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Rise in PSA from 0.4 to 1.8: Is This a Concern?

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JGT - 25 Nov 2005 03:08 GMT
Hello all, my first posting to this group. Two years ago my PSA was measured
at 0.4, but in a recent blood test it has increased to 1.8. The lab report
shows that an acceptable range is up to 4.0. However, my doctor says that a
four-fold increase in the level over the last two years is an indication
that we should keep an eye on things, and I have been scheduled to have
another PSA test in two months' time. Is such an increase something I should
be concerned about, or can PSA levels move around quite a bit under the 4.0
reading without too much concern? Do you have any advice you can give me
about this situation? Thanks very much for your help.

Jack
Claude - 25 Nov 2005 03:20 GMT
> Hello all, my first posting to this group. Two years ago my PSA was
> measured at 0.4, but in a recent blood test it has increased to 1.8. The
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> Jack

Take your doctor's advice.  You're lucky to have one so vigilant.  The rule
of thumb is any increase of  0.75 in a year (or is it two?) should be a
warning flag.  The 4.0 mark is no longer considered a very important number.
The more important factor is the rate of increase.  The new PSA test will
show whether your 1.8 was an aberrancy or truly an increase requiring a
biopsy.
gourd_dancer - 25 Nov 2005 03:21 GMT
The name of the game is velocity.

One more upward rise in 2 months, I'd be asking for a biopsy.

Good luck.

> Hello all, my first posting to this group. Two years ago my PSA was
> measured at 0.4, but in a recent blood test it has increased to 1.8. The
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> Jack
TW - 25 Nov 2005 04:46 GMT
During an annual checkup alittle over two months ago my PSA was 1.7 and
a DRE showed a nodule. Biopsy showed a Gleason 3+3 tumor. I've had
surgery and am doing great. Don't live in fear but watch it like a
hawk. Take care and keep us posted.
Alan Meyer - 25 Nov 2005 04:54 GMT
> Hello all, my first posting to this group. Two years ago my PSA was measured at 0.4, but
> in a recent blood test it has increased to 1.8. The lab report shows that an acceptable
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> the 4.0 reading without too much concern? Do you have any advice you can give me about
> this situation? Thanks very much for your help.

Concerned? Yes.  It might indicate prostate cancer is developing.
But then again it might not.

Prostate cancer is very slow growing.  If you've got it, it's
at a very, very early stage.  It's likely to be curable now,
and remain curable for a several years yet.  You have an
excellent doctor to have noticed this so early.  Most of us
in this group were not that lucky.

Abstain from sex for about 3 days before your next PSA
test.  Sex stresses the prostate and can cause a large
rise in PSA for about two days.  If you had sex before your
last PSA test, that could have been a factor in the 1.8
reading.

Prostatitis and/or benign prostate hyperplasia are other possible
causes of rising PSA.  According to one doctor I talked to, only
about 15 percent of men with rising PSA have cancer.  So
the odds are that you're okay and, if not, you'll have caught it
very early and can be made okay with treatment.

Good luck.

   Alan
JGT - 25 Nov 2005 06:16 GMT
Thanks very much to all who have replied, you have given me some very good
advice. I have read a lot about the PSA test on internet, but it's really
good to have people to talk to directly. I was interested to learn that sex
stresses the prostate. However, I don't think this was a factor in my case,
but it's certainly something to keep in mind for future tests! In the
absence of a sexual reason, once the PSA number has risen, as in my case, is
it likely that it could revert to its former level of 0.4 again, or does it
usually stay at the higher level, in my case, 1.8?

In case people follow individual case histories, I will post the results of
my next test in 2 months' time, but I am pleased to learn that I am at a
very early stage of things at present and that with good management,
hopefully things may turn out well. I was interested also in TW's post, what
is a DRE and why was this test done when the PSA was only 1.7?

Best wishes

Jack

>> Hello all, my first posting to this group. Two years ago my PSA was
>> measured at 0.4, but in a recent blood test it has increased to 1.8. The
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>    Alan
Leonard Evens - 25 Nov 2005 13:47 GMT
> Thanks very much to all who have replied, you have given me some very good
> advice. I have read a lot about the PSA test on internet, but it's really
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> it likely that it could revert to its former level of 0.4 again, or does it
> usually stay at the higher level, in my case, 1.8?

Except for prostate cancer, the two primary causes of PSA rise are
benign prostatic hypertrophy (BPH) and prostatitis.  BPH happens as men
age, and it should stay at the same level or increase, but relatively
slowly.  It would unlikely to be a reason for an increase in PSA in a
younger man.  Prostatitis (inflammation of the prostate) can happen for
a variety of reasons.  If it results from an acute infection, it can be
treated with antibiotics and the PSA level should decline but I think
the amount of time that takes can be quite variable.  Chronic prosatitis
often doesn't respond to antibiotics and persists for quite a long time.
  If it is not clear to your doctor why your PSA increased, he will
probably order a biopsy.

> In case people follow individual case histories, I will post the results of
> my next test in 2 months' time, but I am pleased to learn that I am at a
> very early stage of things at present and that with good management,
> hopefully things may turn out well. I was interested also in TW's post, what
> is a DRE and why was this test done when the PSA was only 1.7?

A digital rectal exam should be routine in men past a certain age.   It
is an independent test for prostate cancer and can also help monitor the
development of BPH.   In addition, the doctor can check for hemmorhoids
and abnormalities of the rectal wall, including rectal cancer.   Some
doctors can manage to extract a small stool sample when doing a DRE and
 use it to check for occult blood in the GI tract.  It is such an easy
test that there is no reason not to do it.   Every primary care doctor
I've had since my 30s has done a DRE.

> Best wishes
>
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>>   Alan
JGT - 26 Nov 2005 00:52 GMT
Thanks very much Leonard for this useful information. I also had a slightly
elevated level of monocytes (1.2 when the norm is 0.2 to 1.0) and my Doctor
said this indicates that I might be fighting an infection, so this is also
being checked again in 2 months' time, but it may not be related in any way
to the raised PSA level? I didn't have a DRE at the last visit, but there
will be one next time. There is quite a lot to take in as a newbie to all
this, so your advice is appreciated.

Regards, Jack

>> Thanks very much to all who have replied, you have given me some very
>> good advice. I have read a lot about the PSA test on internet, but it's
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>> Jack
judamd@aol.com - 25 Nov 2005 16:54 GMT
PSA's can bounce around a bit which is why one test is of little value.
A steady upward trend with three or more tests is of concern so your
doctor is right on with his assessment.  When my PSA hit 4.9 (after a
steady climb from 2.8 over four years and prior to my biopsy), I ran to
the internet looking for good reasons to avoid the biopsy and
subsequent treatment if the news was indeed bad.  One interesting site
was one in which a guy had his PSA drawn every day for a month.  The
daily variation was startling.  I can't recall now what his exact
numbers were but his average was around the mid 4's with one week well
above 5 and and another week well below 4.  So, what with sexual
activity, bike riding, prostate massage (yup, some guys pay for this),
infection, and probably a whole lot of other things, PSA can jump
around.  The steady upward climb is what's important.
Good luck with the next couple of PSA tests.
Dave Perry
JGT - 26 Nov 2005 00:40 GMT
Thanks very much Dave for this posting. From what I have read on this thread
it seems you waited a bit longer than some others might recommend given that
there was no decrease in the PSA level over four years? Yes, the gradual
increase in the PSA is what I will be watching closely. What happened with
your biopsy, was cancer present?

Regards, Jack

> PSA's can bounce around a bit which is why one test is of little value.
> A steady upward trend with three or more tests is of concern so your
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> Good luck with the next couple of PSA tests.
> Dave Perry
judamd@aol.com - 27 Nov 2005 20:05 GMT
I waited as long as I did because at the time (2003) there were a lot
of people including my doctors who felt all was OK as long as the PSA
was below 4.0.  I too was of course in denial.  As you can guess, the
biopsy was indeed positive, had surgery a couple of months later.
Dave Perry
Thomas Traub - 25 Nov 2005 22:53 GMT
Jack,

I'll relate my recent experience, maye it will be of help to you.  My PSA
was 1.6 in April of 2004 and increased to 2.8 in April of this year.  My
internist did a DRE and thought maybe something was there so he referred me
to a urologist.  The urologist  did a DRE and also felt "something".
Because of the increase in PSA he recommended a biopsy which later confirmed
that cancer was present.  My Gleason score was 3+3 and the grade was T2a.  I
had the surgery (RRP) in August and am doing very well.  Some slight stress
incontinence.  The surgery was nowhere near as bad as I had expected.  The
pathology report said that cancer was present in 15 to 20% of my prostate.

The increase in PSA from 1.6 to 2.8 in one year was enough evidence, along
with the DRE, for my urologist to recomment the biopsy.  I am very glad that
I did and had the surgery a couple of months later.  I had a PSA test a
month after the surgery which showed "not detectable".  I'll have another
PSA test in about three weeks.

Tom

> Hello all, my first posting to this group. Two years ago my PSA was
> measured at 0.4, but in a recent blood test it has increased to 1.8. The
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>
> Jack
JGT - 26 Nov 2005 00:34 GMT
Thanks very much Thomas for this information. This certainly shows that the
"acceptable limit" of 4.0 for the PSA that is shown on my blood test form is
not as important as watching closely for a gradual increase in the PSA level
from, say, 1.0. Your experience shows me that the PSA test is very valuable
and that a DRE should also be part of the regular examinations that you
have. I'm very pleased you have made such good progress since surgery, but I
would imagine it would have been a worrying time for you prior to the
surgery. I hope all continues on well for you.

Regards, Jack

> Jack,
>
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>>
>> Jack
Thomas Traub - 26 Nov 2005 15:08 GMT
You are right.  The worst time for me was worrying about the surgery before
it happened, especially since I never had any major surgery before.   After
the surgery I was uncomfortable, but at least I knew that healing was taking
place.

> Thanks very much Thomas for this information. This certainly shows that
> the "acceptable limit" of 4.0 for the PSA that is shown on my blood test
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>>>
>>> Jack
Steve Kramer - 26 Nov 2005 01:33 GMT
Hi, Jack,

Your doc is right.  Depending on your age (the older you are, the higher
your 'safe' PSA is expected to be), 4.0 is a good standard for concern
absent any data of previous tests.  However, a better indicator of possible
prostate cancer is two successive increases of PSA.  You have had one, so
don't worry too much until you have had another.

> Hello all, my first posting to this group. Two years ago my PSA was
> measured at 0.4, but in a recent blood test it has increased to 1.8. The
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>
> Jack
JGT - 28 Nov 2005 02:27 GMT
Thanks very much Steve for this advice. The thing that puzzles me is that,
in my age group (60 - 69 bracket), if the "safe" PSA cut off is regarded as
4.0, then if I had not had any previous PSA tests, a PSA of 1.8 would have
been regarded as well within the "safe" area. But because I had a PSA
reading of 0.4 two years ago, is the increase to 1.8 seen as a possible
concern because a 0.7 increase per year might be a bit high? Am I correct in
saying this, is there an increased PSA amount per year (velocity of
increase) that is regarded as getting into an "unsafe" zone?

However, because it is often stated that the "safe" PSA rises as people get
older, at some point it is likely to start moving up. So if, for example, a
person has a PSA of 2.0 at age 65, and this increases to the "safe" PSA
level of 5.0 at age 70 (an increase of 0.6 each year over 5 years), would
this be seen as a cause for concern and the need to have a biopsy? On this
website:

http://www.gpnotebook.co.uk/cache/1980104759.htm

it says that "There has been recent guidance as to the level of PSA test
that indicates further investigation is required." For the age bracket 50-59
years, the PSA cut off (ng/ml) is >=3.0; for ages 60-69, it is >=4.0; and
for ages 70 and over, it is >=5.0. (NHS Cancer screening programmes -
Prostate Cancer Risk Management Programme (2002).

Because I am now in my mid sixties, would an increase in PSA from 1.8 to 5.0
over the next 5 years be regarded as a need to have a biopsy? I know it's
better to be safe rather than sorry, but I find the distinction between the
safe PSA cut off levels, and the acceptable level of increase per year, to
be a bit confusing!

Regards, Jack

> Hi, Jack,
>
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>>
>> Jack
judamd@aol.com - 28 Nov 2005 17:07 GMT
Yes, it is confusing.  I have a friend in his late 50's who has had
PSA's between 5.0 and 6.0 for roughly five years (zero velocity) with
no evidence of cancer in two biopsies.  Another, age 75, had a PSA of
22 (up from less than 4.0 a few years earlier) with no evidence of
cancer in the biopsy followed six months later by another PSA of 24
with nothing on the second biopsy.  Of course, a biopsy is just a
sampling, not definitive against the presence of cancer.  Since PCa is
usually multifocal, it's like trying to find raisins in a loaf of
raisin bread by sticking straws into the bread.  Sometimes the raisins
are all over the place but you never hit a one.

Of course, the higher the PSA, the more likely you are to have cancer
but it appears just as everyone here has pointed out that the PSA
velocity is much more important.  At the time of my diagnosis, any
increase of more than 0.75 per year was considered suspicious.  Mine
was almost exactly 0.75 (2.8 to 4.9 in three years).  Incidently, my
PSA had dropped back down to 3.8 just a few days before surgery  when
my uro wanted to test it one more time "for a baseline."  If I didn't
have that 4.9 which prompted the biopsy, my cancerous prostate might
still be inside me instead of smeared on glass slides in a lab storage
vault since my PSA would have gone from 3.6 to 3.8 in just about two
years and it would have been "nothing to worry about" according to my
GP.  Hah!

Finally, it sounds as if you are a bit concerned over the "need to have
a biopsy."  The greatest fear I had during my entire PCa ordeal was
going for the biopsy, much more than the surgery itself.  I was so
scared I could hardly walk.  It turned out to be nothing.  No worse
than a DRE.  I did have a numbing agent injected so that may have
helped.    Anyway, good luck with that next PSA.
Dave Perry
JGT - 28 Nov 2005 21:41 GMT
Thanks very much Dave for this valuable information. I think it is better to
get a biopsy done at an early stage if there is a concern, but when the PSA
level is "within the norm", I guess the GP would not request a biopsy unless
there were at least 2 measured increases in the PSA of 0.75 or more? But I
didn't realize the biopsy was a bit of a hit and miss affair, so I guess
some men would request a biopsy each time the PSA increased by 0.75 or more,
just in case? I don't want to get overanxious at a fairly early stage, but I
guess there is no harm in learning about the implications of a rising PSA. I
hope you are progressing well following your surgery, and it is good of you
to help a newbie like myself.

Regards, Jack

> Yes, it is confusing.  I have a friend in his late 50's who has had
> PSA's between 5.0 and 6.0 for roughly five years (zero velocity) with
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> helped.    Anyway, good luck with that next PSA.
> Dave Perry
Steve Kramer - 29 Nov 2005 11:01 GMT
I am not a doctor, but, based solely on the information you provided (great
information, too), I would say that if you are at 3.0 at 60, you need not
worry about being 4.0 at 70.  However, if you are at 0.4 at 63 and 1.8 at 65
and 3.2 at 66, you need a biopsy and you still haven't gotten to 4.0.

> Thanks very much Steve for this advice. The thing that puzzles me is that,
> in my age group (60 - 69 bracket), if the "safe" PSA cut off is regarded
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>>>
>>> Jack
JGT - 30 Nov 2005 04:15 GMT
>I am not a doctor, but, based solely on the information you provided (great
>information, too), I would say that if you are at 3.0 at 60, you need not
>worry about being 4.0 at 70.  However, if you are at 0.4 at 63 and 1.8 at
>65 and 3.2 at 66, you need a biopsy and you still haven't gotten to 4.0.

Thanks Steve for this analysis, what you are saying makes sense to me, and I
have seen a few research papers on internet that also are looking closely at
the velocity of the PSA increase. Because my PSA is now 1.8 and was 0.4 two
years ago, if my next PSA test in two months' time is still 1.8, do you
think I should ask for a biopsy, bearing in mind that there has been a 1.4
increase over the last 2 years? Or do you think that I should only be
pushing for a biopsy if the PSA goes up from 1.8 to say, 2.0 or more? I
guess if the reading goes down, it would pay to wait another 12 months or so
(without having a biopsy)  and see what happens then? Thanks for your help.

Regards, Jack
Alan Meyer - 30 Nov 2005 05:26 GMT
> ... Because my PSA is now 1.8 and was 0.4 two
> years ago, if my next PSA test in two months' time is still 1.8, do you
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> guess if the reading goes down, it would pay to wait another 12 months or so
> (without having a biopsy)  and see what happens then? Thanks for your help.

Jack,

I don't want to play doctor on the Internet.  This is a question
for a real urologist.  Now having said that, I'll give you my
non-expert, take it for what you paid for it, opinion.

I would think that if the PSA goes down, a biopsy is not
required.

If the PSa stays the same, a biopsy is still not required.

If the PSA goes up, a biopsy may or may not be required,
depending on how far up it goes.

However, if the PSA stays the same or goes up a little, you
might want to increase the frequency of PSA testing.  For
example, get a test in 6 months instead of waiting another
year.  That way if something is going on, you'll find out about
it 6 months sooner than otherwise.

   Alan
JGT - 30 Nov 2005 06:49 GMT
>> ... Because my PSA is now 1.8 and was 0.4 two
>> years ago, if my next PSA test in two months' time is still 1.8, do you
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>    Alan

Thanks very much Alan, your approach sounds very sensible. I found this
study on internet which concluded that men whose PSA levels rose by more
than 2.0 ng/mL in the year prior to diagnosis had significantly shorter
times to cancer recurrence and death than those whose PSA velocity was less
than 2.0 ng/mL.

http://www.labtestsonline.org/news/psa040806.html

This emphasises what people have been telling me on this thread about the
velocity issue.

I was also interested to read about the benefits of selenium for cancer
patients, I wonder if patients with prostate cancer routinely take selenium
supplements?

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/selenium.asp

Selenium and cancer
Observational studies indicate that death from cancer, including lung,
colorectal, and prostate cancers, is lower among people with higher blood
levels or intake of selenium. In addition, the incidence of nonmelanoma skin
cancer is significantly higher in areas of the United States with low soil
selenium content. The effect of selenium supplementation on the recurrence
of different types of skin cancers was studied in seven dermatology clinics
in the U.S. from 1983 through the early 1990s. Taking a daily supplement
containing 200 ?g of selenium did not affect recurrence of skin cancer, but
significantly reduced the occurrence and death from total cancers. The
incidence of prostate cancer, colorectal cancer, and lung cancer was notably
lower in the group given selenium supplements.

Regards, Jack
Steve Kramer - 30 Nov 2005 11:36 GMT
> I was also interested to read about the benefits of selenium for cancer
> patients, I wonder if patients with prostate cancer routinely take
> selenium supplements?

Several of us do.

Signature

PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .05 .08
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

judamd@aol.com - 30 Nov 2005 17:34 GMT
I washed my hair nearly every day for forty years using Head an
Shoulders.  This shampoo has recently been reformulated to eliminate
the selenium component for fear people might overdose on selenium by
absorbing it through the scalp.  I don't know if I OD'd on it or not
but it didn't keep me from getting PCa.
Dave Perry
Brian - 01 Dec 2005 00:33 GMT
> Observational studies indicate that death from cancer, including lung,
> colorectal, and prostate cancers, is lower among people with higher blood
> levels or intake of selenium.

My snide sense of humor reminds me that people who have a high level, or
intake, of cyanide also have a lower death rate from cancers of all types...
Steve Kramer - 30 Nov 2005 11:33 GMT
>>I am not a doctor, but, based solely on the information you provided
>>(great information, too), I would say that if you are at 3.0 at 60, you
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> another 12 months or so (without having a biopsy)  and see what happens
> then? Thanks for your help.

Again, only a layman's opinion....  but you are close enough to the velocity
precepts that I would be concerned if it goes up at all.  But, do not count
on it.  Remember, there are several things that can elevate PSA for any
single reading.  It just may be that you will dip back below 1.0 again if
you have no sex within 48 hours of your next reading, have no infection, get
no DRE prior to, etc., etc.  So, I'd say if it goes up, worry.  If it goes
down, don't.  If it stays the same, get another one in two more months.
JGT - 01 Dec 2005 01:59 GMT
>>>I am not a doctor, but, based solely on the information you provided
>>>(great information, too), I would say that if you are at 3.0 at 60, you
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> worry.  If it goes down, don't.  If it stays the same, get another one in
> two more months.
Thanks for these comments Steve, here's hoping it dips below 1.0 again, but
if not, I see no harm in taking a conservative approach. This way, you would
have no regrets later and would not be able to say, "if only the doctor had
asked for a biopsy earlier". After all, it is a pretty awful adversary that
I may be up against if the reading doesn't go down.

Incidentally, I see that a new cancer drug developed in Australia called
"tirapazamine" has cured humans suffering neck and head cancers, and could
be used for lung, throat and cervical tumours (Fairfax newspapers reported
recently). Lester Peters, a world leader in cancer research from Melbourne,
is leading the drug's trial. I am not sure whether the drug may help with
prostate cancer, but it is claimed that tirapazamine is "dramatically
improving survival rates and could be available to the public within 12
months." Researchers say Olympic gold medalist Cathy Freeman's former
husband, Sandy Bodecker, had used the drug and made a full recovery from
what was diagnosed as inoperable throat cancer. Professor Peters said that
tirapazamine worked by targeting cancer cells that were starved of oxygen,
which were typically resistant to conventional treatment and particularly
malignant. The drug is used with chemotherapy and radiation therapy.

Regards, Jack
DonC - 30 Nov 2005 15:04 GMT
>>I am not a doctor, but, based solely on the information you provided
>>(great information, too), I would say that if you are at 3.0 at 60, you
>>need not worry about being 4.0 at 70.  However, if you are at 0.4 at 63
>>and 1.8 at 65 and 3.2 at 66, you need a biopsy and you still haven't
>>gotten to 4.0.

Are you saying that if I was 3.5 @ 60 I should not have worried about being
6 at 62?

Actually, I went from 3.5 to 3.7 to 5.94  from age 60 to 62.
Steve Kramer - 30 Nov 2005 23:29 GMT
No, I am saying that gradually going up 1.0 over a decade is a lot different
than going up 2.4 in two years.

Signature

PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05, 5/05, 10/05
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .05 .08
Non Illegitimi Carborundum

>>>I am not a doctor, but, based solely on the information you provided
>>>(great information, too), I would say that if you are at 3.0 at 60, you
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> Actually, I went from 3.5 to 3.7 to 5.94  from age 60 to 62.
gourd_dancer - 02 Dec 2005 04:46 GMT
Jack, I hope I do not confuse you so please discuss this with your
Physician. Ranges by age and number is the old method of judging wj\hether
one is a high candidate for PCa. About 18 months ago the PCA Industry
changed because a lot of people where diagnosed with PCa well below the
established ranges.

Today the general thought is Velocity; ie, the rate of change in the PSA
when measured against Time. For example, if one's PSA for the past ten years
was 1.1 and last January it was 1.8 and today it was 2.8 and the age was say
60 years old, then there would be concern and a biopsy would be appropriate.
In this example the 2.8 is well below the 4.0 measure, but is increasing
about 2.5 fold in the past year.

I am not a Doctor. However, there are Doctors, like my comapany assigned
HMO, that was not aware nor well read, and therefore when my PSA went from
2.2 to 3.5 at age 54 was not concerned. So "not concerned" was he that when
it went to 4.0, he did not botehr to tell me......

So I am screwed......

> Thanks very much Steve for this advice. The thing that puzzles me is that,
> in my age group (60 - 69 bracket), if the "safe" PSA cut off is regarded
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>>>
>>> Jack
JGT - 02 Dec 2005 19:18 GMT
> Jack, I hope I do not confuse you so please discuss this with your
> Physician. Ranges by age and number is the old method of judging wj\hether
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>
> So I am screwed......

Thanks very much for these insights, I have benefited a lot from the
information that has been given to me in this newsgroup. Although
I have an excellent Doctor, I am taking the precaution of getting
copies of my blood tests. When I first saw that my PSA was 1.8
compared with 0.4 two years ago, I didn't think anything
was wrong because the acceptable limit was shown on the form
as 4.0. The next day my Doctor phoned me and said that a
fourfold increase in the PSA over two years was of some concern
and a repeat test was necessary in two months' time. So I am
lucky that my Doctor is up to date with this velocity issue, but I
was surprised when I first learned of it. I am sorry to hear of
your negative experience.

Regards, Jack
 
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