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Ed  Kratz - 16 Jan 2006 21:18 GMT
I'm thinking of taking vit d supplements as a possible aid in prevention.
I wondered if anyone on the group had any recommendations for particular
brands, etc.
Any advice is welcome.

Thanks,
Ed
ron - 16 Jan 2006 21:56 GMT
Don't have any specific supplier recommendations, but Dr. "Snuffy"
Myers is recommending 4000 iu/day...Ron
Ed  Kratz - 17 Jan 2006 01:45 GMT
Ron,
Thanks.
 I'm thinking of  a bit less based on prevention.
I subscribed to Dr. Myser's newsletter, and bought a few of the older ones.
Ed
> Don't have any specific supplier recommendations, but Dr. "Snuffy"
> Myers is recommending 4000 iu/day...Ron
I.P. Freely - 17 Jan 2006 02:51 GMT
"Ed Kratz" wrote > I subscribed to Dr. Myser's newsletter ...

I'm not taking ANY supplements based on ANY single website. I LIKE
medicine's Golden Rule: "First Do No Harm". My supplement decision process
looks something like this:
1. Read favorable comments about it in some respectable publication. If it's
recommended,
2. Research its safety on highly reliable websites, with special attention
to overdose potential. If it passes,
3. Research its effectiveness on those same sites. I don't HAVE to see
large, peer-reviewed, double-blind trials proving its efficacy, but it
helps. If that process is promising,
4. Determine whether I can get the product from food. If not,
5. CONSIDER taking the supplement, bearing in mind a) the significant
benefit usually provided by Mother Nature's synergistic, balanced packaging
of micronutrients and b) the MANY times trials blow even the "best"
supplements out of the water.

I.P.
Bill - 17 Jan 2006 15:27 GMT
Strum recommends 8000. I was getting 3200 via Theralogix and am adding
another 800. I am also taking pomagranate extract and am on an NSAID
for arthritis. I just got a PSA and it was up from .6 to .67 in 6 mos.,
which I am very happy w/. :-)

Bill Denton
RP 2/12/02
PSA .67
Memphis
Ken - 17 Jan 2006 22:31 GMT
What type (source) is your D supplement?
Steve Kramer - 17 Jan 2006 23:08 GMT
I'm not sure when you registered that .37, .40, .37, but it would certainly
seem that your PSA is leveling off.  I wonder why that is.  I'm sure you're
elated.

Signature

PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .05 .08
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

> Strum recommends 8000. I was getting 3200 via Theralogix and am adding
> another 800. I am also taking pomagranate extract and am on an NSAID
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> PSA .67
> Memphis
I.P. Freely - 30 Jan 2006 04:38 GMT
Ron wrote
>Dr. "Snuffy" Myers is recommending 4000 iu/day

and

> Strum recommends 8000. I was getting 3200 via Theralogix and am adding
> another 800. I am also taking pomagranate extract and am on an NSAID
> for arthritis.

Cornell Med's Dr. Isadore Rosenfeld (see
http://www.twbookmark.com/authors/12/1101/ ) says new trials show that high
doses of Vit D may lower the incidences of breast, colon, and ovary cancer
by up to 50%. HOWEVER, any more than this specific newly-raised limit can
cause GI problems and raise blood levels of calcium, resulting in confusion
and heart rythm abnormalities. It doesn't take much summer sun exposure -- a
prime source of Vit D -- to provide enough Vit D all by itself.

This new "high dose" limit is 1,000 IU. I sometimes supplement with 200-400
IU in the winter.

Be careful what advice you take from the internet. Would you by a used car
from a guy named "Snuffy"?   ;-)

And, Bill, I hope you're closely monitoring your liver enzymes; NSAIDS can
do some real harm. They kill 5-10k people a year, if I recall the number
correctly. They give me ulcer symptoms within days and full-blown ulcers
within weeks. Glucosamine chondroitin often provides relief comparable or
superior to that of NSAIDS without the GI risk.

I.P.
Claude - 30 Jan 2006 13:09 GMT
"I.P. Freely" <fuhgheddaboutit@noway.nohow> wrote in message

> And, Bill, I hope you're closely monitoring your liver enzymes; NSAIDS can
> do some real harm. They kill 5-10k people a year, if I recall the number
> correctly. They give me ulcer symptoms within days and full-blown ulcers
> within weeks. Glucosamine chondroitin often provides relief comparable or
> superior to that of NSAIDS without the GI risk.

Just to show there's a study to dampen any plan, a couple of years ago a
researcher claimed she found a link between chondroitin and prostate cancer
metastisis.  Who knows?  But it caused me to switch to Glucosamine alone.
Bill - 30 Jan 2006 15:10 GMT
"Bill, I hope you're closely monitoring your liver enzymes; NSAIDS can
do some real harm. They kill 5-10k people a year, if I recall the
number correctly. They give me ulcer symptoms within days and
full-blown ulcers within weeks. Glucosamine chondroitin often provides
relief comparable or superior to that of NSAIDS without the GI risk."

I always figured it came w/ the territory but perhaps my rheumatologist
is just cautious but he has me come in every 90 days for blood work. I
have been on naproxen for going on 30 years w/ no SEs and acceptable
disease progression.

Regarding vitamin D, a pamphlet that came w/ my last Theralogix
Prostate 2.2 refill announced that they were increasing the D dose from
800 IU to 1600 IU/day [I was wrong above - I am taking 2000/day] based
on recent research. As to the safe dose they state:

"Although the Institure of Medicine has set the UL ... at 2000 IU per
day, vitamin D intakes up to 3800 IU per day in healthy individuals
rarely cause adverse reactions. ... other studies suggest that daily
uptake up to 10,000 IU is safe, and many vitamin D researchers have
suggested that the UL is set too low. In a study published in 2001,
over 60 men and women were given either 100 or 4000 IU vitamin D per
day. Neither level caused any side effects, and did not result in
hypercalcemia. Blood levels of calcium did not change during the study
period, and the authors therefore concluded that 4000 IU per day was
safe."    

Bill Denton
RP 2/12/02
PSA .67
Memphis
I.P. Freely - 31 Jan 2006 02:34 GMT
Great. Glad my concern was unwarranted and that you're staying on top of it.
And it reinforces our concern that the medical field knows FAR less than it
thinks it does.

I.P.

> "Bill, I hope you're closely monitoring your liver enzymes; NSAIDS can
> do some real harm. They kill 5-10k people a year, if I recall the
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> PSA .67
> Memphis
---MIKE--- - 31 Jan 2006 16:01 GMT
I take vitamin D3 which is supposed to be superior to regular D.  I get
it from http://www.thevitaminbin.com.  The brand is Jarrow.  Each
capsule is 400 IU and they only recommend one a day.

                 ---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
>> (44° 15'  N - Elevation 1580')

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