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mrbill@misterpond.com - 21 Apr 2005 15:55 GMT
Posted on Thu, Apr. 21, 2005

Prostate cancer gene may be from mother

By Marilynn Marchione

The Associated Press

ANAHEIM, Calif. - Can men inherit risk for a male disease from their
moms?

New research raises that possibility. Scientists think they have found
a gene that predisposes men to prostate cancer in parts of a cell that
come exclusively from mothers, who obviously don't have prostates.

The finding gives scientists a different place to look for cancer
genes, and it could help biologists better understand what causes
prostate cancer, the most common type of tumor in America.

The work was reported this week at an American Association for Cancer
Research meeting in Anaheim, Calif.

More than 99 percent of our genes are contained in the cell nucleus,
but a very small number are in tiny structures called mitochondria,
little energy factories in cells. Mitochondria are inherited from
mothers.

Dr. John Petros and others at Emory University in Atlanta analyzed
tissue samples from about 260 prostate cancer patients and found
abnormalities in a mitochondrial gene called CO1. The gene helps
regulate whether harmful substances that can set the stage for cancer
are produced in a cell. Researchers then examined the gene in about 50
healthy men.

They found the gene was abnormal in 12 percent of those with prostate
cancer but in only one man without the disease.

"This is a significant difference," said Dr. William Sellers, a cancer
genetics expert at Dana-Farber Cancer Institute in Boston who had no
role in the study.

The Atlanta group also found a pattern of inheritance of mitochondrial
genes that seems to predispose men to prostate and kidney cancer. These
may someday provide a way to screen for these diseases, Petros said.

Dr. Cornelia Polyak, another Dana-Farber scientist, said the Atlanta
findings need to be verified by other studies.

But if true, "it would be very exciting" because it may help biologists
unravel what processes lead to prostate cancer and how to treat it, she
said.
Steve Kramer - 22 Apr 2005 11:48 GMT
This is very, very interesting.  If I remember my DNA lectures, mitochondria
are found in the egg and sperm.  However, all the mitochondria in the sperm
is in its tail.  The tail falls off as it enters the egg.  Ergo, none of the
father's mitochondria gets into the offspring.  If that is the case, then it
is impossible for the father to be a factor in whether or not one gets PCa.

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .05
non Illegitimi carborundum

> Posted on Thu, Apr. 21, 2005
>
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> unravel what processes lead to prostate cancer and how to treat it, she
> said.
Leonard Evens - 22 Apr 2005 14:28 GMT
> This is very, very interesting.  If I remember my DNA lectures, mitochondria
> are found in the egg and sperm.  However, all the mitochondria in the sperm
> is in its tail.  The tail falls off as it enters the egg.  Ergo, none of the
> father's mitochondria gets into the offspring.  If that is the case, then it
> is impossible for the father to be a factor in whether or not one gets PCa.

I think this was supposed to be only one factor predisposing men to
prostate cancer.  There are other factors which are transmitted through
the father.   It is definitely the case that you are more likely to have
prostate cancer if your father had it before age 65.
Steve Kramer - 23 Apr 2005 13:12 GMT
> > This is very, very interesting.  If I remember my DNA lectures, mitochondria
> > are found in the egg and sperm.  However, all the mitochondria in the sperm
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> the father.   It is definitely the case that you are more likely to have
> prostate cancer if your father had it before age 65.

I agree with you.  That is always what I have been told.  From the first
time that I had a PSA test (my father died for PCa).  Most recently, maybe 2
years ago, I was told by a scientist looking at such things that they
determined that heredity is a factor in 10% of the cases where the father
caught the cancer before the age of 50, and not a factor later.

But, now this.  It is far too early, based on the article, but we may have
to shift our paradigm.

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .05
non Illegitimi carborundum

Rob Constable - 23 Apr 2005 16:32 GMT
> Posted on Thu, Apr. 21, 2005
>
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
> unravel what processes lead to prostate cancer and how to treat it, she
> said.

That is certainly fascinating, but in my case I have pretty good idea
where I inherited my predisposition as my dad died of PCa around the
age of 65, his brother was diagnosed in his late 50s (doing fine after
RRP). That all resulted in my brother getting diagnosed at 40 and me at
46.

As far as I know none of the male relatives on my mother's side ever
had (or at least were diagnosed with) PCa. Of course I haven't checked
to see if any of the female relatives on my mother's side had PCa -:)

Although one thing might be pertinent to me is that I only have one
daughter, so in theory the male predisposition was ending with me. I
wonder if my genetics can influence my daughter's mitochondria?
Steve Kramer - 23 Apr 2005 21:46 GMT
> That is certainly fascinating, but in my case I have pretty good idea
> where I inherited my predisposition as my dad died of PCa around the
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> daughter, so in theory the male predisposition was ending with me. I
> wonder if my genetics can influence my daughter's mitochondria?

There is another possibility.  There may be two types of prostate cancer, on
in mitochondria and one in chromosomes.

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .05
non Illegitimi carborundum

Steve Kramer - 23 Apr 2005 23:17 GMT
> There is another possibility.  There may be two types of prostate cancer, on
> in mitochondria and one in chromosomes.

Unfortunately, I found the folllowing article.  This should muddy the waters
a little.

HEREDITARY PROSTATE CANCER
Bill Isaac::

"Everybody has these genes. "The crucial difference is that not everybody
has them in the same order and "some particular sequences of these genes
greatly increase the risk of developing cancer."

Imagine that your great ambition is to work a magnificent, three-dimensional
jigsaw puzzle. But before you can start to make sense of the puzzle, or even
put together a little segment of it, there's something you have to do first:
Turn all the pieces right-side up.

"If there are four brothers, all with prostate cancer, and they've all
inherited the same region of chromosome 1 from their father who has it,
too-then that is no longer what you would predict by chance"

Welcome to the world of William Isaacs, Ph.D., who has spent much of the
last decade testing his self-discipline with the greatest puzzle of all, the
human genome. He is searching for the genes involved in hereditary prostate
cancer (see "What is HPC?" ); his initial tests took him through the body's
23 pairs of chromosomes at the astonishing rate of about 10 million base
pairs (genetic building blocks) at a time, and gleaned a handful of
promising sites that deserved further study.

After those giant strides, however, the next part has had Isaacs creeping at
what seems a snail's pace--if his previous tests were the equivalent of
flying over an area, now he's conducting a house-to-house search, examining
hundreds of genes, one at a time. He is working mostly in the dark: He
doesn't know how many genes he's looking for, and -- although he and
colleagues have narrowed it down considerably -- he still isn't sure exactly
where to find them. Worse, nobody has ever looked at these genes before. So
before he can even determine whether or not a gene looks promising, he must
first figure out what it is. Think of an explorer sailing in uncharted
waters, facing a string of islands, investigating each one and producing a
topographical map. "Each one of these genes," he explains, "could be a Ph.D.
disertation in itself, just to identify and characterize the gene, get the
structure and sequence it," not to mention comparing all of this new
information in the DNA of hundreds of men with HPC and their families.

And yet, slowly but surely, this hard work is paying off: So far, Isaacs and
colleagues at Hopkins and the National Human Genome Research Institute have
found good evidence that at least two of these defective genes do indeed
exist: One is somewhere on Chromosome 1, and the other, most recently
discovered, ties on the X chromosome -- a milestone in cancer research, this
is the first time the X chromosome (which sons inherit from their mothers)
has been definitively linked to a major cancer. Isaacs would love to start
figuring out the role those aberrant genes play in the cascade of events
leading to prostate cancer. Instead, he is steeling himself to keep turning
over those pieces -- in this case, the pieces are thousands of undiscovered
genes--until he can see the puzzle in its entirety. Although they haven't
yet pinpointed the faulty genes on either chromosome, Isaacs and colleagues
have identified certain characteristics that suggest which mutation a family
may have: In families with a mutated HPC1 gene:

At least five men in the immediate family, or multiple men in multiple
generations, have prostate cancer.
The average age of diagnosis is younger than 65.
There is evidence of father-to-son transmission.
In families linked to a mutated HPCX gene, the defect is always passed on
from the mother: In this case, a father cannot pass the disease to his son.
(X and Y are the "sex" chromosomes, and they distinct pattern of
inheritance. Fathers always pass along the Y chromosome to their sons. A man
inherits the X chromosome from his mother--so every man has one X and one Y
chromosome. Women have two X chromosomes.)

"We now know of at least two different methods of transmission of prostate
cancer," says Isaacs, "from father to son, and mother to son. Say a man has
prostate cancer, so does his brother, and so does his father. Then right
away we can say that we don't think this is an X-linked family, because
there's no way for a father to pass on a mutated gene on the X chromosome."
However, the father can pass it on to his daughters, who then can transmit
it it to their sons-the father's grandsons. In such families, prostate
cancer might seem to skip a generation. "My sons cannot inherit a mutated X
gene from me, but they could from their mother," continues Isaacs. "A
classic example of an X-linked prostate cancer would be: My mother's
brothers have prostate cancer. My mother can't be affected but she passes
the gene on to me and my brothers. We can't pass it on to our sons, but my
sister inherited the gene; and she passes it on to her sons. The only
offspring of my generation that could have it would be my nephews."

On the other hand, HPC1 can be transmitted from either the mother or father.
"There's definitely overlap," says Isaacs. "When prostate cancer is passed
on through the mother, it's got more possibilities: It could be either HPC1
or HPCX. But if it's passed through the father, that gives us a tip-off that
it's not going to be an X-linked family." The fact that men have only one X
chromosome makes looking for that gene somewhat easier. "But everybody has
two copies of chromosome 1 -- one inherited from the mother and one from the
father -- so they've one good copy and one bad copy, and sometimes it's very
difficult to know which one we're looking at."

Sad legacy: This research began with one man's sad family history, and owes
its success to dozens more families ravaged by prostate cancer. In the
1980s, Urologist-in-chief Patrick C. Walsh, M.D., noticed a disturbing trend
in his patients seeking surgical treatment for prostate cancer: They seemed
to be getting younger. They also tended to have a family history of the
disease. In 1986, the case of one 49-year-old man whose family had been
decimated by prostate cancer crystallized the idea in Walsh's mind that some
families must carry an increased risk of developing the disease, Every male
member of this man's family -- his father, his father's three brothers, and
his grandfather -- had died of prostate cancer. So many deaths in one family
had to be more than just awful coincidence, Walsh believed. That observation
led to a series of studies by Hopkins researchers that defined and
characterized HPC, demonstrating the clear link between family history and a
man's risk of developing prostate cancer. Several years ago, Walsh and
behavioral scientist Sally Isaacs screened a pool of 2,500 families that met
the criteria for HPC and selected the 79 that had been hardest hit. The
families filled out detailed questionnaires about their health, occupations
and family history, and sent blood samples to Hopkins.

Then, Bill Isaac and his colleagues at the National Human Genome Research
Institute began scrutinizing those blood samples, using a technique called
"linkage analysis", looking for patterns of inheritance of certain portions
of chromosomes that couldn't possibly be normal. They struck paydirt first
with Chromosome 1. "We can follow each copy of Chromosome 1 as it's passed
along, say from father to son, and we can see whether the distribution --
instead of being random -- becomes skewed, so that each affected sibling
gets the same copy of Chromosome 1," says Isaacs. "So if you look in a
family and there are four brothers, all with prostate cancer, and they've
all inherited the same region of chromosome 1 from their father -- who has
it, too -- then that is no longer what you would predict by chance."

This year, about 180,000 cases of prostate cancer will be diagnosed in the
U.S. But about 18,000 of those are in men born with a head start -- one or
more bad genes, such as HPC1 and HPCX, that greatly increase their odds of
developing cancer, and developing it at an earlier age.

And if the same thing happens in many families, this pattern becomes
statistically significant. The problem is that, although finding this region
marks great progress in the search for the defective genes in prostate
cancer, this region of Chromosome 1 is still huge. It's like trying to
pinpoint a specific restaurant in Hong Kong, and your first step --
identifying the continent of Asia -- although helpful, still leaves much
work to be done.

"The"gene: When Isaacs and other scientists speak of finding "the gene,"
they don't mean some weird-looking mutant that instantly calls attention to
itself as a cause of cancer: "Everybody has these genes. For example, I have
a BRCA- 1 gene, a BRCA-2 gene (involved in breast cancer). But everybody
doesn't have the same sequence of those genes. We're looking for genes whose
sequence varies in the population, and some particular sequences of these
genes greatly increase the risk of developing cancer." The sequences
fluctuate, like ingredients in a recipe -- just as bread and salt dough have
the same ingredients; depending on the recipe, one is edible, and one is
not.

An advantage of Isaacs' linkage approach is that it's completely
objective -- a matter of statistics. "Right now, we've put our blinders on,"
he says. "We don't want to rule out a gene because we think we know what it
does; there's no question you could miss genes on that basis. We don't
assume anything about the function of that gene, or how it may work. The
only thing that determines whether or not it's "the gene" is its sequence
variation. We have no idea what the function is of most of the genes we're
looking at. Someday we will, but right now we don't really care about these
novel genes. If they're not the gene we're looking for, we're not going to
take the time to figure out what they do. If we can demonstrate that we've
found 'the gene,' then we'll get busy and try to figure out everything we
can about it. That's the reason we started all this."

But Isaacs does allow himself to speculate about what "the genes" might do:
He suspects they will turn out to be some sort of regulatory genes, in
charge of specific steps -- such as repairing damaged DNA. "In colon cancer,
if you inherit a defect in your ability to repair single-base mismatches
that occur either spontaneously, or due to carcinogens, then your DNA
accumulates a lot of mutations, and that greatly accelerates the process of
getting cancer. The same thing is becoming apparent in breast cancer, with
BRCA- 1 and BRCA-2." Isaacs believes that, eventually, maybe as many as a
half-dozen different genes will turn out to play a role in HPC.

Fortunately, scientists from around the world are pooling their information
on prostate cancer genetics, says Isaacs, who welcomes the help. This
teamwork has resulted in an International Consortium for Prostate Cancer
Genetics; Isaacs is the acting chairman. "We have over 800 families who have
been collected by this group. By having more families, we can narrow down
the region that we have to search through to find the specific genes."
Isaacs also credits, from Hopkins, Sally Isaacs, Kathy Wiley, and Patrick C.
Walsh, M.D from the University of Maryland, Jianfeng-Xu, M.D., Ph.D.; from
the National Human Genome Research Institute, Jeffrey Trent, Ph.D., team
leader; from the Mayo Clinic, Steve Thibodeau, Ph.D.; from Umea University
in Sweden, Henrik Cronberg, M.D.; from Tampere University in Finland, Olli
Kalioniemi, Ph.D.

FURTHER READING:
"Evidence for a Prostate Cancer Susceptibility Locus on the X Chromosome."
Xu, J; Heyers, D; Freije, D; Isaacs, S; et al. Nature Genetics, Vol. 20:
175-179, 1998.

What is HPC?
That Bill Isaacs and colleagues now have two promising leads in their search
for the genes involved in hereditary prostate cancer (HPC is remarkable --
not just because of the magnitude of their task, but because it refutes what
many scientists argued for years: That prostate cancer, so common in older
men, is simply a disease that comes with old age.

Prostate cancer is very common; this year, about 180,000 cases will be
diagnosed in the U.S. But about 18,000 of those are in men born with a head
start -- one or more bad genes, such as HPC1 and HPCX, that greatly increase
their odds of developing cancer, and developing it at an earlier age. Only
about 10 percent of all cases of prostate cancer are thought to be purely
hereditary But Isaacs and colleagues believe that the defective gene or
mechanisms involved in hereditary cancer are the same ones that somehow go
wrong in the far more common "Sporadic" cancer, which just develops over the
course of a lifetime. In most men, scientists believe, cancer happens
because of an unfortunate chain of events -- at least one genetic
aberration, plus one or more things environmental, such as a poor diet. Say
it takes three "strikes" in order for cancer to begin: Being born with a
faulty gene might be worth one or two strikes; add a lifetime of eating the
wrong foods (or no eating the right ones), and bingo--strike three.

An estimated 250,000 American men may carry one of these defective genes.
HPC can be inherited from either parent: Briefly, if your father or brother
has prostate cancer, your risk is two times greater than the average
American man's , which is about 13 percent. It goes up from there: Depending
on the number of affected relatives you have and the age at which they
develop the disease, your risk could be as high as 50 percent if you are in
a family that meets the criteria for HPC -- if you have at least three close
relatives, such as a father and two brothers affected, or two relatives if
both were younger than 55 years old when the disease was diagnosed; or if
your family has disease in three generations -- a grandfather, father or
brother. In HPC families, men should have a digital rectal examination and
PSA test every year, beginning at age 40.

If three or more members of your family have bad prostate cancer you may
want to register your name with the Johns Hopkins Hereditary Prostate Cancer
Study. We will provide you with regular updates about our research progress.
To receive this free information, or to find out more about this work, write
to the Johns Hopkins Hereditary Prostate Cancer Study at The Brady
Urological Institute, the Johns Hopkins Hospital Baltimore, Md., 21287-2101.
Paul Moore - 24 Apr 2005 14:11 GMT
I blame my mom for an entirely different reason:  While growing up and
through my young adult years I watched both my dad and my mom to surmise
what "might" eventually happen to me.  My dad was a sedentary type of
person – a little porky – with chronic pulmonary problems from his teens
on – which eventually took him at age 78 – but, no heart problems of any
kind.  My mom was on the opposite side of the spectrum in that with her
physical activities she was like a “fly in a shade”, and no health
issues of any kind other than a bout with colon cancer at age 65 (I have
checked myself very close for this over the years) – and, she is still
alive at 84 and still acting like that “fly in a shade.”  And, her older
sister is also alive and scolding me at age 97 (she, of course, is
fighting a few health issues and beast cancer that they “got” in her
80’s.)  And, they both have eaten like pigs their entire lives not
caring one bit about fat, sugar, or vitamins.

In that I have always been active like my mom with no health issues and
definitely no pulmonary problems of any kind – I figured I must have had
my mom’s health genes and, too, didn’t ever care much about what I ate.
 Why should I???  My mom and aunt (their uncles all died in their 90’s)
didn’t have any heart problems – so, at 63 why should I?  BUT, NOBODY
TOLD ME ABOUT FAT FEEDING CANCER CELLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Last November I was
diagnosed with PC – stats below.

No – I didn’t throw “momma from the train” (lol) – but, I am a “tad”
upset at our government that was wise enough to get me to stop smoking
20 years ago with TV ads - back off drinking and driving so much with TV
ads – keep me and my family alive with seat belt and helmet laws.  So,
why don’t they tell everybody about the dangers of FAT!!!  Why do they
even allow snack food in high schools??  They should outlaw hydrogenated
anything.  One in six of the males in the US will get PC – and, one in
32 of them will die of it (according to some of the articles y’all
posted here.)  They should be screaming this message on the TV all the
time..

I’m gonna let me mom off the hook on this one…  However, I’ll stay upset
at the politicians…

Paul

  Age: 63
10/04: PSA = 10.4, T1C, Gleason 7 (“in a few samples”)
11/04: RP “looks like we got it” - sparing one and a half bundles of nerves
02/05: PSA = less than 0.1
05/20: Good bladder control - no erections (yet) – soreness “inside”
belly finally subsided for the most part – but, still sore to the touch
along the incision
Steve Kramer - 24 Apr 2005 17:16 GMT
I heard about the dangers of a sedentary lifestyle and fat long before I
heard about cancer.  I was even awarded a presidential fitness award by
President Kennedy, as were almost all children in school in the 60s.

My parents smoked like chimneys and drank beer like Germans and stronger
drinks socially.  I drink, and occasionally drank to excess.  I stopped
smoking on a bet 30 years ago.  And I'm fat.  And, I have PCa.  But none of
them are my parents' fault or the government's or television's.

Besides, there is no proven connection between PCa and fat, yet.

Signature

PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .05
non Illegitimi carborundum

> I blame my mom for an entirely different reason:  While growing up and
> through my young adult years I watched both my dad and my mom to surmise
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
> belly finally subsided for the most part – but, still sore to the touch
> along the incision
Paul Moore - 24 Apr 2005 18:24 GMT
I’m sorry, Steve, I was blaming my mom with tongue-in-cheek.  Unlike
most of you folks, I have a tough time remembering “where” I read stuff,
but I guess it just might be my deduction from a few articles and
studies (mostly posted in here) that fat is at least related to men with
PC.  (A healthy eating cancer book I perused suggests that it probably
doesn’t “cause” it, but does “feed” it.)  A couple of those articles
being the one just above this thread on “Cholesterol drugs may reduce
prostrate cancer” posted by Mr. Palmer.  And, another being those
statistics (I read in one of those PC books you folks recommended, or I
found in the library on my own)that explained that all male animals that
have just a prostrate are carnivorous - and, don't have PC. However, all
male animals that have both a prostate and a vesicle are vegetarians
(or, that other technical name for it)except man.  And, man is the only
animal with PC.  Followed up by the fact that Asian men have a far less
probability of PC than us Westerners – until they migrate to the US –
and, start eating at McDonalds…

You folks might want to wait for more formal statistics – but, I’m
telling my kids and grandkids to STOP EATING SO MUCH FAT.  (Along with
“buckle up”, “wear a helmet”, “put a coat on”, “sit up straight at the
table”, "save your money" and, oh yea – “FLOSS!”  (lol)

Paul

  Age: 63
10/04: PSA = 10.4, T1C, Gleason 7 (“in a few samples”)
11/04: RP “looks like we got it” - sparing one and a half bundles of nerves
02/05: PSA = less than 0.1
05/20: Good bladder control - no erections (yet) – soreness “inside”
belly finally subsided for the most part – but, still sore to the touch
along the incision
Steve Kramer - 24 Apr 2005 22:15 GMT
Then it is I who am sorry.  I usually recognize tongue and cheek.

I agree re my children and to whatever extent I may influence my
grandchildren.  Statistically or not, there is no doubt about seat belts and
helmets.  One oly has to listen closely to the news reports to figure those
percentages.

Signature

PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .05
non Illegitimi carborundum

> I’m sorry, Steve, I was blaming my mom with tongue-in-cheek.  Unlike
> most of you folks, I have a tough time remembering “where” I read stuff,
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> belly finally subsided for the most part – but, still sore to the touch
> along the incision
Paul Moore - 24 Apr 2005 23:59 GMT
Flossing is a pretty good idea, ya know....  (lol)

Paul
I. P. Freely - 24 Apr 2005 20:54 GMT
The gum'mint has, for years, wanted to tell us to cut WAY back on sat fat,
junk food, etc., but the guidelines they felt were valid -- VERY little sat
fat, NO trans (hydrogenated) fats, "bushels" of produce, almost NO junk
food, etc. -- were so Spartan they knew only fanatics would follow them,
that the vast majority would just laugh at them. (Heck, look how many people
still believe in and try to adhere to the OPPOSITE diet -- Atkins -- or at
least aren't aware that the Atkins conglomerate quietly modified their
recommendations recently to lower the sat fats and raise the vegetables.) So
the gum'mint made a deal with the devil -- aka Reality -- and told us it was
OK to get a third of our calories from fat -- including way too much sat
fat -- and eat LESS junk food. These beat the far larger proportions most
people get from fat and junk food, so it was a step in the right direction.

OTOH, I learned of the dangers of sat fat at least a quarter-century ago,
when I cut my sat fat intake by probably 95%. The information was available
to laymen, as I surely wasn't reading clinical trials then. I hang with
young athletes half of the year, and am constantly stunned at the CRAP they
eat. No damned WONDER they ask me how I stay so fit (at least during my
sports season) and can outlast them at LEAST 2:1 in sports.

Notice that two CA school districts -- covering 2,000-3,000 (I forget which)
schools -- recently banned the sale of soft drinks on school grounds. I know
that if I had kids in school I'd be raising holy hell over junk food being
sold on school grounds. I guess I didn't appreciate at the time the
importance of the school lunches I grew up on: meat, two vegetables, fruit,
bread, milk, dessert -- NEVER one piece of the total crap most schools seem
to serve these days. Hell, when I asked a Red Lobster restaurant for veggies
last year, all they had was a potato.

But even though bad genes can nail even world-class vegetarian athletes,
junk food can nail people with great genes, and some people with perfect
genes can live for 90 years on mainlined deep-fried Twinkies, the vast
majority of people can very significantly extend their lives by many more
years and their vigor for M*A*N*Y years if they eat right and get more
exercise.

I.P.

>I blame my mom for an entirely different reason:  While growing up and
>through my young adult years I watched both my dad and my mom to surmise
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> finally subsided for the most part – but, still sore to the touch along
> the incision
 
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