> > The Governor signed some emergency bill to stop it instantly. This emergency
> > bill stays in effect for one year giving the lawmakers time to get rid of
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> Alan
>I agree! Most of the children who have vanished and been killed are mostly
> murdered by known pedophiles. But there is a very small number of these men
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> Bev (Wife of the guy who dated me at age 17 when he was 24 - I told you he
> robbed the cradle. LOL)
My wife is a social worker and counselor who has done a
lot of work with sex offenders and with victims of rape and sexual
abuse.
Among the sex offenders, a rough guide to their dangerousness
seems to be the age of their victims. The younger they like them,
the more dangerous they tend to be. The guys who go after
pre-pubescent children are the worst. There's generally no reforming
them. They need to be kept completely away from children, at all
times, for the rest of their lives.
It's a very difficult problem. I don't think there's more than a small
percentage of them who can be reformed. They may be sorry about
what they've done. They may hate themselves for doing it. But
they're under a dangerous compulsion that they can't be trusted
to control on their own.
Alan
Beverley - 28 May 2005 13:51 GMT
I've heard that before, that rapists cannot be reformed. So my question is
why to we let them out in the first place? Why can't we throw the key away
on pedophiles? What is the penalty in other countries? My understanding is
most of these guys have to be kept in solitary most of the time to prevent
other inmates from killing them. (As if we could solve the world's problems
in a newsgroup.)
LOL
Alan Meyer - 30 May 2005 01:12 GMT
> I've heard that before, that rapists cannot be reformed. So my question is
> why to we let them out in the first place? Why can't we throw the key away
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> in a newsgroup.)
> LOL
I wish I knew the answer. Stephen asks if chemical castration has worked.
My understanding is that it has, but I don't know that for sure.
To my mind, if you have a person who can't help himself, who
can't stop himself from hurting others, then our first responsibility
in dealing with him is to protect his potential victims.
That might mean keeping him in jail. It might mean some lesser form
of perpetual supervision (house arrest? wearing a radio bracelet?
living in a supervised community?) or maybe chemical castration.
Our second responsibility is to try to be just to the person. Some
pedophiles continue to commit crimes. Some have thought about it
but are fighting hard to restrain themselves. Keeping the first category
in jail for life seems just as well as protective of society. But for the
second category, it's not as just and it would be desirable if we could
find alternative forms of supervision and/or chemical prevention.
One thing we can't do is let these people go unsupervised.
There's a famous psychiatrist at Johns Hopkins who specialized
in treating pedophiles. He testified at our Maryland state legislative
hearings that psychiatrists should not be required to report pedophiles
to the authorities because then they might not come in for treatment.
It turned out that some of the people he was currently treating were
abusing children at the same time as they were seeing him and
telling him that he was curing them.
My wife testified in favor of mandatory reporting. She had treated
the victims as well as the abusers and had a whole different
perspective. Reporting is now mandatory in Maryland.
Alan
Stephen Jordan - 28 May 2005 20:34 GMT
On May 28, Alan Meyer wrote re: pedophiles, in pertinent part:
> It's a very difficult problem. I don't think there's more than a small
> percentage of them who can be reformed. They may be sorry about what
> they've done. They may hate themselves for doing it. But they're
> under a dangerous compulsion that they can't be trusted to control on
> their own.
IIRC, some years ago such, er, people, were often subjected to "chemical
castration," probably with one of the drugs with which we here are familiar.
Anyone recall whether the procedure succeeded?
Regards,
Steve J
PS: Also IIRC, the protocol required the consent of the offender.