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Oregon assisted-suicide law upheld by SCOTUS

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Steve Jordan - 17 Jan 2006 18:09 GMT
Quoting a January 17 Associated Press story:

"The Supreme Court, with Chief Justice John Roberts dissenting, upheld
Oregon's one-of-a-kind physician-assisted suicide law Tuesday, rejecting
a Bush administration attempt to punish doctors who help terminally ill
patients die."

Regards,

Steve J
Leonard Evens - 17 Jan 2006 19:13 GMT
> Quoting a January 17 Associated Press story:
>
> "The Supreme Court, with Chief Justice John Roberts dissenting, upheld
> Oregon's one-of-a-kind physician-assisted suicide law Tuesday, rejecting
> a Bush administration attempt to punish doctors who help terminally ill
> patients die."

This is a bit off topic, but all of us do have some interest in end of
life issues, perhaps more so than the general population.  Although we
may not live in a state allowing physician assisted suicide, we should
be concerned about the fact that the administration also insists the DEA
can monitor the use of drugs to treat pain, particularly for patients
who are dying.  Many physicians are reluctant to prescribe adequate pain
relief in such circumstances either because they fear being accused of
promoting addiction or they fear being accused of euthanaisa.

Note that Alito is well on his way to being confirmed.  This vote was 6
to 3, with Scalia, Thomas, and Roberts (Bush's first appointee)
supporting the Bush administration's position and dissenting from the
majority.  Since Alito is even more in the mold preferred by Bush than
Roberts, it is safe to assume that the next time such a vote is taken,
it will be 5 to 4.  If Bush or a similar conservative is still
president, and conservative Republicans still control the Senate, then
the next time there is such a vote, the conservatives will prevail on
this issue.  Personally, I hope that doesn't happen before I need pain
relief in such a circumstance, but I'm afraid it will.

Note that this isn't purely a Republican/Democrat issue nor even a
conservative/liberal issue.   Many Republicans and conservatives think
that people should have a right to decide such matters themselves and
that the government should not be interfering.  After all, only two of
the current eight members of the supreme Court were appointed by a
Democratic president.  But some social conservatives believe that
assisted suicide is wrong and also that life must be maintained at all
costs whatever the costs to the patient.  Bush clearly has tilted to
that side in his policies and judicial appointments.

> Regards,
>
> Steve J
Steve Jordan - 17 Jan 2006 19:28 GMT
>> Quoting a January 17 Associated Press story:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> This is a bit off topic, but all of us do have some interest in end of
> life issues, perhaps more so than the general population.  
With all due respect, I believe that it is precisely on topic for at
least the very reason that Leonard cites.

Regards,

Steve J

"The thing is to expect nothing in particular, but be aware of the lack
of enforceable guarantees or enforceable contracts with
nature/god/entropy as to the condition or durability of our bodies."
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Thank you, Brian, for your insight.
judamd@aol.com - 17 Jan 2006 21:08 GMT
"...we should
be concerned about the fact that the administration also insists the
DEA
can monitor the use of drugs to treat pain, particularly for patients
who are dying.  Many physicians are reluctant to prescribe adequate
pain
relief in such circumstances either because they fear being accused of
promoting addiction or they fear being accused of euthanaisa."

This is absolutely true.  All doctors are monitored by the DEA for
their "controlled substance" use.  If anyone is going to need excessive
pain meds be sure to ask your physician his/her take on prescribing
sufficient pain medications and get another doctor if yours appears
hesitant to comply or isn't complying with your needs.  In almost every
end of life setting there is at least one nurse, family member, or
otherwise involved person willing to blow the whistle on
"over-medicating grandma" or "trying to kill her."  The DEA is equally
concerned with causing addiction (in someone who's dying no less - go
figure).  Consider yourself fortunate if you have a doctor who is
willing, able, and brave enough to oppose these do-gooders.
Dave Perry
Leonard Evens - 17 Jan 2006 22:30 GMT
> "...we should
> be concerned about the fact that the administration also insists the
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> figure).  Consider yourself fortunate if you have a doctor who is
> willing, able, and brave enough to oppose these do-gooders.

I would prefer to call them torturers.

> Dave Perry
Steve Kramer - 18 Jan 2006 00:05 GMT
> Note that this isn't purely a Republican/Democrat issue nor even a
> conservative/liberal issue.   Many Republicans and conservatives think
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> costs to the patient.  Bush clearly has tilted to that side in his
> policies and judicial appointments.

I respectfully submit that it is a Republican/Democrat issue.  If it were
conservative/liberal, the conservatives would say it none of the federal
government's business....  any more than is abortion...  or any other
statute governing death for that matter, including Murder.

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05
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Steve Kramer - 18 Jan 2006 00:00 GMT
I have tremendous respect for most of the members of the current administration, but have never liked Ashcroft.  His behavior, in my experience is equal to that of a pompous a.s.

And, while my faith rails against suicide and all who resort to it, I cannot, for the life of me, find anything in the Constitution that allows any branch of the federal government to govern it.  

   -- of course that might be said about 2/3rds of the federal laws currently on the books....

 Quoting a January 17 Associated Press story:

 "The Supreme Court, with Chief Justice John Roberts dissenting, upheld Oregon's one-of-a-kind physician-assisted suicide law Tuesday, rejecting a Bush administration attempt to punish doctors who help terminally ill patients die."

 Regards,

 Steve J

 --
 PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
 RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
 PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
 PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05
 PSA  .07 .05 .06 .05 .08
 Non Illegitimi Carborundum
 
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