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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / September 2005Opinions please
I had seeds for PC in April 98 preceded by Lupron and Eulexin for four months to shrink my prostate. Here is a listing of my PSAs since then: 10/98---0.2 4/99----0.5 10/99--0.8 4/00----0.9 10/00--1.4 4/01----2.1 6/01----2.5 10/01--2.41 2/02----2.47 5/02----2.90 9/02----2.91 4/03----2.75 9/03----2.99 4/04----3.39 9/04----3.36 4/05----3.04 9/05----3.24 As you can see, the slow rise has stopped and it appears to have settled down. My uro is not concerned. What do you experts think? ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') I just graphed it, Mike. You would expect after April 98, your PSA would do exactly the inverse of what it did. Your case is especially perplexing in that it seemed to be nearly doubling up to July 2001 and then, for no apparent reason, it started leveling off -- but still rising. Then, as I recall, you started some supplements during 2004 and your PSA has since leveled... actually decreased slightly. Did you do anything different during 2001? To answer your question, I would guess you have residual cancer in your body. If you made no changes in your treatment during 2001, something, maybe an abnormal immune system, seems to be learning how to handle it. It is the oddest thing I've read in this newsgroup or anywhere else. I should think your doctor would have you studied.  SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05 PSA .07 .05 .06 .05 non Illegitimi carborundum I had seeds for PC in April 98 preceded by Lupron and Eulexin for four months to shrink my prostate. Here is a listing of my PSAs since then: 10/98---0.2 4/99----0.5 10/99--0.8 4/00----0.9 10/00--1.4 4/01----2.1 6/01----2.5 10/01--2.41 2/02----2.47 5/02----2.90 9/02----2.91 4/03----2.75 9/03----2.99 4/04----3.39 9/04----3.36 4/05----3.04 9/05----3.24 As you can see, the slow rise has stopped and it appears to have settled down. My uro is not concerned. What do you experts think? ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') >>Then, as I recall, you started some >> supplements during 2004 and your >> PSA has since leveled... actually >> decreased slightly. >>Did you do anything different during >>2001? My guess is that the supplements have boosted my immune system enough to fight any remaining cancer cells. At any rate, my uro says that he wouldn't recommend any further treatment until the PSA got up to 10. At the present rate, I will probably die of old age before that happens (I will be 77 in November). ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') So, did you celebrate your birthday in '99 with an operation? SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05 PSA .07 .05 .06 .05 non Illegitimi carborundum >>Then, as I recall, you started some >> supplements during 2004 and your >> PSA has since leveled... actually >> decreased slightly. >>Did you do anything different during >>2001? My guess is that the supplements have boosted my immune system enough to fight any remaining cancer cells. At any rate, my uro says that he wouldn't recommend any further treatment until the PSA got up to 10. At the present rate, I will probably die of old age before that happens (I will be 77 in November). ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') >I just graphed it, Mike. You would expect after April 98, your PSA would do > exactly the inverse of what it did. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > is the oddest thing I've read in this newsgroup or anywhere else. I should > think your doctor would have you studied. I remember this too. It was after reading about Mike's case that I started taking lots of supplements - particularly drinking tomato juice to get the lycopene. Mike, Although I'm no expert, I can't see any reason to disagree with what your doctor is doing - which is nothing. I presume the slowly rising PSA indicates that you still have cancer. But at that rate it could rise for several decades before it starts to look even remotely dangerous. The only treatment available to you after radiation is hormone therapy. HT would probably lower your PSA from 3.whatever to below 0.1. But what good would it do you? You'd suffer all the side effects of HT and the only benefit would be your very small and somnolent cancer would become even more somnolent. You have no symptoms of cancer and, if this rate of growth continues, you'll never have any symptoms. HT would do you more harm than the cancer is doing. I would save the HT for some time when and if you really need it. Meanwhile, I'm going to keep drinking tomato juice and hope to do as well as you have. Alan Alan wrote: >>Meanwhile, I'm going to keep drinking >> tomato juice and hope to do as well as >> you have. I take my tomato juice as "tomato soup" I heat the juice in the microwave, and add a dollop of Olivio (margarine). I am also taking a Gamma E/selenium supplement as well as D3, Boron, and ground flaxseed. I use soy milk (Silk) on my Fiber One cereal. I don't know which ones are helping but I plan to continue. ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') Alan wrote: >>Meanwhile, I'm going to keep drinking >> tomato juice and hope to do as well as >> you have. > I take my tomato juice as "tomato soup" I heat the juice in > the microwave, and add a dollop of Olivio (margarine). I am > also taking a Gamma E/selenium supplement as well as D3, Boron, > and ground flaxseed. I use soy milk (Silk) on my Fiber One > cereal. I don't know which ones are helping but I plan to > continue. Ah yes, I remember the soup with margarine. The soup sounds good, but the margarine might be a bit more than I'm prepared for. The data on all these things is so skimpy it's impossible to tell what works and what doesn't. I alternate between wanting to use all of the supplements and not believing in any of them. Whatever is working for you, I hope it keeps on working. ---MIKE--- >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire >> (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') Sounds like a beautiful place to be. Alan
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