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c palmer - 28 May 2005 09:37 GMT

i felt it fitting on memorial day weekend to honor those who have fallen
to prostate cancer.

the list is by no means complete, but i was going through some of the
men who have died from prostate cancer and was surprised.

prostate cancer knows no boundaries, striking men of all walks of life
anywhere in the world.

here's a starter list - add to it as you find them...

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Giovanni Agnelli
Billionaire owner of the Italian automaker Fiat. Died on Jan. 24, 2003,
at 81.

Don Ameche
A 1940s screen icon and Oscar-winner for "Cocoon". Died on Dec. 8, 1993,
at 85.

Bill Bixby
Actor best known for playing Dr. David Banner in the 1970s "Incredible
Hulk" series.
Died on Nov. 21, 1993, at 59.

Hume Cronyn
Another 1940s icon who has a comeback with "Cocoon". Died on June 15,
2003, at 91.

Charles de Gaulle
Statesman who led French during World War II. Died on Nov. 9, 1970, at
79.

Sir Alec Guinness
British Actor best remembered as "Star Wars'" Obi Wan Kenobi. Died on
Aug. 7, 2000, at 86.

Bob Hayes
Won a gold medal in the 1964 Tokyo Olympics for a record-tying 100-meter
dash and went on to become a Dallas Cowboys receiver. Died in Sept. 19,
2002, at 59.

Hank Ketcham
Cartoonist who created "Dennis the Menace." Died on July 31, 2002, at
81.

Timothy Leary
Controversial 1960s psychedelic guru. Died on May 31, 1996, at 76.

Herbie Mann
Legendary jazz and fusion flutist. Died on July 1, 2003, at 73.

Linus Pauling
Scientist, anti-nuclear warfare activist, and two-time Nobel prize
winner. Died on Aug. 19, 1994, at 93.

Francois Mitterrand
Two-time French president. Died on January 8, 1996, at 80.

Jerry Orbach
Actor who played Det. Lennie Briscoe on TV's "Law & Order" Died on Dec.
28, 2004, at 69.

August Palmer
father, Businessman - who raised one hell raising son....
Died on Nov.26, 1999. at 92

Johnny Ramone
Lead guitarist for the punk rock group Ramones. Died on June 16,2004, at
55.

Bobby Riggs
Tennis player who ranked top in the world in the 1940s. Died on October
25, 1995, at 77.

Dick Sargent
Actor who played Darin on TV's "Bewitched". Died on July 8, 1994, at 59.

William Shockley
Physicist, Nobel prize winner, co-inventor of the transistor. Died on
Aug. 12, 1989, at 79.

Telly Savalas
TV's Kojak died on January 22, 1994, at 70.

Pierre Trudeau
Two-time Canadian prime minister. Died on Sept. 28, 2000, at 81.

Frank Zappa
Iconoclastic rocker. Died on Dec. 4, 1993, at 53.

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc

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Beverley - 28 May 2005 13:55 GMT

You need to add a few names; Berky and Robert. And then there is Prasath's
father.
Bev

> i felt it fitting on memorial day weekend to honor those who have fallen
> to prostate cancer.
[quoted text clipped - 92 lines]
> invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
> http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc

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Steve Kramer - 28 May 2005 20:51 GMT

No thanks.

I will, however, honor you. And Danny McCarty, David S, IP Freely,
kdsoderquist, and every other military veteran of whom I am unaware or have
forgotten and who are on this ng.

And Audy Murphy, the most decorated US soldier of all time. Eddie Albert, a
Bronze Star recipient who I believe got his medal at Tarawa and who died
yesterday at 99 years. And Lee Marvin who got the Navy Cross at Iwo Gima
and served under the bravest man he ever knew, Bob Keeshan (Capt. Kangaroo)
another Navy Cross winner. Or Charles Durning (Silver Star).

These are the 'personalities' to be honored this weekend. They include Alec
Guiness, Scotty on Star Trek (forget his name), Jimmy Stewart (Distinguished
Flying Cross), Charlton Heston, Ernest Borgnign, George C. Scott, and many
more than I can remember.

And my dad. Not because he died of PCa, but because he fought in Korea and
received three Purple Hearts and was nominated for the Silver Star.

You and I rarely disagree, Curtis, but dying of prostate cancer is not an
honorable deed no matter who you are. I certainly do not want to be honored
for dying from prostate cancer. Hopefully, I've done more honorable things
in my life.

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05
PSA .07 .05 .06 .05
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c palmer - 28 May 2005 22:48 GMT

From: skramer@cinci.rr.com (Steve Kramer)

No thanks.

I will, however, honor you. And Danny McCarty, David S, IP Freely,
kdsoderquist, and every other military veteran of whom I am unaware or
have forgotten and who are on this ng.
And Audy Murphy, the most decorated US soldier of all time. Eddie
Albert, a Bronze Star recipient who I believe got his medal at Tarawa
and who died yesterday at 99 years. And Lee Marvin who got the Navy
Cross at Iwo Gima and served under the bravest man he ever knew, Bob
Keeshan (Capt. Kangaroo) another Navy Cross winner. Or Charles Durning
(Silver Star).
These are the 'personalities' to be honored this weekend. They include
Alec Guiness, Scotty on Star Trek (forget his name), Jimmy Stewart
(Distinguished Flying Cross), Charlton Heston, Ernest Borgnign, George
C. Scott, and many more than I can remember.
And my dad. Not because he died of PCa, but because he fought in Korea
and received three Purple Hearts and was nominated for the Silver Star.
You and I rarely disagree, Curtis, but dying of prostate cancer is not
an honorable deed no matter who you are. I certainly do not want to be
honored for dying from prostate cancer. Hopefully, I've done more
honorable things in my life.
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hi steve - i understand and respect what you said, but my thinking is
that this weekend is memorial day, not veteran's day. granted, we do
pay our respects to the fallen, and while i don't put the person who
died from pca in the same class as one who gave his life for his
country, nevertheless, they should be remembered and that is all the
purpose of my post was.

this is a prostate cancer support group and i felt it fitting to pay
respect for those who have been struck down by prostate cancer.

the one thing i've learn in life is that as long as people remember you,
you are not truly dead. it is when they totally stop thinking about you
that you are wiped from surface of the earth. as least that's my
opinion. others might differ. just wanted to explain my logic in the
post.

as a footnote to this, might i add that i want to say that i respect
what you have done for this newsgroup, not only by being so active in
the responses, but by showing by example............. that you are
leading an active life after having prostate cancer and dealing with the
issues from the prostate cancer. this doesn't get said enough and i
just wanted to take this time to say thanks.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc

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Steve Kramer - 28 May 2005 23:57 GMT

From: skramer@cinci.rr.com (Steve Kramer)

as a footnote to this, might i add that i want to say that i respect
what you have done for this newsgroup, not only by being so active in
the responses, but by showing by example............. that you are
leading an active life after having prostate cancer and dealing with the
issues from the prostate cancer. this doesn't get said enough and i
just wanted to take this time to say thanks.

Oh, sure. Make me feel like crap! ;-)

Thanks for the footnote.

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c palmer - 29 May 2005 02:23 GMT

i forgot martin howard. he did teach me that you should follow in what
you believe in. although, in his case, i don't feel it had the best
outcome, but still, you have to admire him for what he believed and he
never got angry with some of our comments to him about his urine baths.

bev mentioned robert young and berky the warrior. these guys brought a
lot to the newsgroup both in the way of support and the fact that you
are far of being dead.

robert young started phoenix 5 after he found out that he had a psa of
4900 (i think-correct me if i'm wrong)

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc

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Steve Kramer - 29 May 2005 03:13 GMT

Robert was 1000. William243 was 4900.

But, yes, Robert and Berky certainly provided a lifetime of help in a few
short years.

Howard gave his life in his beliefs. As ridiculous as those beleifs were,
you have to admire the man.

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> i forgot martin howard. he did teach me that you should follow in what
> you believe in. although, in his case, i don't feel it had the best
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
> http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc

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Beverley - 29 May 2005 04:22 GMT

Robert started Phoenix5 after Berky suggested he do something with all the
info he had obtained.
Bev

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Heather - 29 May 2005 02:37 GMT

> as a footnote to this, might i add that i want to say that i respect
> what you have done for this newsgroup, not only by being so active in
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Thanks for the footnote.

And I would like to add my heartfelt thanks to both of you for just plain
being there when I *really* needed you!! You two kept me going through the
toughest situation I have ever faced in this lifetime. A big hug to both of
you!!

XX Heather (and Ron too, of course)

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Steve Kramer - 29 May 2005 03:14 GMT

> And I would like to add my heartfelt thanks to both of you for just plain
> being there when I *really* needed you!! You two kept me going through the
> toughest situation I have ever faced in this lifetime.

Getting help from the Canada healthcare system?

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Heather - 29 May 2005 03:23 GMT

> > And I would like to add my heartfelt thanks to both of you for just plain
> > being there when I *really* needed you!! You two kept me going through
> the
> > toughest situation I have ever faced in this lifetime.
>
> Getting help from the Canada healthcare system?

LOL!! Knew you would say something silly.....you twit!! And you didn't
even use the word that I detest.....goodonya, old sock!!

The bigger they are, the harder it is for them to receive a compliment
(VBG).....

Heather

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