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Vitamin V and its use: a question.

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chuck.mcclellan - 17 Aug 2005 23:04 GMT
Okay.  This will undoubtedly be a repeat of a previous question but I
noticed it this morning and it got me to wondering about Viagra and the
other two 'Willie-up'meds.  It's been two years since my RRP and one
year since my EBRT and Lupron.  I have tried all three ED meds with
so-so results; sometimes better and sometimes just a headache and blue
flashing that takes me back to the hippie days.  Then I read, this
morning in a thread, a couple of people talking about putting Viagra
UNDER the tongue like a nitro pill instead of just downing it.  Am I
reading this correctly?  Have I missed someting in the flyers and
directions? Does this somehow enhance the effects in some manner?  Does
it cause a more potent effectiveness of the dose?  Perhaps it
exacerbates the effects and adds to its longevity?  It can't taste like
a good steak or a fine cabranet(spelling?)sauvignon.  Or does it?  I
have had a Celebrex explode in my mouth once and that was enough to gag
a maggot.  So, please, someone enlighten me.  If this is some sort of
secret weapon in regaining use of Willie I'd sure like to know.

Thank you all
Chuck McClellan
Steve U - 17 Aug 2005 23:26 GMT
I've never tried the sublinqual route, but I have found that if I chew
the pill or crush it first, I'm ready to go in about 10 minutes with
viagra or Levitra. Cialis is slower, but of course it lasts much
longer.
Steve U
Ron B - 18 Aug 2005 02:02 GMT
Sublingual administration (under the tongue) of just about any med has a
faster response time due to the highly vascular nature of the area.

The heavy duty blood supply helps a great deal.

The rectal area has a great blood supply too but I'm not putting the
Cialis...oh, you know.  :-)

Ron B.

Chicago
Buttercup's Dad - 18 Aug 2005 12:14 GMT
Oral administration has not worked.  Hmmm.  Maybe I will experiment with
rectal...  If effective, I can see the ad now.  Good looking 40's something
woman sitting in the porch swing with that little smile on her face.  "Do
you want a more satisfying experience"?   Then stick it....

> Sublingual administration (under the tongue) of just about any med has a
> faster response time due to the highly vascular nature of the area.
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Chicago
Justin Case - 18 Aug 2005 18:01 GMT
> Oral administration has not worked.  Hmmm.  Maybe I will experiment with
> rectal...  If effective, I can see the ad now.  Good looking 40's something
> woman sitting in the porch swing with that little smile on her face.  "Do
> you want a more satisfying experience"?   Then stick it....

This is really off-topic but your comment reminded me of a joke I heard a
long time ago for which I beg your indulgence:

This hillbilly (apologies to hillbillies who may be reading this) was
suffering from a rather severe case of constipation.  He described his
anguish to his friendly, compassionate home town medical doctor who gave him
a few suppositories wrapped in foil, with the instructions, "Insert these in
your rectum and your problems should be solved."  About a week later the
victim and the doctor met on the street and the physician inquired about the
results of his treatment.  The patient said, "Well, doc, I looked around my
home and I couldn't find any rectum so I put them in my Postum."  The
horrified doctor replied, "Why man, that wouldn't do you any good!" to which
the hillbilly said, "Yeah, for all the good they were I could've stuck them
up my arse."

Ken Bland
c palmer - 18 Aug 2005 16:48 GMT
Wed, Aug 17, 2005, 8:02pm From: Gimel@webtv.net (Ron B)

Sublingual administration (under the tongue) of just about any med has a
faster response time due to the highly vascular nature of the area.
The heavy duty blood supply helps a great deal.
The rectal area has a great blood supply too but I'm not putting the
Cialis...oh, you know. :-)
Ron B.
Chicago
===========hi ron -

when i was in the navy, the ship was taking on very heavy seas.  we were
bouncing around pretty good and i was talking to "doc" our medical guy.
he was a dry humor type person.  well seasoned to the navy and many
years of service to his credit.

well, this new guy - fresh out of boot camp came up.  it was just out of
the cartoons.  picture daffy duck, with the color of green scrubs.  i
mean this guy was sea sick big time.

he grabs the doc by the shirt.  "doc!  doc!  you gotta help me!!"  (see,
just like daffy duck)

doc just looked at him and said, "sea sick?"

"yeah, doc!!!   sea sick!!!"    "you gotta do something!!!"

doc just look at him calmly and said, "wait here"  

then we went into sick bay and brought out a suppository foil pak and
gave it to him.

the sailor is was just 18, must have not seen  a suppository asked doc,
"what do i do with this?"

doc never missed a beat and just looked at his dryly and said, "stick it
up your a.s"

so, here this kid is......... just like the cartoon character that had
his mind blown.  staggering down the passageway, holding this never
before seen, foil pak, green to the gills, with the mindless look on his
face of what to do.

as he wondered off, i ask doc, "weren't you a little hard on him?"

he looked at me and said, "what do you want me to do?  if i give him
anything orally, his stomach is so upset, he would throw it right back
up before it could do any good.  so the only way to get the med into his
body is suppository."

i said, "but doc, you could have told him a little better"

doc just looked at me and shrugged his shoulders and said, "i did"

=========> thanks ron for sparking the memories.........

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
Ron B - 18 Aug 2005 20:43 GMT
The joke by Curtis brought up another thought...

in the drugstore...whenever a suppository was prescribed (Compazine for
nausea, Dulcolax for bowel evacuation)...we always said "remove the foil
first".

When I first began, I thought that this was weird but after time, I
learned how many folks didn't know to remove the foil.

So...better safe than sorry.

:-)

Ron B.

Chicago
chuck.mcclellan - 19 Aug 2005 11:20 GMT
Don't forget the one about the woman with 12 kids.  Her doctor listened
to her plea for birth control as she got pregnent everytime her husband
hung his pants on the bed post.  The good doctor handed her some foam
and sent her home. A month later she was back pregnant.  "Didn't you
use the foam?"  He asked.  "Yes I did doctor and I must tell you it
tastes awful."

Chuck McClellan
Justin Case - 19 Aug 2005 22:34 GMT
> Don't forget the one about the woman with 12 kids.  Her doctor listened
> to her plea for birth control as she got pregnent everytime her husband
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>
> Chuck McClellan

True story, so help me:

The elderly lady recovering in the hospital from something was asked by her
doctor about her treatment and satisfaction with hospital meals.  She told
him that the meals were all right but "that Kentucky jelly" was awful.  Yep,
she'd been spreading K-Y Jelly on her toast.

Ken Bland
Stephen Jordan - 20 Aug 2005 00:00 GMT
On August 19, Justin Case made a contribution to a string of medic jokes
with which this NG has become afflicted.

Well I'm not gonna miss this opportunity to contribute to the affliction:

"While acquainting myself with a new elderly patient, I asked,
  'How long have you been bed-ridden?' After a look of complete
  confusion she answered 'Why, not for about twenty years
  -- when my husband was alive.'"

  --Dr. Steven Swanson, Corvallis, OR

Hee hee. Thanks, Heather.

Regards,

Steve J

"Be respectful to your superiors. If you have any."
-- Mark Twain, "Advice to Youth"

(IMO, it's also good advice for us geezers)
Claude - 18 Aug 2005 02:44 GMT
It can't taste like
> a good steak or a fine cabranet(spelling?)sauvignon.  Or does it?  I
> have had a Celebrex explode in my mouth once and that was enough to gag
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Thank you all
> Chuck McClellan

It is *very* bitter.
Buttercup's Dad - 18 Aug 2005 12:17 GMT
My uro was a straight, starched, professional kind of guy.  No jokes with
him.  The one time I saw him smile was when I mentioned the blue haze with
the Viagra.  I always wondered what was behind that smile?

> <snip>  I have tried all three ED meds with
> so-so results; sometimes better and sometimes just a headache and blue
> flashing that takes me back to the hippie days.
> <snip>
> Thank you all
> Chuck McClellan
 
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