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Lycopene supplements

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Dick Smith - 08 Dec 2005 18:36 GMT
Are these good to take to help in PCa prevention? Dr Catalona seems to
like them:

" Q: Can men take certain vitamins or eat certain foods that will
lessen the risk for prostate cancer?
A: Selenium, taken 200 micrograms (micrograms, not milligrams) a day,
has been shown to lower the risk of prostate cancer.

A low fat diet, especially one that avoids animal fat, specifically red
meat fat, has been shown to have an impact on the risk for prostate
cancer.

Eating fruits and vegetables is important and it's been shown that a
diet rich in tomato products is helpful in avoiding prostate cancer.
One of the substances in tomatoes is lycopene, but in order to get
enough of this substance from tomatoes, a man would have to eats pounds
of them. Lycopene is now on the market in pill form (30mg/day). In my
opinion, lycopene is beneficial, but it will not "get rid" of
prostate cancer by itself.

The above recommendations have been evaluated in published scientific
studies. Obviously, many other foods and/or vitamins could be
effective, but they haven't been adequately studied at this time to
know if they are helpful or harmful.

Still, all of the above factors are relatively minor. It's important
to get the PSA blood test and the prostate check."
Ron B - 09 Dec 2005 20:10 GMT
Dr. Catalona was my surgeon and I know of what you speak.

I take his recommended 30mg of Lycopene (I get it from Drugstore.com) as
other stores have only 10mg or less.

I take the Selenium 200, and the one-a day multiple Cholesterol type
which has the Vit. E that he thinks is OK.

Hey, I don't know...but after RRP, and having him do it...I figure that
if I trusted him for THAT...I can go along with his thoughts on
Vitamins.

Best to all,

Ron B.

Chicago
I. P. Freely - 10 Dec 2005 00:35 GMT
> Hey, I don't know...but after RRP, and having him do it...I figure that
> if I trusted him for THAT...I can go along with his thoughts on
> Vitamins.

One of the last people I'd trust my nutrition to is a surgeon. S/he's maxed
out just perfecting and performing surgery . . . I hope. Nor do I want my
nutritionist operating on me, or my landscaper managing my finances. Heck,
look how many uros don't even know much about osteoporosis management,
mandatory with the ADT they often prescribe.

I.P.
Ron B - 10 Dec 2005 15:32 GMT
About a surgeon who does RRP surgery, I.P. wrote:

"One of the last people I'd trust my nutrition to is a surgeon. S/he's
maxed out just perfecting and performing surgery . . . I hope. Nor do I
want my nutritionist operating on me, or my landscaper managing my
finances."

Usually true, but since these are considered to be prostate-related
vitamins...I'm OK with taking these few items.

Ron B.

Chicago
Stavros - 11 Dec 2005 18:31 GMT
I take these, too, on the advice of my t rusted oncologist and am glad that
you do.  IP doesn't trust anyone and disagrees with the sun when it comes up
in the morning..

> About a surgeon who does RRP surgery, I.P. wrote:
>
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>
> Chicago
Brian - 12 Dec 2005 03:45 GMT
> I take these, too, on the advice of my t rusted oncologist and am glad
> that you do.  IP doesn't trust anyone and disagrees with the sun when it
> comes up in the morning..

Please unload vendetta.vxd; we have no need of pissing matches here.

Please.
I. P. Freely - 12 Dec 2005 07:46 GMT
Atta boy, Brian, regardless of who's involved. Third-party rebukes always
carry more weight than even the least offensive self-defenses.

I.P.

> Please unload vendetta.vxd; we have no need of pissing matches here.
>
> Please.
I. P. Freely - 12 Dec 2005 07:43 GMT
> IP doesn't trust anyone and disagrees with the sun when it comes up in the
> morning..

That surprises me, after the recent ad hominem discussions and coming from a
devout Christian who professes not to judge others. Thanks a lot.

I.P.
Stavros - 12 Dec 2005 16:03 GMT
I'm really sorry, IP.  Honest, I thought I was being funny and that you
would know that.

>> IP doesn't trust anyone and disagrees with the sun when it comes up in
>> the morning..
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>
> I.P.
I. P. Freely - 12 Dec 2005 18:15 GMT
"Stavros"
> I'm really sorry, IP.  Honest, I thought I was being funny and that you
> would know that.

Without a smiley face, I assumed you were serious, and went to bed last
night wondering what the heck I said to trigger THAT. Apology accepted.

I.P.
Stavros - 12 Dec 2005 21:13 GMT
:)

> "Stavros"
>> I'm really sorry, IP.  Honest, I thought I was being funny and that you
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>
> I.P.
I. P. Freely - 12 Dec 2005 22:34 GMT
='|)---

A handshake emoticon?

"Stavros" smiled
>  :)
Brian - 12 Dec 2005 23:53 GMT
> ='|)---
>
> A handshake emoticon?
>
> "Stavros" smiled
>>  :)

No that's an AND gate with one input active low.
Brian - 12 Dec 2005 23:53 GMT
> I'm really sorry, IP.  Honest, I thought I was being funny and that you
> would know that.

I didn't know it either.

*sigh*

To err is human, to really screw things up requires a computer; humans
with computers should be avoided at all costs.
Alan Meyer - 12 Dec 2005 20:19 GMT
> ...
> Eating fruits and vegetables is important and it's been shown that a
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> prostate cancer by itself.
> ...

I don't know if lycopene helps or not.  A search of Pubmed
shows a number of articles claiming some benefit, but it's
hard to know for sure since the human studied have been
small and often combined with other dietary supplements.

There is a natural source of lycopene that doesn't require
"pounds" of tomatoes.  Just eight ounces of tomato juice
has 20 mg of lycopene.  I drink a glass each day.

   Alan
I. P. Freely - 12 Dec 2005 21:07 GMT
"Alan Meyer" >
> There is a natural source of lycopene that doesn't require
> "pounds" of tomatoes.  Just eight ounces of tomato juice
> has 20 mg of lycopene.  I drink a glass each day.

Watermelon beats tomatoes by 40% . . . and without the high salt of tomato
products.

I.P.
Bob Anthony - 12 Dec 2005 22:51 GMT
Can you make a good marinara with watermelon?
Bob Anthony - 12 Dec 2005 22:53 GMT
I. P. Freely - 13 Dec 2005 00:09 GMT
"Bob Anthony" wrote...
> Can you make a good marinara with watermelon?

Probably not, but what fun's headin' out with the guys on a sweltering
summer night, sweet-talking the guard dog, stealing half a dozen TOMATOES,
smashing them on the pavement, eating WAY too much, and having to stop and
pee three times on the way home? ;-)

I.P.
 
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