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tooter - 30 Nov 2005 04:19 GMT Husband has had biopsy every year for the past 3 yrs. All have been negative.
After the first two he had blood in his ejaculation for over a month and half then went to a lighter tan color.
This time it is very sticky, not like before, and it is also a grey color with NO blood. the first ejaculation was Old blood clot and dark. From then on it has been the sicky grey brown color. Biopsy was done the 12, and he said it was very painful and told the doctor when seeing him for results. All negative but will watch and do again next year.
My question is this? He is having problems getting hard and shall I use the word come? Ejaculating I believe they call it. Seems he is having very little feeling there. We realize it is only a month but this has never happened before. He is concerned but doesn't want to run it by the doctor, since the biopsy was negative.
What is going on with that and is that normal for some men??
thanks a bunch. We posted here last year and asked the question about PSA and Free PSA, thank you Chris for helping us then.
tooter
tooter - 30 Nov 2005 04:30 GMT Forgot to say the biopsy was OCTOBER 12,not this month.
tooter
Alan Meyer - 30 Nov 2005 04:51 GMT > ... > After the first two he had blood in his ejaculation for over a month and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > then on it has been the sicky grey brown color. > ... I'm not a doctor, but here's my non-expert opinion on this.
First the good news.
Blood in the semen is not a symptom of prostate cancer. It does not indicate that your husband has a cancer problem.
The not so good news is that this kind of reaction to a biopsy is not common. Having a few drops of blood in the semen or urine for a week or so is not uncommon, but it sounds like your husband has much worse results than most of us have had.
It may be unfair to the doctor to say so, but I'm wondering if the urologist is doing a very poor job of doing the biopsies. He's inflicting more pain and more damage than he should. Maybe he's inexperienced, clumsy, or plain incompetent.
I think it's very likely that the damage will heal up just fine over time. Most of us on this newsgroup have had far more damaging surgeries or radiation inflicted on our prostates - with blood, scars, bruises, radiation burns, and so on - yet we almost all seem to recover eventually.
Knowing that you're going to ejaculate a bloody mess, anticipating pain, and worrying about what's happening to you are not the kind of thoughts that make sex easy for a man. That may have a lot to do with the difficulties he's having now. Hopefully, when the physical damage heals up, full sexual function will also return.
I know that doctors can be intimidating. They usually know more than we do about what they're doing and they can make some of us feel bad about criticizing them. However, if more procedures are required in the future, maybe your husband should find a different urologist to do them and explain carefully to him what happened on the last ones. It would be ideal if you could find other patients who have had good experiences with biopsies from whatever doctor you find.
Best of luck.
Alan
I. P. Freely - 30 Nov 2005 06:19 GMT "Alan Meyer" <wrote
> The not so good news is that this kind of reaction to a biopsy > is not common. Having a few drops of blood in the semen or > urine for a week or so is not uncommon, but it sounds like > your husband has much worse results than most of us have > had. IIRC, I read that the ejaculate may contain blood for several weeks. Mine was a bloody mess and was quite uncomfortable for at least a couple of weeks, and it seems to me it took several weeks for the last of the discoloration and discomfort to subside completely.
I.P.
Steve Kramer - 30 Nov 2005 11:19 GMT Call the doctor, Tooter. I gotta feeling he hit a nerve, but there might be something else going on in there. I have never heard of all those symptoms.
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> Husband has had biopsy every year for the past 3 yrs. All have been > negative. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > tooter Buttercup's Dad - 30 Nov 2005 11:20 GMT Why is he having biopsies every year?
I would see a doctor about the ejaculate. That does not sound normal to me. The blood in mine cleared up in less than two weeks. The ejaculate was normal, just with the blood in it and my recollection is that it was red, not a brownish color.
I would also consider either getting a second opinion from another urologist, or maybe changing doctors altogether. A doctor you can't talk to is of little use.
Good luck.
David S.
> Husband has had biopsy every year for the past 3 yrs. All have been > negative. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > tooter tooter - 30 Nov 2005 14:29 GMT In 2001 he had his first PSA and it was 3.27 and nothing was done. His father had prostate cancer. Hubby has never had symptoms of any kind.
Then in 2003 he had a physical and another PSA. that was 4.23 and enlargement felt. So he went on antibiotics and had another PSA following to recheck and it was 4.15 Since his father had cancer there, and then they thought they got it all and he died a few years later of UNDETECTED Cancer, the doctor said Let's do a biopsy.
All specimens were neg.
Then in 2004 his PSA was 4.21 and enlargement again. HIs age was 59 NO symptoms. so again it was decided to do another biopsy....But was told to take saw palmento and selenium also after that negative biopsy.
OK then this year 2005 He was told that SAW palmento would mask PSA and it would be a good idea to have a FREE PSA. Someone on this NG told him that. He got an order and results are PSA 3.79 age being 60 And Free PSA of 13% or psa free 0.5 Prostate specific antigen 4.0
Here is what the results told us. He should indeed have another round of biopsy because he is in what they call a "grey area" IF the Free PSA is over 25% he would be determined to have NO cancer for sure. IF it was below 5% he would Definately have cancer. SO he is inbetween with a possibility that indeed he may have cancer and it is not showing up yet. That is why all the biopsies are done.
NOw the big concern is...is this common to have problems ejaculating ....It takes him forever..sorry LOL...but he says it seems like that. To ejaculate but he does do it. NO pain now most of the pain was in his anus. And with prep H that helped it. He did tell the doc and was told he put stuff on there to numb but it must not of helped....
What do you think?
toot
Buttercup's Dad - 30 Nov 2005 16:45 GMT I was diagnosed in April 2003 and did a lot reading like everyone else here. There has been a lot of water under the bridge since then, so my info is not up to date. Also, I am not a doctor. Remember that please.
First, the free PSA at 13% would raise a flag with me. I would definitely want to pursue that further. Second, from what I have read it is entirely possible to have multiple biopsies and not find the cancer. Not normal, not likely, but possible. It does happen. I do not know if there is any relationship to BPH or prostatitis with the free PSA, but I do know that it can affect the regular PSA. The combination of enlarged prostate and that level of PSA could just be the BPH or prostatitis, thus the negative biopsies. But again, the low free PSA is troublesome. I would want to check that further.
Not much help I know. The continued problems with ejaculation and discoloration in the ejaculate would indicate to me that something is wrong and I would want to see the doctor about that.
Is seeing a different urologist a possibility?
Good luck.
> In 2001 he had his first PSA and it was 3.27 and nothing was done. His > father had prostate cancer. Hubby has never had symptoms of any kind. [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > toot judamd@aol.com - 30 Nov 2005 17:29 GMT My one biopsy resulted in ejaculate that was very watery with a rootbeer color. This continued for a week or two and gradually lightened in color. However, even my last ejaculate prior to surgery over two months later still was not "back to normal." Dave Perry
Brian - 01 Dec 2005 00:45 GMT > Husband has had biopsy every year for the past 3 yrs. All have been > negative. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > concerned but doesn't want to run it by the doctor, since the biopsy was > negative. If life is worth a second biopsy, it's worth a second doctor. Can you saw whether the biopsy was done with an ultra-sound guided contraption, or some other way?
I got my 8 needle biopsy done and had trouble sleeping that night, felt uncomfortable the next day, and was afterwards just fine. I don't know about ejaculate because my wife is 350 miles that-a-way and has been for 20 months. I have no boyfriend, no girlfriend, and I'm not my own friend.
I have never heard of a biopsy interfering with the ability to acheive erection nor to complicate reaching orgasm and ejaculating. His lasting longer is not necessarily a bad thing...
> tooter Glassman - 01 Dec 2005 04:55 GMT > Husband has had biopsy every year for the past 3 yrs. All have been > negative. I think we all take more time ordering a new car and color, than picking our docs. The fact that you're not comfortable calling your uro about ANY problem speaks volumes. Get another uro, and another opinion. Keep changing until you find the guy that's right for you. By the way, I have a friend that has a family history and raised PSA, so has a biopsy just about every year, for years now. So far all negative, but never any complications like yours.
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Brian - 03 Dec 2005 13:25 GMT > I think we all take more time ordering a new car and color, than picking > our docs. Dude... next time you go shopping for a doctor, YOU try slamming his door or peeking under his hood...
c palmer - 01 Dec 2005 19:56 GMT From: rojakort@bright.net (tooter) In 2001 he had his first PSA and it was 3.27 and nothing was done. His father had prostate cancer. Hubby has never had symptoms of any kind. Then in 2003 he had a physical and another PSA. that was 4.23 and enlargement felt. So he went on antibiotics and had another PSA following to recheck and it was 4.15 Since his father had cancer there, and then they thought they got it all and he died a few years later of UNDETECTED Cancer, the doctor said Let's do a biopsy. All specimens were neg. Then in 2004 his PSA was 4.21 and enlargement again. HIs age was 59 NO symptoms. so again it was decided to do another biopsy....But was told to take saw palmento and selenium also after that negative biopsy. OK then this year 2005 He was told that SAW palmento would mask PSA and it would be a good idea to have a FREE PSA. Someone on this NG told him that. He got an order and results are PSA 3.79 age being 60 And Free PSA of 13% or psa free 0.5 Prostate specific antigen 4.0 Here is what the results told us. He should indeed have another round of biopsy because he is in what they call a "grey area" IF the Free PSA is over 25% he would be determined to have NO cancer for sure. IF it was below 5% he would Definately have cancer. SO he is inbetween with a possibility that indeed he may have cancer and it is not showing up yet. That is why all the biopsies are done. NOw the big concern is...is this common to have problems ejaculating ...It takes him forever..sorry LOL...but he says it seems like that. To ejaculate but he does do it. NO pain now most of the pain was in his anus. And with prep H that helped it. He did tell the doc and was told he put stuff on there to numb but it must not of helped.... What do you think? toot ====== hi toot - let's take it one step at a time.
first - the psa issue....you are right about the psa and free psa information. but as the prostate cancer develops, the free psa number will drop. since it's it in the low teens, that's not a good sign.
next, the biopsy. remember, it is like finding a needle in the haystack. some doctors are really good at it - some suck. in my case, i only had 6 needles stuck and the doctor found cancer in both lobes with just those needle sticks. and i didn't have large nodes developed yet as determined by the post op biopsy. the gland had cancer throughout it, but the doctor did a great done finding it. i remember him teaching some other doctors what the screen representations meant while this was going on. so, you might want to switch doctors for the next biopsy.
next - length of time for recovery. usually a couple of weeks to a month normally. depends on where they shot the needles and what they hit while they were in there. if they nicked a blood vessel, it may take longer to heal.
next - erectile problems. it had been known to happen. the needle nicks the erectile nerve. it happens in a low number of cases, but it does happen. nothing is without risk.
will send you a private email later.......
~ curtis
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tooter - 01 Dec 2005 20:54 GMT Thank you so much for the information.
now how in the devil do you get a guy to call the doc or even change one. He is stubborn as a mule and believe me "if it was ME being ill" He would be screaming at me big time.
thanks again guys for all your knowledge. I will keep in touch.
tooter
I. P. Freely - 01 Dec 2005 22:22 GMT > now how in the devil do you get a guy to call the doc or even change one. > He is stubborn as a mule You could do it for him. Men are macho cowards (no, that's not an oxymoron; "macho" is Spanish for "stupid" in my book) when it comes to health care, and it costs many of them dearly.
"Honey, to save you the hassles, because I love you dearly, and because it's cheaper than that Beemer you wanted for Christmas, I've forwarded your file to another doc I've heard great things about. Let's get his (I'd usually say "her" to avert charges of chauvinism, but your guy doesn't sound like he'd talk too freely with a female uro) opinion; my guy friends over at the online prostate club emphasize the importance of finding a doctor with whom they can talk about ANYTHING, whether it's dribbling, penetration, bloody cum, or other ways to satisfy each other."
Then drag him to the doctor and, if you must, do the talking yourself. You seem candid enough to pull it off, and you just might have a major impact on your future together.
As for the Beemer . . . .look like it's gonna be some lucky doc's, not your husband's, at least this year.
I.P.
Steve U - 01 Dec 2005 22:40 GMT IP, While I agree whole heartedly with your idea, the HIPPA privacy laws forbid a transfer of medical info without the patient's permission. Applies to the USA only. Steve U
I. P. Freely - 02 Dec 2005 02:00 GMT > IP, > While I agree whole heartedly with your idea, the HIPPA privacy laws > forbid a transfer of medical info without the patient's permission. I keep hearing this, but my wife's many docs call me all the time to pass on details about her diagnoses, treatments, tests, procedures, threats, etc. She's been getting a head-to-toe workup involving many specialists over the last several months, and I've had at least 8 calls like that from at least four different docs in various clinics. The minute I say "She's not here; can I have her call you back", I get the whole gory report and a "Have her call if she has questions." I know almost as much about her breasts/uterus/colon/heart as she does about my prostate. ONE doc finally asked today whether she could talk freely about Karen's case, so I said, "Sure"; the others have never asked.
If Tooter's husband won't authorize her to get involved, he's more . . . er . . . macho than I thought.
I.P.
Buttercup's Dad - 02 Dec 2005 13:21 GMT I think I could talk to mine about anything, but I would have to draw the line at "satisfy each other". I must admit I would feel uncomfortable talking about oral sex, etc., with him. My hang-up. Not his.
> <snip> > my guy friends over at the > online prostate club emphasize the importance of finding a doctor with whom > they can talk about ANYTHING, whether it's dribbling, penetration, bloody > cum, or other ways to satisfy each other." I. P. Freely - 02 Dec 2005 16:42 GMT "Buttercup's Dad" wrote...
>I think I could talk to mine about anything, but I would have to draw the > line at "satisfy each other". I must admit I would feel uncomfortable > talking about oral sex, etc., with him. My hang-up. Not his. Mine -- a young man -- has simply said in so many words that there are many ways to please your lover, and let it go at that. I get the impression that he'd talk about anything we wanted to discuss, but we do catch him blushing some times.
I.P.
Beverley - 04 Dec 2005 03:55 GMT Oral sex makes me think about taking a bunch of preschoolers to the local zoo. And well, there are these primates and the one old guy decided to satisfy himself. Now, everything was cool and I was trying to just move the kids along hoping no one would pay much attention. That worked until a parent commented on the situation. Then one of the four-year old boys who asked why he couldn't do it like that. Needless to say, I just bit the inside of my cheeks. Bev
> I think I could talk to mine about anything, but I would have to draw the > line at "satisfy each other". I must admit I would feel uncomfortable [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > they can talk about ANYTHING, whether it's dribbling, penetration, bloody > > cum, or other ways to satisfy each other." Buttercup's Dad - 02 Dec 2005 13:18 GMT Sounds familiar. You should be married to a nurse. Just this morning I left one sick in bed with a hacking cough coming from the chest and could not convince her to call her doctor. Sigh...
> Thank you so much for the information. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > tooter Beverley - 04 Dec 2005 03:57 GMT Tooter is a nurse! David, hope your wife is feeling better, there's a nasty throat/chest congestion thing that is not a common cold running around. Bev
> Sounds familiar. You should be married to a nurse. Just this morning I > left one sick in bed with a hacking cough coming from the chest and could [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > tooter JK@work - 03 Dec 2005 20:04 GMT > Thank you so much for the information. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > tooter "Hon", your uro is not in, due to vacation or broken leg or building burned down or he got PCa or malpractice or bad divorce or bad press or DUI ............. so I made you an appointment with a highly recommended guy for next week.
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