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Viagra and Prostate Cancer (ED treatments, erectile dysfunction and prostate)

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Sammy - 15 Jan 2006 07:46 GMT
Viagra and Prostate Cancer (ED treatments, erectile dysfunction and prostate)

Men with prostate cancer who have their prostate removed are usually free of
cancer, but the procedure often comes with a cost -- impotence. A new study,
however, shows that Viagra (sildenafil), the popular medication for erectile
dysfunction, can restore impotency lost in surgery. Whether men respond,
however, depends on how much nerve damage occurred during surgery.
Each year some 200,000 men are diagnosed with prostate cancer and, of those,
50,000 will have to undergo surgical removal of the prostate.

"Incontinence and impotence are the two most common [prostatectomy] side
effects. A large number of patients, even with nerve-sparing techniques, end
up with erectile dysfunction," Milton Lakin, MD, who leads the medical
urology section at Cleveland Clinic Foundation, tells WebMD. "The first thing
[doctors] want to do is a very good cancer operation. Cancers are being
discovered early enough that in many cases it is possible to spare both
nerves, or at least one."

The new study, which appears in the November Journal of Urology, was
completed by physicians at Baylor College of Medicine in Houston. It involved
about 80 men who ranged in age from 47 to 76 years old. All were prescribed
Viagra following prostate removal surgery. Based on their responses to a
series of questionnaires, 53% had improved erections and 40% had improved
ability to have intercourse.

Among those with nerves spared on both sides of the prostate, almost 60% had
improved erections and about 45% reported improvement in their ability to
have intercourse. Of men who had nerves spared on one side of the prostate,
close to 40% had improvement of their ability to have intercourse. For men
with no nerves spared, the reported increase in erections dropped to 20%,
with only 10% noting an improvement in the ability to have intercourse.

At least one side effect each was experienced by 63% of the men, most
commonly flushing, headache, nasal congestion, and heartburn.

Brian Miles, MD, one of the study authors, called the results "gratifying"
and noted that the findings indicate patients should start on the medication
about six months after surgery. He tells WebMD that he has had success with
nerve transfers that involve implanting a leg nerve in the pelvis, which can
help maintain normal erectile function.

These findings confirm previous study results and put a greater spotlight on
the prostate surgery itself, says Lakin, who was not involved in this study
but has been part of nearly identical studies that produced similar results.
"I am not a surgeon. I deal primarily with sexual dysfunction. But where I
think this [study] will have the most impact is in causing physicians to pay
more attention to nerve sparing," he says.

Lakin says that he commonly prescribes Viagra following surgery for prostate
cancer because other options are more invasive. "Unfortunately, it's very
hard not to offer a patient a pill even if their nerves have been cut, but I
am very honest with them. And if they call and say it didn't work, we go on
from there."

If Viagra fails, physicians can recommend other options, including injections
and vacuum devices, both of which have good success rates, even among men
whose nerves were damaged, according to Lakin.

Vital Information:

Viagra is an effective treatment for impotency in men who have their prostate
removed.
For men whose nerves have been spared, the drug improves the ability to have
an erection by nearly 60%, but the effectiveness drops to 20% in those with
no nerves spared.
There are other options for men who don't respond to Viagra, including
injections and vacuum devices.

Generic Viagra costs 80% less
http://www.mensgenerics.com/viagra.php

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Leonard Evens - 15 Jan 2006 16:57 GMT
> Viagra and Prostate Cancer (ED treatments, erectile dysfunction and prostate)
>
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> Each year some 200,000 men are diagnosed with prostate cancer and, of those,
> 50,000 will have to undergo surgical removal of the prostate.

Very gratifying news.   Until now, the thought was that Viagra and
similar drugs were not likely to help impotence following RP.

Another comment.   As of Jan 1, 2007,  Medicare will not pay for such
drugs.   Write to your Congressman and Senators telling them that you
feel that this is gross discrimination against prostate cancer survivors
and their spouses.   Point out that the benefit is as much for the
spouse as it is for the man.  Tell them you will vote against them if
they voted for the bill banning Medicare payments for such drugs and
son't do anything to remove that ban.

> "Incontinence and impotence are the two most common [prostatectomy] side
> effects. A large number of patients, even with nerve-sparing techniques, end
[quoted text clipped - 56 lines]
> Generic Viagra costs 80% less
> http://www.mensgenerics.com/viagra.php
Gogarty - 15 Jan 2006 17:13 GMT
>Viagra and Prostate Cancer (ED treatments, erectile dysfunction and prostate)
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>Each year some 200,000 men are diagnosed with prostate cancer and, of those,
>50,000 will have to undergo surgical removal of the prostate.

(Snip)

Is that the study that was funded by Pfizer?
doubleowseven@theplacecalledyahoo.com - 15 Jan 2006 18:21 GMT
>Brian Miles, MD, one of the study authors, called the results "gratifying"
>and noted that the findings indicate patients should start on the medication
>about six months after surgery. He tells WebMD that he has had success with
..^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>nerve transfers that involve implanting a leg nerve in the pelvis, which can
>help maintain normal erectile function.

Is waiting six months still common?  I thought most doctors were
starting at about 2 months with ED pill therapy.
John Loomis - 15 Jan 2006 18:47 GMT
Hello Sammy,
   I may be lucky but after 2 years it worked  for me.
I did lose one set of nerves, @ 49.  I used a pump, and injections, and
tried viagra after 4 months RP and all I got was aheadache...serious..
Then about 1.5 years to 2 years post RP things started to happen?
I tried viagra again, and voila.....
Now about 1/3 of a 100mgs is enough for normal funcion.
I think the study is accurate at least as far as my set of circumastances
goes....
John Loomis.
Never give up, keep trying,,,,nerve injuries can heal.
> Viagra and Prostate Cancer (ED treatments, erectile dysfunction and
> prostate)
[quoted text clipped - 91 lines]
> Generic Viagra costs 80% less
> http://www.mensgenerics.com/viagra.php
Deena - 16 Jan 2006 07:46 GMT
I'm not a doctor, so let's get that clear, but that being said i'd like to
share my experience, at least as far as erection pills.  Viagra gives me a
headache, a light headed flush type feeling, Cialis gives me no side effects.
Again, I don't know the difference medically as to which is better so talk to
a doctor, but for me, cialis (generic is far cheaper) works for me perfectly,
maybe 10mg dose and I'm good for 3 days or so anytime, no side effects, at
least nothing i feel or notice.  THANK GOD!!!!!!!!  seriously, it makes me
believe in God again  lol

>Hello Sammy,
>    I may be lucky but after 2 years it worked  for me.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>> Generic Viagra costs 80% less
>> http://www.mensgenerics.com/viagra.php

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Bill - 16 Jan 2006 15:18 GMT
Are they talking about taking it "when the time is right" or all the
time? Are they talking about results only while on it or does it
improve potency even when not on it?

Bill Denton
RP 2/12/02
PSA >.6
Memphis
Steve U - 16 Jan 2006 23:06 GMT
> Are they talking about taking it "when the time is right" or all the
> time? Are they talking about results only while on it or does it
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> PSA >.6
> Memphis

Bill,
My doctor assigned homework/rehab. I was told to use the drugs at least
3 times a week and try to get as much of an erection as possible, with
the details up to me. I decided to use the shots for sex, and took
pills on the other nights. I got most of my erection back. Anecdotal,
but a story with a happy ending.
Steve U
DominicM - 16 Jan 2006 18:13 GMT
Has anyone purchased and used generic Viagara?
Gogarty - 18 Jan 2006 13:59 GMT
>Has anyone purchased and used generic Viagara?

Not Viagra but Cialis and Levitra. No problems.

I am using generic Cialis (tadalafil) in a therapy regimen. I take 10mg
every morning. With a 36-hour window, I am ready whenever she is. Now,
if only I coulkd get her on some pill...
jj - 28 Dec 2007 01:47 GMT
I have from http://ukgenerics.net and I found it to be identical to regular
brand viagra since the ingredient is the same.  In the UK, Viagra is an over
the counter unlike the states
.. hope that helps

>Has anyone purchased and used generic Viagara?
DominicM - 17 Jan 2006 00:04 GMT
Anyone use Generic Viagra? Also any experience with Medco
reimbursement?
DominicM - 17 Jan 2006 00:12 GMT
Any experience with efficacy generic Viagra vs. Ethical. Also any
experience with Medco
reimbursement of ethical for ED post RP?? What should my expectations
be after nerve sparing (1 total other 60%) RP 5 weeks ago? I had one
morning surprise like the "old" days but haven't seen any effect of
25mg daily and 100mg 1x per week?
I.P. Freely - 17 Jan 2006 00:41 GMT
"DominicM" <wrote
> Any experience with efficacy generic Viagra vs. Ethical. Also any
> experience with Medco
> reimbursement of ethical for ED post RP?? What should my expectations
> be after nerve sparing (1 total other 60%) RP 5 weeks ago? I had one
> morning surprise like the "old" days but haven't seen any effect of
> 25mg daily and 100mg 1x per week?

You DO realize that Viagra doesn't GIVE one an erection, right? It merely
ENABLES erections given the usual stimuli. You don't take it like daily
medicine and expect to run around with loaded pants. You take it after
you've bought the wine and roses, cooked the meal, and lighted the candles
... or when you leave the house to buy the Swimsuit Issue.

Expectations after 5 weeks ago? Zip squat nada girly-man. If it actually
WORKS @ 5 weeks, consider it icing on the cake.

I.P.
DominicM - 26 Jan 2006 01:28 GMT
Thanks IP!  I been telling my wife for years I need more stimuli to
promote prostate health....see where that got me.
bigrick - 16 Mar 2007 12:47 GMT
>Thanks IP!  I been telling my wife for years I need more stimuli to
>promote prostate health....see where that got me.

go for oral  =)

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