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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / May 2005Seeds on Monday
I report to surgery Monday morning, 6:30 am for seed implants. I believe it was January when the biopsy was done. My PSA at the time was 4.57. Jimmie >I report to surgery Monday morning, 6:30 am for seed implants. I believe it was January >when the biopsy was done. My PSA at the time was 4.57. > Jimmie Good luck with it and good health. Alan Good luck, Jimmie. I've not heard of anyone having a lot of problems wtih seed implants. Your diagnosis was February 8, according to the post you left back then, just in case you wanna remember for all time, like I remember mine on Nov. 1, 2000.  SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05 PSA .07 .05 .06 .05 non Illegitimi carborundum > I report to surgery Monday morning, 6:30 am for seed implants. I believe it > was January when the biopsy was done. My PSA at the time was 4.57. > Jimmie > Good luck, Jimmie. I've not heard of anyone having a lot of problems wtih > seed implants. Your diagnosis was February 8, according to the post you > left back then, just in case you wanna remember for all time, like I > remember mine on Nov. 1, 2000. Thanks, Steve. I had forgotten when I received the diagnosis. We had a trip to Ireland planned and paid for in April and I put off the seeding until we returned. I supposed I was looking forward to the trip, etc. and lost track of when they did the biopsy. Jimmie I did the same thing. Had a cruise bought and paid for for our 25th. Took the cruise and got operated on three days after we came back... or was it two? SignaturePSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05 PSA .07 .05 .06 .05 non Illegitimi carborundum > > Good luck, Jimmie. I've not heard of anyone having a lot of problems wtih > > seed implants. Your diagnosis was February 8, according to the post you [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > lost track of when they did the biopsy. > Jimmie Good luck. It's a breeze just remain a couch potato afterwards for a few days so you don't lose any seeds. Hope you have someone to pamper you for a few days. Take a pair of old cotton socks and fill the toes with rice. Just a cup or a little more of rice in each sock. Twist a knot in the top of the socks and then stick them in the freezer. The rice socks will mold to your body and be very comfortable. When the one warms up exchange it for the other chilled one. Keeping the area "iced" keeps down swelling and bruising. Rice socks can also be tossed in the microwave and used warm - great for aching muscles, etc. Bev > I report to surgery Monday morning, 6:30 am for seed implants. I believe it > was January when the biopsy was done. My PSA at the time was 4.57. > Jimmie > ... > Take a pair of old cotton socks and fill the toes with rice. Just a cup or a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > muscles, etc. > Bev Bev forgot to mention this, but after you take your shoes and socks off, and before you put the rice and socks in the freezer, you'll want to wash the socks. An oh yes, toss the rice when you're done with it. Alan I finally am getting my seeding done the day after you, on Tuesday. I have been reading posts and gaining info since I first posted with this group. Hopefully I will be able to contribute my two cents worth later. Woody > I report to surgery Monday morning, 6:30 am for seed implants. I believe it > was January when the biopsy was done. My PSA at the time was 4.57. > Jimmie Good Luck....you should do just fine...my rad doc had very high praise for SI just the other day....Bev is a great resource... Keith Lundy/So. California 40 Proton Beam Radiation Treatments Loma Linda Univ.Med Ctr..3/03-5/03 Good luck to you, too! Bev > I finally am getting my seeding done the day after you, on Tuesday. I have > been reading posts and gaining info since I first posted with this group. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > was January when the biopsy was done. My PSA at the time was 4.57. > > Jimmie Jimmie and Woody, Good luck to you both. Steve U Good luck to you , Jimmie!! Let us know how it goes as soon as you able, won't you? I'll be thinking of you on Monday! Take care! MikeH >I report to surgery Monday morning, 6:30 am for seed implants. I believe >it was January when the biopsy was done. My PSA at the time was 4.57. > Jimmie > I report to surgery Monday morning, 6:30 am for seed implants. I believe it > was January when the biopsy was done. My PSA at the time was 4.57. > Jimmie Good luck to you! BEST OF LUCK >> I report to surgery Monday morning, 6:30 am for seed implants. I believe it >> was January when the biopsy was done. My PSA at the time was 4.57. >> Jimmie > >Good luck to you! Best wishes, Jimmy!!! >I report to surgery Monday morning, 6:30 am for seed implants. I believe >it was January when the biopsy was done. My PSA at the time was 4.57. > Jimmie Jimmie and Woody, Best of luck. If your experience is like most of us that had SI, you'l be home in a couple of hours with very little discomfort. I was in at 7:00 and home by 9:30, just take it easy for a few days. Tom > Best wishes, Jimmy!!! > > >I report to surgery Monday morning, 6:30 am for seed implants. I believe > >it was January when the biopsy was done. My PSA at the time was 4.57. > > Jimmie > Jimmie and Woody, > > Best of luck. If your experience is like most of us that had SI, you'l be > home in a couple of hours with very little discomfort. I was in at 7:00 and > home by 9:30, just take it easy for a few days. > Tom Oh, and take whatever meds they prescribed for you. I was surprised to discover that I had to take decadron the night before and almost forgot to do that. Also, if they gave you decadron, I hope you have lots of food in the house. I ate two steaks the following day and would have eaten three if I had them. The other effect was that I was working non-stop on various projects for a week. The decadron turns you on and energizes you. Stick to the rad diet too. If they didn't tell you about it, it's essentially meat and soft, well cooked, and non-gassy foods. Along with that goes the colace to keep you flowing. You wanna keep your colon small so that it doesn't push up against the prostate and get irradiated. I mention the diet because the staff at Inova was firm on it but my Uro let on that not all places make such a big deal on the diet. The nurse at Inova said that since they started the diet 10 years ago, they have not had a single incident of a colon problem. Good enough reason for me to eat 6 ounce filet mignons and pass on the salad bar. > The nurse at Inova said that since they started the diet 10 years > ago, they have not had a single incident of a colon problem. Good > enough reason for me to eat 6 ounce filet mignons and pass on the > salad bar. That's the last thing I'd eat. Not to sound argumentative, but there are alternative views :-) That filet mignon has enough cholesterol and, unless it is free range organic beef, maybe enough hormones to give any cancer cells that aren't irradiated protection against cell death and stimulate further growth at the same time. A friend of mine who is a physical therapist and is on Lupron and Zometa after surgery and radiation tells me about going to the hospital to see cardiac patients after surgery for PT discharge instructions and he watches as the person eats dinner in the hospital. There's a slice of beef, mashed potatos and gravy, butter, ice cream for dessert. He said to me, "What is wrong with that picture?" The connection between prostate cancer and diet is not conclusive. But it seems that enough evidence has been assembled to persuade nearly anyone that there is "some" connection. The differences in prostate cancer rates between Japanes or Indian men and men in the US is hard to explain apart from diet. And when those men come to the US and begin to eat American their prostate cancer rates climb. Fred Better raise your spam shields; the Atkins groupies will assault you for that. I.P. >> The nurse at Inova said that since they started the diet 10 years >> ago, they have not had a single incident of a colon problem. Good [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Fred I.P. :-) I was on the Atkins Diet myself two years ago and lost some weight and felt quite good. But, I have made other choices as I face living with prostate cancer. You and I may be somewhat similar in that we both seem to have a zest for information and well-researched and thoughful data. I have begun allowing some cholesterol and some animal products into my diet (low fat ricotta, mozarella and cream cheese and some fish), but even though I had a good surgical outcome and have an excellent prognosis and am not going to obsess on whatever cancer might be left in me, I will do what I can to keep any stray prostate cancer from nesting in my bones. Fred > Better raise your spam shields; the Atkins groupies will assault you for > that. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> >> Fred > I.P. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > am not going to obsess on whatever cancer might be left in me, I will do > what I can to keep any stray prostate cancer from nesting in my bones. I am keeping my eye on news, and doing additional reading, about osteoblasts and bone regeneration and all that as it relates to bone mets. Strum discusses the topic at length and recommends that we fortify our skeleton to reduce its susceptibility to cancer mets. It's one of the few approaches I've seen so far that offer some affordable, relatively harmless, OTC, expert-supported hope -- even if unproven -- for delaying the drop of one of my other shoes -- bone mets from either of my cancers. My urologists agree that it's unproven, probably harmless, and up to me, then observed that Strum concentrates on books rather than peer-reviewed research . . . FWTW. I.P. On May 10, I. P. Freely wrote, in pertinent part: > I am keeping my eye on news, and doing additional reading, about osteoblasts > and bone regeneration and all that as it relates to bone mets. Strum [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > that it's unproven, probably harmless, and up to me, then observed that > Strum concentrates on books rather than peer-reviewed research . . . FWTW. Maybe Dr. Strum prefers to treat patients rather than engage in research. IOW, he makes use of others' research to alleviate the suffering of his patients. And maybe the uros are just a tad displeased with him because he has little use for uros who fail to keep up with the PCa times. Which, according to him, is most of them. Regards, Steve J "'MD' does not mean 'Medical Deity.'" -- Stephen B. Strum, MD > On May 10, I. P. Freely wrote, in pertinent part: >> My urologists agree that it's unproven, probably harmless, and up to me, >> then observed that Strum concentrates on books rather than peer-reviewed >> research . . . FWTW. >> I.P. > Maybe Dr. Strum prefers to treat patients rather than engage in research. > IOW, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > him, > is most of them. Neither, in general, would surprise me, even though the uros/oncs I use do keep up with the "PC times". A third possibility is a researcher's disdain for a non-researcher. All my docs will say about unproven treatments is that . . . Ta Da . . . they're unproven. I don't know whether that's an academician's position in general, my guys' stance in particular, a VA or university peculiarity, or something else. I'm guessing it's just a researcher's institutional avoidance of making any statements or recommending any treatments he can't back up. I'll have to make my own call on the osteoblast idea, baesd on what I see in Strum's work and supporting literature. I.P. > I am keeping my eye on news, and doing additional reading, about > osteoblasts and bone regeneration and all that as it relates to bone mets. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > then observed that Strum concentrates on books rather than peer-reviewed > research . . . FWTW. I.P. : I have a close close friend who is a physical therapist with PCa. If I remember his story straight he had a RRP four years ago and no PSA but then PSA rising a year later followed by radiation (IMRT - which burned his rectum badly and he now has rectal bleeding and subsequent anemia), PSA continued up, has a hot spot above his tail bone on his spine (could be PCa, but might also be something else because a Bone Scan can't identify a hot spot as cancer - only that it's a hot spot at the time) now on Lupron and Zometa. He has done a lot of research like many of us and he and his Uro are strongly committed to the philosophy that anything he can do to enhance his bone density is good. The idea, as you know, is to refuse to give any PCa cells a nice nesting place. Try to block them out of the bones. Bones are porous, but you can enhance their density and create an environment that is less friendly for PCa. He gets his PSA now every 6 months rather than every 3 because it's just too stressful for him to do it every 3. Besides, he figures he is doing everything that he can possibly do and knowing if his PSA is up or down isn't going to change anything. He continues to work and enjoys his work. A good guy. Lots of courage. And like many, he has learned to live in the now, to enjoy the present moment, because life is a fragile gift. Fred > he has learned to live in the now, to enjoy the present > moment, because life is a fragile gift. That was one side of the equation that led me to reject early adjuvant ADT post-op. I'll revisit the equation when my PSA starts up again, or when clinical signs appear. If it ain't broke . . . I.P. |
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