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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / January 2006Saw Palmetto effects
My doctor (GP) recommended trying Saw Palmetto to give me a better "flow". It does help but there is a down side. When I feel the urge, I better go quickly or suffer some leakage. Does anyone else have this problem. I had seed implants about 7 years ago). ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') The only concern I woudl ahve Mike (and I can't remember if I've raised this before regarding your case), is that you have a slowly rising PSA and Sal Palmetto is alleged to mask PSA. As such, you may not have a reliable indicator as to your PCa situation. BTW, did you have another PSA in October 05?  SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05 PSA .07 .05 .06 .05 .08 Non Illegitimi Carborundum My doctor (GP) recommended trying Saw Palmetto to give me a better "flow". It does help but there is a down side. When I feel the urge, I better go quickly or suffer some leakage. Does anyone else have this problem. I had seed implants about 7 years ago). ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') Steve wrote: >>BTW, did you have another PSA in >> October 05? I had one in September and it was 3.24. It seems to be hanging right in that area. I'm aware that there is some belief that Saw Palmetto can cause a lowering of the PSA. Maybe I should stop the SP for a few weeks before my next PSA test. ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') Steve wrote: >>BTW, did you have another PSA in >> October 05? I had one in September and it was 3.24. It seems to be hanging right in that area. I'm aware that there is some belief that Saw Palmetto can cause a lowering of the PSA. Maybe I should stop the SP for a few weeks before my next PSA test. << That may be a good idea, Mike. But don't do it based on just << my say so. I am not a doctor. I am just a concerned fellow << survivor who bases all my current decisions on PSA. If you << do too, I worry that you may not know what it really is. Please << ask your doc before changing meds or supplements. ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') << The wife and I may be up your way in the fall. I haven't been << to New England in 40 years. SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05 PSA .07 .05 .06 .05 .08 Non Illegitimi Carborundum Steve wrote: >>I am just a concerned fellow << survivor >> who bases all my current decisions on >> PSA. I do the same - mainly looking at the doubling time. It has not changed much in the last three or four years. My uro is not concerned. At my age (77), I want to avoid the side effects of any further treatment. If you are coming here for the foliage, check first. Some years it is better in the southern part of the state. This past fall was not spectacular this far north. ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') If you are coming here for the foliage, check first. Some years it is better in the southern part of the state. This past fall was not spectacular this far north. The trip is because she's never seen New England. The timing is for foliage, but if it isn't spectacular, I'm not all that worried. Is it still $1 per lobster at the lobster houses? Steve asked: >>Is it still $1 per lobster at the lobster >> houses? Are you kidding? Anyway, there are no lobster houses in the mountains. ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') Steve asked: >>Is it still $1 per lobster at the lobster >> houses? >Are you kidding? Anyway, there are no lobster houses in the mountains. It was 40 years ago. And I was 10. But, I am pretty sure that in Maine (I know you're in NH) the lobster house sign said $1 and everyone picked their own lobsters from shallow trays of water. Actually, I think it was June of '62, so I guess I was 8 years old. > The only concern I woudl ahve Mike (and I can't remember if I've raised this before > regarding your case), is that you have a slowly rising PSA and Sal Palmetto is alleged > to mask PSA. As such, you may not have a reliable indicator as to your PCa situation. I had HDR brachytherapy plus external beam radiation, ending two years ago. I also take saw palmetto, in my case for prostatitis, but I have not noticed any special urinary effects. I did some searching in Pubmed some time ago to see if there were any scientific studies of the effect of saw palmetto on PSA. I found three studies where researchers were testing saw palmetto on its own, or in combination with other herbal supplements. None of the three showed any change in PSA. I'm not an expert, and I don't know whether these were valid studies or not, and I don't know if they apply very well to men who have demonstrated prostate cancer, but I'm inclined to think that SP is probably not bringing down your PSA artificially. If you don't need it, it can't hurt to stop it before your PSA test, but I wouldn't worry too much about it. Alan |
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