PSA Velocity and Doubling Time Better Predictors for Outcomes After
Radical Prostatectomy
November 10, 2005 In the largest study of its kind to date, Mayo
Clinic researchers report that prostate specific antigen (PSA) kinetics,
both velocity and doubling time, can be used to predict disease
progression and likelihood of death after radical prostatectomy surgery,
suggesting that this could be used to guide treatment decisions. Study
results are published in the December issue of The Journal of Urology.
"The level of PSA in the blood has less prognostic value than we
previously thought, and we don't have another serum marker to help us,"
says Michael Blute, M.D., Mayo Clinic urologist and lead investigator of
the study. "It was important for us to find other ways to look at PSA
data and translate that into information that will save lives, and I
believe we have done that."
Dr. Blute and his fellow researchers reviewed the records of 2,290
patients with multiple preoperative PSA measurements, as well as 5,176
patients with only one preoperative measurement, looking at the rate at
which PSA increased in the body thought to indicate cancer growth.
This was measured as both the PSA velocity (PSAV), the rate of increase
in PSA levels over time, and the PSA doubling time (PSADT), a measure of
how quickly PSA levels double. The researchers found that while PSAV is
simpler to calculate, PSADT may be a better indicator of untreated
prostate cancer.
Over an average follow-up period of about seven years, cancer spread or
recurrence, and deaths from cancer were recorded. Biochemical
progression was noted in 25.5 percent of the patients, clinical
progression in 6.8 percent and cancer death in 1.8 percent. PSAV and
PSADT both predicted progression and death. PSAV greater than 3.4 ng/ml
yearly correlated to men being 6.54 times more likely to die than those
with lower PSAV. PSADT quicker than 18 months correlated to the risk of
death being 6.22 times higher than for those with longer PSADT.
"This provides valuable pretreatment prognostic factors for prostate
cancer," says primary author Shomik Sengupta, M.D. "We hope that our
work will help in the doctor-patient discussion and result in more
informed decisions relating to observation, intervention and adjuvant
treatment."
The study group consisted of patients who had undergone radical
prostatectomy for prostate cancer between 1990 and 1999 at Mayo Clinic.
Preoperative and postoperative PSA measurements were obtained from
referring physicians and/or Mayo laboratory testing.
Other Mayo Clinic researchers who contributed to this study include
Robert Myers, M.D.; Jeffrey Slezak; Eric Bergstralh; and Horst Zincke,
M.D., Ph.D.
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
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I. P. Freely - 15 Nov 2005 17:48 GMT
"c palmer" posted
> The level of PSA in the blood has less prognostic value
> than we previously thought
Discouraging, in the sense that my PSA level wasn't all that bad, compared
to my PSA kinetics -- the REAL threats. Slightly reassuring in that my
kinetics weren't up to the thresholds in this study.
> we don't have another serum marker to help us,"
Reassuring, in the sense that I initially questioned my onc's statement to
that effect when I asked him about the long list of markers some authors,
such as Strum, suggest or recommend tracking. I'd much prefer living life to
wallowing in apparently useless data.
> Over an average follow-up period of about seven years . . .
> Biochemical progression was noted in 25.5 percent . . .
> clinical progression in 6.8 percent and cancer death in 1.8 percent.
That's also reassuring, for several reasons:
1. Only 6.8 clinical failures and 1.8% deaths? Compared to earlier progs of
a 10-20% chance of making five or ten years (I forget the specifics 'cause I
can't do a damn thing about them), I LIKE those odds, compared to those of
other cancers and many other causes. I never expected to live forever.
2. Compared to nearly 100% of ADT pts disabled to a debatably significant
degree, 6.8% is a giant slice of Mom's apple pie a la microwaved Bluebell
French Vanilla ice cream in my book.
3. Seven years? Man, that's YEARS of livin' and lovin' and playin'. Beats
getting hit by a truck tomorrow ALL to hell.
> This provides valuable pretreatment prognostic factors for prostate
> cancer. We hope that our work will help in the doctor-patient
> discussion and result in more informed decisions relating to
> observation, intervention and adjuvant treatment.
Every new PCa pt should hit his GP and maybe his uro and onc over the head
with that comment and this study.
I.P.
Alan Meyer - 16 Nov 2005 02:26 GMT
...
> Over an average follow-up period of about seven years, cancer
> spread or recurrence, and deaths from cancer were recorded.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> correlated to the risk of death being 6.22 times higher than
> for those with longer PSADT.
...
One way to look at these numbers might be something like this:
If you have "biochemical progression" (i.e., your PSA rises),
then you will have the following probabilities of events within
seven years:
"Clinical progression" = 6.8/25.5 = 27% probability.
Death = 1.8/25.5 = 7% probability.
I know what "death" means. I presume "clinical progression"
means the development of other indicators of disease besides
rising PSA, but not necessarily including subjectively
noticeable symptoms and pain.
The abstact doesn't say whether there is a difference here
between men taking hormone therapy or chemotherapy vs. those
that don't. It would be useful to see those numbers from the
same sample population.
Well, as I.P. says, at least those numbers beat getting hit by
a truck tomorrow.
Alan