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Radiation Therapy for Prostate Cancer Nearly Doubles Risk for    Rectal

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c palmer - 20 Apr 2005 05:14 GMT
Radiation Therapy for Prostate Cancer Nearly Doubles Risk for Rectal
Cancer

MINNEAPOLIS, MN -- April 1, 2005 -- A University of Minnesota Cancer
Center study indicates that men who undergo radiation therapy for
prostate cancer have nearly double the risk of developing rectal cancer
when compared to men who opt to have surgery to treat prostate cancer.

The study found that men who receive radiation for prostate cancer have
about 70 percent higher risk of developing rectal cancer than those who
underwent surgery, a risk similar to that posed by having a family
history of the disease. This is the first study to quantify rectal
cancer risk associated with prostate radiation. The entire study will be
published April 1, 2005 in the American Gastroenterological Association
(AGA) journal Gastroenterology.

Nancy Baxter, M.D., Ph.D., colon and rectal surgeon and researcher at
the University of Minnesota's Medical School and Cancer Center, led the
research team that conducted the study.
"While the findings of our study do not suggest that prostate cancer
treatment should change, we recommend that the potential for developing
rectal cancer be included in conversations between doctors and patients
when considering the individualized course of treatment and surveillance
for patients with prostate cancer," said Baxter.
"Additionally, we recommend that men who have had prostate radiation
should be monitored for rectal cancer starting five years after
treatment." She further advises that men undergoing radiation therapy
for prostate cancer ask their doctor about the approved screening
methods, regardless of their age.

Researchers used data from the National Cancer Institute's Surveillance,
Epidemiology and End Results (SEER) Registry to evaluate the effect of
radiation on development of cancer in the rectum. More than 85,000 men,
age 18 to 80, were included in this retrospective, population-based
study. These men were diagnosed with prostate cancer from Jan. 1, 1973
to Dec. 31, 1994. A total of 30,552 men received radiation, of which
1,437 developed rectal cancer.
Prostate cancer is the most commonly diagnosed cancer in the United
States - this year more than 230,000 men will be told they have prostate
cancer; about 4,300 of them will be Minnesotans.
Radiation therapy for prostate cancer has been associated with an
increased rate of pelvic malignancies, particularly bladder cancer.
Findings of this study suggest that direct radiation to the rectum
increases the risk of developing rectal cancer, but does not affect the
risk of cancer in other parts of the colon.

Since the study results are based on men who were treated for prostate
cancer before 1995, the risk of developing cancer may be reduced by the
evolution of radiation delivery techniques. However, researchers say
that even with today's technology, some portions of the rectum still
receive a high dose of radiation. Therefore, the risk of rectal cancer
may still exist and thus, until proven otherwise, men treated with
radiation for prostate cancer need monitoring for rectal cancer
beginning five years after treatment.

This research study was funded by a University of Minnesota Academic
Health Center Seed Grant. In addition to Baxter, the research team
included Joel Tepper, Department of Radiation Oncology and
UNC/Lineberger Comprehensive Cancer Center at the University of North
Carolina School of Medicine in Chapel Hill; and David Rothenberger, Beth
Virnig and Sara Durham, all with the University of Minnesota.

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
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keith340@webtv.net - 20 Apr 2005 12:09 GMT
old news curtis...this was discussed here a few weeks ago when the story
first broke.....

Keith Lundy/So. California
40 Proton Beam Radiation Treatments
Loma Linda  Univ.Med Ctr..3/03-5/03
c palmer - 20 Apr 2005 17:17 GMT
hi keith - i was thinking it might have been, but i wanted to be safe
than sorry.

guess i'm just getting a little more forgetful lately.  ahhhh......what
were we talking about???

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
keith340@webtv.net - 20 Apr 2005 19:42 GMT
curtis.....you are the best at keeping the ng updated................

Keith Lundy/So. California
40 Proton Beam Radiation Treatments
Loma Linda  Univ.Med Ctr..3/03-5/03
Doug Taylor - 20 Apr 2005 22:14 GMT
>hi keith - i was thinking it might have been, but i wanted to be safe
>than sorry.

And to remind those of us who forgot about it to start being paranoid
again, eh?    :-)
--dt
www.douglaswtaylor.com
Steve Kramer - 21 Apr 2005 00:21 GMT
I can't remember; I'm on Lupron.

But, while we're at it, how about an update on Mrs. Palmer.  Haven't heard
much lately, which I used to consider good news, but hasn't always been the
case.

BTW, is this what they call hijacking a thread?  Feels great!

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> hi keith - i was thinking it might have been, but i wanted to be safe
> than sorry.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
> http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
c palmer - 21 Apr 2005 02:50 GMT
damn steve - you're suppose to say you're having a senior
moment.....he.he.

betty is sorta stuck in the middle of all this.  not doing good, not
doing bad.

the good news is her hemoglobin was down to 8 at least twice last year
and after this last iron infusion and the taking of concentration iron
pills, she's up to 13.4 as of last week.  normal is 12 to 14, so
whatever that was causing the bleeding seems to have stopped, but they
never found a thing.

the bad news is that she is clearly showing signs that she's having more
heart stress problems again.  she's been saying that she needs another
angioplasty for the past month.  she's scheduled for the heart stress
test this friday, so, i may be able to add more to what i'm saying.

so, there you have it sport fans.  all in all, she's in pretty good
spirits.

by the way, steve, you're fairly safe on hijacking the tread because the
FAA can't find as much as they could before the big 911.  

:)

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
c palmer - 26 Apr 2005 17:04 GMT
had betty's doctor appt this morning.  after he looked at the chart, he
scheduled her to go into the hospital this friday.  they are going to do
a heart catherization, then they are going to do a brachytherapy on the
stent or put another stent in or possibly do both.  they won't know
until they get in there.  

betty didn't pick up on it but he mumbled under his breath that there
isn't much choices.  

he was talking about doing another open heart surgery on her again, but
said he wanted to try this first.

she's nervous about it.  not talking much about it.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
Alan Meyer - 26 Apr 2005 18:55 GMT
Best of luck Curtis.  We're all rooting for her.

   Alan
Tom Cular - 26 Apr 2005 19:21 GMT
Our prayers are with you both.
Tom
> had betty's doctor appt this morning.  after he looked at the chart, he
> scheduled her to go into the hospital this friday.  they are going to do
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
> http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
keith340@webtv.net - 26 Apr 2005 21:01 GMT
curtis....very interesting procedure...do you have any research
info?????....good luck to you both...

Keith Lundy/So. California
40 Proton Beam Radiation Treatments
Loma Linda  Univ.Med Ctr..3/03-5/03
Tom Cular - 26 Apr 2005 21:55 GMT
Keith,

The following link may help in understanding brachytherapy for coronary
issues. http://my.webmd.com/content/pages/9/1675_57804.htm

We, as prostate cancer patients have a tendency to narrow our view.
Brachytherapy is also utilized in some breast cancer cases as well.

Do a Google search for more(tons) of info.

Hope this helps

Tom
> curtis....very interesting procedure...do you have any research
> info?????....good luck to you both...
>
> Keith Lundy/So. California
> 40 Proton Beam Radiation Treatments
> Loma Linda  Univ.Med Ctr..3/03-5/03
c palmer - 26 Apr 2005 22:28 GMT
hi keith - not really much to research on this one.  she has five major
blockages in her heart and a double blockage on one of the main arteries
feeding the heart.  they had put two stents in, butting them together
back in 2001.  then in 2002, the stents drifted apart and they had to
"bridge" the two stents with a smaller stent between the two.   in 2004,
the smaller stent had "body cells" in it that was causing the decrease
in blood flow.  she was told that they would have to probably do it
again in 6 months and mention that they could radiate the area to keep
body cells from sticking there.  

today, the heart surgeon listened to her concerns and started talking
about open heart surgery again, but she doesn't have any donor veins.
the veins that were they used the last were shot and in "terrible"
shape.  that was the word the surgeon said.  the diabetes had cause the
donor arteries to shrivel and harden, but it was the only thing he would
use.  

for what it's worth department, one might find this interesting.  you
can only use the patient's own veins for the bypass operation.  you can
use someone else's heart and other organs, but not veins.  the surgeon
did mention that it is possible - as an emergency - to use the veins
from another person, but they only hold up at the most - for a year and
then they are shot.  the patient's own veins last longer, but
deteriorate because they are not designed for high pressure application,
and the open heart has to be done again with more donor veins.

so, this is the background information going into friday morning and who
knows what is going to happen from there.  

if i may be allowed to pass on some life saving information to everyone.
i found this to be very interesting because most females do not know the
symptoms of a female heart attack.  most think it is the same as what
they have been told, which is the male heart attack.  chest pain,
shortness of breath, pain down arm, jaw and neck pain, etc.

most women's symptoms start as an upset stomach.  betty has eaten
antacids since the birth of our first child some 36 years ago, so having
an upset stomach was nothing new.  add to this, she has reflux disorder,
so she gets that burning sensation in her chest.  

for a week before the heart attack, she would get an upset stomach about
30 minutes to an hour after she ate.  we thought it was a gall bladder
attack because it was food related.  over the period of the week, the
symptoms kept getting worse till finally on the last day, she was scared
to eat and finally late that night, ate some chicken noodle soup.
within 30 minutes, same thing only the symptoms were more pronounced.  i
told her that before was her choice, this time i'm saying that she is
going to the hospital.  after 5 hours of testing, they finally found a
glitch that showed up on an EKG when they sprayed her with three hits of
nitro.  as a preventive, the ER doctor thought that a heart attack was
close by and wrote the order to fill her with clot buster.  clot buster
is not like anything else i've ever seen.  it isn't like blood thinners.
the ER doctor made that very clear.  he said that the blood will not
clot because that is what causes the heart to fail is when the body
makes the clot and then it seals over the artery in the heart and it's a
fatal heart attack.  well, about one hour later, the heart attack hit,
but the heart got blood and has some damage, but she lived.  the markers
in the blood is how we knew that she had the heart attack.

now, the reason i've taken all this time to explain the sequence of
events is this.  when i described the symptoms of what she was going
through, they all said that it is the common symptoms for a female heart
attack.   i ask them to explain about the pain and discomfort in the
chest from eating.  they said that eating stresses the heart because the
body has to pull the blood from the limbs of the body to process the
food, and that is when the symptoms will show up in a female that she
has heart troubles.

hope this information helps.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
Tom Cular - 27 Apr 2005 01:56 GMT
Curtis,
The symptoms you've described are alarmingly similar to those that my wife
has exhibited lately. I'll alert her and our GP to the possibilities. With
me being 10 yrs. older, we were always more concerned with the "OLD GUY"
Tom
> hi keith - not really much to research on this one.  she has five major
> blockages in her heart and a double blockage on one of the main arteries
[quoted text clipped - 72 lines]
> invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
> http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
c palmer - 27 Apr 2005 07:18 GMT
thanks steve - the operation seemed to have worked the last time.  i
know the parts are getting worn and the spare parts locker is looking
pretty bare right now, but technology is doing a lot of fantastic
things, so, i'm hoping i'll have great news on friday.

=========

tom -  if you can get your wife checked out with an echo cardiogram and
stress test.  that will tell the tale.  it's better to have a clean bill
of health, then to say to yourself, "is it real?  or is it memorex?"

on you being the older partner.  allow me to share this with you.  my
father was 11 years older than my mother.  it was always understood that
my dad would die first and as i grew up, it was more or less accepted
because the male doesn't live as long.

at age 61, my mother went in for a routine heart catherization and it
killed her.  when they examined her later, they found that the heart was
the strongest organ in her body, and don't know what killed her.  

my dad went on to live until age 92.  the prostate cancer did kill him
and it died from prostate cancer because of the doctors doing the
watchful waiting instead of treating him.  i'm bitter on this because
his psa was 6 when they found the pca and we all know that with that low
of psa, they could have done some form of radiation at least, but
didn't.  he was in great health for his age too, but watched his psa
climb to 288 before they treated him with lupron.  this is why i believe
that we have to take an active role in the treatment of our health and
body.  

well, i'll get down on my tree stump.  

i do wish everyone low psa's and be sure to hug your spouse a little
tighter tonight to let them know you care.  

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
keith340@webtv.net - 27 Apr 2005 11:36 GMT
thanks tom and curtis for the info....I will take a look at the
research...

Keith Lundy/So. California
40 Proton Beam Radiation Treatments
Loma Linda  Univ.Med Ctr..3/03-5/03
keith340@webtv.net - 27 Apr 2005 12:04 GMT
thank you curtis for sharing about betty's restenosis....brachytherapy
as a treatment option makes sense...it is a relatively new treatment for
heart patients and another option...i'm just suprised that i never heard
about it in my 5 years as a cardiac patient at the Loma Linda Heart
Institute...

Keith Lundy/So. California
40 Proton Beam Radiation Treatments
Loma Linda  Univ.Med Ctr..3/03-5/03
c palmer - 28 Apr 2005 02:11 GMT
we all know this time too damn well.  the stress from waiting.  from the
time you get the news that you have pca to the time of treatment is very
stressful.  

one can only imagine the stress of having something ran into your heart
and the possible negative outcome from it.  the experiences of having
your heart worked on each time has been from unpleasant to most painful.  

so, last tuesday, getting told that you need this procedure drops you
into a shell shock situation and it takes a little while to have the
time to deal with it.  on the good news side, it happened so quick, that
you don't have the stress buildup of having to wait and just deal with
the stress of having the procedure itself.

today, we got a phone call that the one specialist won't be able to come
in till next tuesday, so, now, the stress of the wait is starting to
take it's toll today on her.  as the roles of the impeding feelings of
doom are reversed (i'm referring to myself having the RP) and she could
do nothing for me because i was the one who was having the operation,
i'm finding myself in the supporting role of keeping the faith.

this makes an interesting point here.  they say if you can walk a mile
in the other person's shoes, you can see the situation better from their
viewpoint.  ok....... i'll buy that..... but she's had operations before
like this in earlier years.   it took me - the experience - of going
through my prostate surgery and the facing of a potential fatal disease
to bring those feelings home.  

now, even though, this procedure is probably no worse than the open
heart surgery,  i can definitely feel the intensity of build up of
stress and the overall feelings of doom and gloom, of both, the
situation, and in the individual.  

i really don't have a answer for this one.  i just wanted to post to
explain how it takes one to become exposed to situations - to lend
yourself to the experience - so to speak, to better understand both
yourself and the world around you.

will post more on this as it unfolds.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
c palmer - 04 May 2005 01:06 GMT
good news first - they didn't do the brachytherapy nor the angeoplasty.
after using dye tracing, the surgeon said that the stents didn't warrant
doing any procedure at this time.  he stated that the three saphenous
vein grafts are ok

he didn't have any explanations as to why she is having all the
symptoms.

the bad news - the stents are about 60% stopped up.  they do not like to
do anything on blockages until they are about 80% because of the dangers
involved of a heart attack or stroke.

her blood pressure kept going over 200 while at the hospital....

she's out of the hospital and back home tonight.

so, all is as well as can be - for now.....

now, for a bonus feature.

as one of the sons was driving to the hospital, he had a full blown
police pursuit pass him that makes "cops" show look small.  

the cops were chasing bank robbers in a corvette on the expressway and
as they went down the road, more and more local, state and state cop
cars joined in.  there were quite a bit of shooting going and motorists
had bullets go through their dash or windshields.  (none were struck)
the chase lasted an hour and ended up in another state.  it was captured
by the chopper in the air as well as dash cams.

stupid things criminals say........

when they were hauling the one bad guy off,  the news person ask him
about the chase and they disregard of others?  his comment was, "i don't
know anything about it.  i was just fishing....that's all"

when they asked the other bad guy, he said, "i'm cold and i'm hungry"
when asked "why",  he said, "i should have eaten something before we hit
the bank!!"

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
Steve U - 04 May 2005 23:24 GMT
Curtis,
I'm happy to hear the wife is back at home with you. Do something  you
both enjoy!
Steve U
keith340@webtv.net - 05 May 2005 11:51 GMT
Thanks for the update my friend...you and Betty are always in my
prayers...

Keith Lundy/So. California
40 Proton Beam Radiation Treatments
Loma Linda  Univ.Med Ctr..3/03-5/03
Steve Kramer - 27 Apr 2005 04:21 GMT
I'll have a talk with the big guy again.  Maybe it's helped in the past.

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3cN0M0 Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .05
non Illegitimi carborundum

> had betty's doctor appt this morning.  after he looked at the chart, he
> scheduled her to go into the hospital this friday.  they are going to do
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
> http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
Alan Meyer - 20 Apr 2005 20:10 GMT
> old news curtis...this was discussed here a few weeks ago when the story
> first broke.....

I missed it.  So I'm glad you reposted Curtis.

But what a pain in the a.s this is!

I chose radiation over surgery because I thought there
were fewer side effects.  But you pick your poisons.  With
surgery you come out with all sorts of dramatic side effects
right away, starting with a big zipper scar down your abdomen
and a rubber tube hanging out of your penis.

With radiation you come out fat, dumb and happy, not
knowing much about all the damage inside.

I guess you pays your money and you takes your choice,
and then hope for the best.

   Alan
c palmer - 20 Apr 2005 21:34 GMT
I guess you pays your money and you takes your choice, and then hope for
the best.
        Alan
========well said.  

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
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