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Incontinence specialist update.

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David S. - 28 Jul 2005 13:09 GMT
   Spoke yesterday to the Physicians Assistant at the incontinence
specialist's office.  Had a very good conversation with this man.  He took a
lot of time to answer my questions and fully explain things.  The main
points were:

   You will probably still need to wear a pad.  One, the extent to which
the device clamps down on the urethra has to be limited otherwise it would
cause damage.  So it is not like a faucet that "completely" shuts off the
flow.  The main cause of leakage is that men do not wait for the device to
automatically reactivate before putting Willie back home.  It takes a full
minute for the valve to let the fluid back into the device to close off the
urethra, so there is often leakage during that time.  There is also leakage
just as we have now with stooping, lifting heavy objects, sneezing or
coughing hard, etc.  Expectations have to be reasonable.  Getting the device
does not mean completely getting away from pads, although some patients do
not use them any longer.  Of course, what is needed is the panty liner kind
of absorbent pad, not the large ones like I now use.  He said to expect a
80-90 percent improvement.

   Plan to be hurting for a week to ten days.  Sitting will be
uncomfortable until the bruising goes away.  In this case, being an office
worker is a liability.  I will need to take a week or more off work.  Use a
donut to help ease the discomfort of sitting.  Cannot drive for a week
either, for the same reason.  If on pain medication the driving may be put
off longer, but the week to ten days is the norm.

   No catheter is required unless there are other problems involved.  The
way he talked it sounded like that did not happen often and it really does
not have to do with the artificial sphincter surgery but rather other things
that the patient may have to have done at the same time.  No detail on what
he meant.

   The device has an on/off switch.  Last year he got calls twice from men
who had accidentally shut off the device and could not urinate.  He just
talked them through hitting the correct switch to turn it back on and then
they were fine.  Be aware of the these switches and learn how to use them.
In the middle of the night there is no one to call for help!

   The natural sphincter does not atrophy after placement of the device.
If for some reason the artificial sphincter has to be removed you do not
lose ground, but do go back to where you were before.  That one was
important to me.  This is not an irreversible step (the penile implant is).

   If it is necessary to change the position of the clamping mechanism
there could be an implication for the penile implant surgery.  The urethra
gets smaller the further away you get from the base of the bladder.  The
smallest clamp, tube, whatever they call it, may be too big if it is
necessary to place it further down the line.  In that case they take some
tissue from the penis to put around the urethra to make for a tighter fit.
That part could make placement of a penile implant difficult.  He did not
elaborate on the why of that, but just be aware and ask your doctor if this
could be an issue.  My wife is okay with the artificial sphincter, but she
is against the penile implant (keep me away from all the widows in the
neighborhood???).

   That covers it I think.  I will contact the insurance company to confirm
that they will pay for this surgery (and ask about the penile implant too).
The doctor that I am seeing has done over a thousand of these artificial
sphincter surgeries, so I feel confident that he knows what he is doing.  I
would not go to just anyone for something like this.

   Thank you.  Good luck if you decide to proceed in this direction, and
please report your experience here for the benefit of others facing this
decision.

David S.  (card carrying member of the leakers club).
Tdub - 28 Jul 2005 14:14 GMT
Which regard to your comment that, "There is also leakage just as we
have now with stooping, lifting heavy objects, sneezing or coughing
hard, etc.", I read that the AMS 800 responds to such incidents by
clamping down harder at the inception of such events. Perhaps it's
function in this regard isn't perfect, and thus the representation by
the provider-assistant.
David S. - 28 Jul 2005 17:14 GMT
I think that is what he was trying to say.  In the abstracts that I posted
earlier one indicated that only 4% of men go completely without pads after
getting the artificial sphincter.  So when I was questioning him I think he
understood that I was kind of skeptical about the pad issue, so he did not
want to give me an unrealistic expectation.  Of course, even pre-RRP I got
my underwear moist sometimes.  "No matter how you shake or dance the last
few drops go down your pants".  Thanks to Leonard for that one.

> Which regard to your comment that, "There is also leakage just as we
> have now with stooping, lifting heavy objects, sneezing or coughing
> hard, etc.", I read that the AMS 800 responds to such incidents by
> clamping down harder at the inception of such events. Perhaps it's
> function in this regard isn't perfect, and thus the representation by
> the provider-assistant.
Ron B - 28 Jul 2005 14:45 GMT
Another superb report David.

I'm glad that you find writing therapeutic cuz you can be SURE that the
information helps all of us.

Thanks again.

And Tdub...you're gonna do great with the AMS800.

I remember that you're really pleased with the doc and I hope you get a
great outcome.

We all wish you guys the best.

Ron B.

Chicago
Dave - 28 Jul 2005 16:39 GMT
I have an AMS 800 installed in 2002. So far, the only leakage I have
experienced is when I have a full bladder. When I then use my lower
sphincter to "clamp down" to prevent leakage, this causes the cuff to loose
fluid by forcing the fluid thru the pump to the bulb.
After four years I am well pleased with the AMS 800. Prior to the implant, I
went 18 months being totally incontinent.
David S. - 28 Jul 2005 17:16 GMT
Hi Dave:

   That's what we like to hear (not 18 mos. being incontinent).    I must
admit that I am leaning toward having the surgery.  The leaking is getting
old.

   Thank you.

David S.

> I have an AMS 800 installed in 2002. So far, the only leakage I have
> experienced is when I have a full bladder. When I then use my lower
> sphincter to "clamp down" to prevent leakage, this causes the cuff to loose
> fluid by forcing the fluid thru the pump to the bulb.
> After four years I am well pleased with the AMS 800. Prior to the implant, I
> went 18 months being totally incontinent.
Ron B - 28 Jul 2005 18:46 GMT
"No matter how you shake or dance the last few drops go down your
pants".

"Thanks to Leonard for that one."

Indeed...it's a classic and so is Leonard.

:-)

Thanks Len.

Ron B.

Chicago
GEOLOCO - 28 Jul 2005 18:52 GMT
Hi guys,

I had both the AUS and a penile implant done at the same time. This was
over 2 years ago. The results of both have been very good. True I still do
have a little leakage but nothing like prior. My incontinence was not
caused by my "original" RRP but 2 years later when I had a little
"tune-up" due to some difficulty urinating(strictures). Well the tune-up
proved to be a BIG MISTAKE as I went from no to TOTAL incontinence due to
the Sphincter being accidentally severed. But that is old news and in the
past. While it does take some getting used to all the new "plumbing" in
your scrotum and penis I am very happy with the results. I now enjoy a
terrific sex life and am not going thru 4-6 pads a day. Yes, there is life
after an RRp you just have to do what feels right to you. GOOD LUCK!!

geo
David S. - 29 Jul 2005 12:18 GMT
Thank you for the post Geo.  I think it is very important for men facing
these decisions to hear from people who have actually had the surgery and
have lived with the results for a long time.  It sure makes my decision
easier to make.

Thanks again.

David S.

> Hi guys,
>
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> geo

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