping them rather than herding them, and as long as people
understand any urgency you occasionally mention if necessary, the medical
bureaucracy can be nudged into a full gallop or 18th gear fairly
effectively. The oncologists are the ones who determine your degree of
urgency; they can't complain if you reflect it back at 'em.

I.P.
Bob Anthony - 31 Jan 2006 20:55 GMT
> While prostate and colon cancer CAN be related, neither is a common target
> of spread of the other.

Well stated as usual I.P. That's what I really meant to say, and I hoped
that you would see his post and answer it in the way that you did.

B.A.
I.P. Freely - 31 Jan 2006 20:58 GMT
>> While prostate and colon cancer CAN be related, neither is a common
>> target of spread of the other.
>
> Well stated as usual I.P. That's what I really meant to say, and I hoped
> that you would see his post and answer it in the way that you did.

Beats hitting him over the head with a 2X4, doesn't it?  ;-)

I.P.
dave481 - 31 Jan 2006 23:14 GMT
Thank-you all for the responses and I'm certainly glad to find the
site.  IP, my first dr. had exactly that plan (doing two surgeries at
once) when he saw the mass on the colonoscopy.
But I will stay on top of it. No one speaks like experience and you
guys have it. I suppose I will too.  I heard once that most experience
comes from series of unfortunate events, or something like that, but
y'all get the drift I'm sure. Anyhow, will keep in touch and post
regularly as this event plays out. till later
David
dave481 - 31 Jan 2006 17:59 GMT
BA,
Thank-you for the reply. No the uro took blood for the psa and I don't
know when I'll hear from him. It is a relief though to hear that the
colon and prostate are not related. I've been putting the two together
in my mind, thinking, well if it was just one or the other but two at
once? They MUST be related...lol it's easy to get alarmed. My sister
showed me how to use these groups and I sure welcome the feedback and
experienced info.
I'm not sure what alerted the first surgeon unless he noticed the
swelling in the course of the examination. However the uro said that my
prostate was very misshapen, large, and hard on one side in particular.
Thanks again BA
David
dave481 - 31 Jan 2006 18:01 GMT
BA,
Thank-you for the reply. No the uro took blood for the psa and I don't
know when I'll hear from him. It is a relief though to hear that the
colon and prostate are not related. I've been putting the two together
in my mind, thinking, well if it was just one or the other but two at
once? They MUST be related...lol it's easy to get alarmed. My sister
showed me how to use these groups and I sure welcome the feedback and
experienced info.
I'm not sure what alerted the first surgeon unless he noticed the
swelling in the course of the examination. However the uro said that my
prostate was very misshapen, large, and hard on one side in particular.
Thanks again BA
David
Ron B - 31 Jan 2006 19:24 GMT
God Bless YOU David.

I agree that your lifestyle may have been hard on the prostate...but one
thing at a time.

Your docs will take care of the colon...and then...you'll deal with the
rest, one thing at a time.

Maybe the pain is related to something that can be handled.

Try to get the best info that you can and ask as many questions as you
are able.

I, and everyone else wishes you the very best.

Keep us posted cowboy.  :-)

Ron B.

Chicago

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