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Steve M. - 28 Sep 2003 23:12 GMT
I tried Viagra at 25mg with no results. (8 weeks post op.) This is the
first experience ever with Viagra. No side effects were experienced.
The literature indicates several doses may be needed before one starts
to see results. Is it early to expect results after surgery? Should
the next step be to move up to 50mg or continue at 25mg a few times?
What dosage typically gets results?

Steve M.
jk - 29 Sep 2003 00:54 GMT
> I tried Viagra at 25mg with no results. (8 weeks post op.) This is the
> first experience ever with Viagra. No side effects were experienced.
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>
> Steve M.

 In my opinion you are too early to see any results. It's not magic.  If
you're not getting anything without, you'll probably not see much with it.
When you get to the point where you're starting to see a little life, it
will make it much better, stronger, and last longer with it.  I would start
with 100mg and then taper off when it's working well to save $$. Good luck!

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ehall8 @ removethis houston.rr.com - 09 Oct 2003 17:27 GMT
>> I tried Viagra at 25mg with no results. (8 weeks post op.) This is the
>> first experience ever with Viagra. No side effects were experienced.
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>will make it much better, stronger, and last longer with it.  I would start
>with 100mg and then taper off when it's working well to save $$. Good luck!

I tried 50 mg viagra at 6 weeks post op and got a pretty good
erection. I am 46 and just posted today my post op psa as well < 0.1
Hoorah!!!!
David S. - 10 Oct 2003 01:05 GMT
   Congratulations on the PSA.  May it stay that low for good.

> I tried 50 mg viagra at 6 weeks post op and got a pretty good
> erection. I am 46 and just posted today my post op psa as well < 0.1
> Hoorah!!!!
jk - 10 Oct 2003 06:20 GMT
> >> I tried Viagra at 25mg with no results. (8 weeks post op.) This is the
> >> first experience ever with Viagra. No side effects were experienced.
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> erection. I am 46 and just posted today my post op psa as well < 0.1
> Hoorah!!!!

  What happens is that you start getting cheaper and cheaper with each
dose. You take 1/2.... then 1/4. I'm at the stage where I bite off a little
piece.... really. After awhile we'll pass it in front of our noses for a
good whiff, and see if we can get a "contact high erection". All I know is
that I try to be a bigshot and go without it sometimes, and it is not nearly
as good as with it, even a tiny amount.

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MH - 10 Oct 2003 13:17 GMT
> > I tried 50 mg viagra at 6 weeks post op and got a pretty good
> > erection. I am 46 and just posted today my post op psa as well < 0.1
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> that I try to be a bigshot and go without it sometimes, and it is not nearly
> as good as with it, even a tiny amount.

I'm glad to hear that some of you are having success with Viagra.  At almost
11 months post-op, with both nerve bundles spared, I still get *nothing*
from it.

MikeH
David S. - 11 Oct 2003 01:05 GMT
   I had ED problems going in and the Viagra, which worked fine two years
ago at 50 mg., no longer gave reliable results at 100 mg.   I am going to
ask for a prescription for Levitra after all the Viaga is used up - I am
taking 25 mg. about three times per week as a therapeutic measure.  No
results so far.

> > > I tried 50 mg viagra at 6 weeks post op and got a pretty good
> > > erection. I am 46 and just posted today my post op psa as well < 0.1
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>
> MikeH
jk - 11 Oct 2003 04:44 GMT
> > > I tried 50 mg viagra at 6 weeks post op and got a pretty good
> > > erection. I am 46 and just posted today my post op psa as well < 0.1
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>
> MikeH

  Do you get anything at all with or without it? Unless you are older than
65, you are still in the early curve, as far as getting results. Do you
practice with dry orgasms? Are you getting adequate stimulation? I was using
it limp as much as humanly possible as soon as the cath was out. I think
that was a big factor in my success. Have you tried the pump, etc? Use
whatever you can to get it to wake up. I'm at a year post RP, and I still
have a ways to go before I am what I consider to be back to normal. Don't
despair, from what I have read here, it can take 2-3 years in some cases. If
both nerves were spared, it's just a matter of time.

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MH - 11 Oct 2003 15:47 GMT
>    Do you get anything at all with or without it? Unless you are older than
> 65, you are still in the early curve, as far as getting results. Do you
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> despair, from what I have read here, it can take 2-3 years in some cases. If
> both nerves were spared, it's just a matter of time.

Hi, JK....
I can have an orgasm with it limp.... and I do that at least several times a
week.  I was doing it everyday, but with the meds for depression, it's
almost impossible to orgasm, so I don't try as often now.  I have a pump,
and I have used it off and on.  I have injections that I use occasionally,
but they are uncomfortable.  I don't mean painful, as with the Caverject,
that I was allergic to.  But, even on a small dose that gives me a not so
hard erection I still have a sensation of it being too tight... and it is
curved more than before surgery.  I don't think it's to the point of calling
it Peyronie's, but will ask my uro when I see him next month.  I take a
small amount of Viagra almost every night.  Without the pump or injections,
I do get some fullness... but it's not firm enough to use.  I have not
noticed any nocturnal erections at all... not even partial ones.  I will be
11 months post op next week.  I have had some people tell me it took them
two years before Viagra did anything for them.  So I try to remain hopeful.
But, right now, with these meds... there's not a whole lot of interest.
I'm glad to hear you are having some success!

Take care....
MikeH
jk - 11 Oct 2003 22:27 GMT
> >    Do you get anything at all with or without it? Unless you are older
> than
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> Take care....
> MikeH

  You are definitely on the right road by your results. It just takes time,
and it happens very gradually. It's not like one day it jumps 50%. Although
I  am doing better than most at 1 year, I am just now getting a little
spontaneous firmness, every once in awhile. That's new. Other than that, it
takes real effort to acheive results. I expect it to keep improving for
another 1-2 years. Hey .... it's beter than having cancer, right?

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Gogarty - 16 Oct 2003 21:48 GMT
>   You are definitely on the right road by your results. It just takes time,
>and it happens very gradually. It's not like one day it jumps 50%. Although
>I  am doing better than most at 1 year, I am just now getting a little
>spontaneous firmness, every once in awhile. That's new. Other than that, it
>takes real effort to acheive results. I expect it to keep improving for
>another 1-2 years. Hey .... it's beter than having cancer, right?

Right! But it gets better. I have actually awakened twice with a morning
erection just like in the old days. Four years post-op.
Hi Ho Silver - 29 Sep 2003 04:01 GMT
I have had very good recent results with a vacuum pump.  Bought at Eckerds
for $99, works far better than Viagara for me.  It is constructed so that
the cock ring fits on the end and is slipped off at the right place after
the vacuum has created the erection.  Viagra still gives me too much a
headache and stuffy feeling, and is of minimal benefit.  Just FYI.

John
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> I tried Viagra at 25mg with no results. (8 weeks post op.) This is the
> first experience ever with Viagra. No side effects were experienced.
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>
> Steve M.
Gogarty - 30 Sep 2003 20:02 GMT
>I tried Viagra at 25mg with no results. (8 weeks post op.) This is the
>first experience ever with Viagra. No side effects were experienced.
>The literature indicates several doses may be needed before one starts
>to see results. Is it early to expect results after surgery? Should
>the next step be to move up to 50mg or continue at 25mg a few times?
>What dosage typically gets results?

There was a study not long ago that indicated that men who start taking
Viagra immediately after durgery and seven times more likely to regain
full functioning as those who do not. Pfizer funded the study so one
wonders. Nonetheless, try taking 25mg per day as therapy, not as a
recreational drug. I was nearly three yerars post op when I read this
but I have sine been taking 25 mg every day. Something is working. Of
course, it could be just time but I don't think so.  In any case if you
take it regulatrly like thet then it beconmes routine and not something
you do because you expect or hope to have sex.

Trouble is, it's expensive. I buy 100 mg tablets and split them, and
they don't split bvery well. If you ever look at the so called discount
sites for Viagra you will see that they say things like "Only $3 a
dose." But what they are selling you is 100mg tabs that you then split
to get a 25 mg "does." Scam!
Steve M. - 02 Oct 2003 23:47 GMT
I used the study you mentioned when I asked my doctor to send a
request for authorization to my insurance company for nine months of
Viagra.  The doctor's assistant asked for guidance in writing the
letter, so I outlined a complete letter from the doctor to my
insurance company. It covered the recommendation for Viagra as post
operative treatment for a period of up to nine months to enhance
recovery. I heard from the assistant that the insurance had agreed to
cover the Viagra for up to the nine month period! It never hurts to
ask particularly when it is justified. Others out there who have
recently had the surgery should ask their surgeon to send a request
for authorization when the insurance company does not normally cover
the medication.  An insurance agent suggested this procedure to me
when I called to inquire.
Steve M.
PSA May 1, 2003 5.9 Total, % Free .58
Biopsy May 20, 2003: Gleason Grade of 3+4=7,
RRP Aug. 1, 2003; Gleason Grade of 3+4=7, 15% of gland involved;
perineural invasion present on left side so that nerve bundle removed;
lymph nodes-no evidence of malignancy; tumor was organ confined.
Next PSA Nov. 3, 2003...


>There was a study not long ago that indicated that men who start taking
> Viagra immediately after surgery are seven times more likely to regain
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> dose." But what they are selling you is 100mg tabs that you then split
> to get a 25 mg "does." Scam!
annaberry - 07 Oct 2006 01:47 GMT
I tried cialis and like how it last longer and no headaches, but thats just
me.  either way, just look at these prices...lol http://www.mensgenerics.com
Just do a google search and compare, plus the shipping is FREE!
Until the US gets some way of providing affordable healthcare, i refuse to
get ripped off and pay $10 a pill... what a joke when it costs pennies to
make.

>I tried Viagra at 25mg with no results. (8 weeks post op.) This is the
>first experience ever with Viagra. No side effects were experienced.
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>
>Steve M.

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