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PSA 3.8

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Shorty - 17 Apr 2005 17:04 GMT
My son is 42 and lives in Mew Zealand.  His PSA came back at 4.1
followed in a few weeks at 3.8.  DRE found nothing unusual.  Doc sent
him to a uro who said he needed the biopsy since he considered the PSA
high and the fact that I had PC.  He is having the biopsy today.  I
can't remember exactly but isn't a PSA of around 3-4 considered pretty
normal?

BTW they do the biopsy in a hospital with anesthesia.  His uro said that
is the normal procedure in NZ.  The equilivant US cost is $400.

Shorty
John Loomis - 17 Apr 2005 17:15 GMT
I would see the Dr. and have the biopsy if there was any doubt.
I did not have anesthesia.......since it is done as a walk in walk out deal.
I drove home about 80 miles after.......I was fine, just a little
uncomfortable about the whole thing.....
John Loomis
> My son is 42 and lives in Mew Zealand.  His PSA came back at 4.1 followed
> in a few weeks at 3.8.  DRE found nothing unusual.  Doc sent him to a uro
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> Shorty
Alan Meyer - 17 Apr 2005 17:57 GMT
> My son is 42 and lives in Mew Zealand.  His PSA came back at 4.1 followed in a few weeks
> at 3.8.  DRE found nothing unusual.  Doc sent him to a uro who said he needed the biopsy
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> Shorty

It is my understanding that both 4.1 and 3.8 are high
for a man of 42.  If he were 70 it might be different, but
a man that young should not have so high a PSA.  Some
doctors are now saying that for men under 50, anything
over 2.5 is suspicious.

It could be due to causes other than cancer, but a biopsy
sounds like an excellent idea.  His doctor and his urologist
are on the ball.  I wish my doctor had been as smart when I
had a PSA of 3.7 at age 55.  Instead of waiting two years for
my next PSA test I might have been cured while it was still
easy to do.

   Alan
James A Honeychuck - 17 Apr 2005 18:20 GMT
Anesthesia?  What service.

Right, PSA at that level would not warrant a biopsy in the United States
unless a first-order relative had PCa.

jimhoney

> My son is 42 and lives in Mew Zealand.  His PSA came back at 4.1
> followed in a few weeks at 3.8.  DRE found nothing unusual.  Doc sent
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> Shorty
Shorty - 18 Apr 2005 01:21 GMT
> Anesthesia?  What service.
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>> Shorty
Like me, his father.  The service was very nice---private room before
and after, in hospital about 3 hours.  Shorty.
Ron B - 17 Apr 2005 18:44 GMT
Hi Shorty.

It's a good idea for his biopsy with your history.

As Alan said...they are leaning towards 2.5 as a marker these days.

I had lidocaine injections before my biopsy and it wasn't bad. (February
of this year)

I could just walk out and drive away afterwards.

Maybe THAT'S the kind of anesthesia he's having.

Many guys had NO anesthesia or just a topical swab applied beforehand.

Best wishes,

Ron B.

Chicago
Marshall Schuon - 18 Apr 2005 09:17 GMT
Ahh.  I'm one of those who had no anesthesia.  Had a dozen cores taken
and it really was a piece of cake.  The doc warned me that it might be
uncomfortable, but it felt just like somebody snapping you with a
rubber band.  Really surprisingly simple.  

Marshall

>Hi Shorty.
>
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>Chicago
ron - 17 Apr 2005 19:15 GMT
Hi Shorty...Has your son had any earlier PSA measurements?  If so, is
there a trend?...Best wishes and good health to you and your son, Ron
Dave LaCourse - 17 Apr 2005 19:28 GMT
>My son is 42 and lives in Mew Zealand.  His PSA came back at 4.1
>followed in a few weeks at 3.8.  DRE found nothing unusual.  Doc sent
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>Shorty

I was 59 when dx with PCa; my psa was 3.4 *which was considered about
normal for a man of 59*.  I think a 4.2 or a 3.8 at age 42 requires
further action.  

The biopsy is easy, not much worse than a DRE.  Sort of like a DRE
with a snap from a rubber band.  I was a little anxious about it, at
first, but after the first "snap", it didn't bother me.  Nothing to
really be concerned about.  However, the "results" should be looked at
very carefully.

Good luck to your son.

Dave
Steve Kramer - 17 Apr 2005 20:23 GMT
Hank,

The good news is that there is no known association between fathers and sons
and PCa except if the father gets PCa at a young age (<50 YOA).  And then
there is only a 10% increase in probability.

However, the bad news is that unless he's got some prostate problems, 4.1 is
abnormally high for a 42 year old.

Please keep us apprised.

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> My son is 42 and lives in Mew Zealand.  His PSA came back at 4.1
> followed in a few weeks at 3.8.  DRE found nothing unusual.  Doc sent
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> Shorty
Shorty - 18 Apr 2005 01:24 GMT
> Hank,
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> Please keep us apprised.

Thanks for all the posts--now we await the results.  I will post them.

Shorty
Dave LaCourse - 18 Apr 2005 03:25 GMT
>Thanks for all the posts--now we await the results.  I will post them.
>
>Shorty

Big smiley here for you, Shorty.  Just remember that this is a
newsgroup that talks about penises.  I can think of only one other
nickname worse than Shorty --- Stubby-- when talking about a penis.
d;o)

Hope your friend has good news, and please do keep us posted.

Be well.

Big Dave     d;o)
Shorty - 18 Apr 2005 14:04 GMT
>>Thanks for all the posts--now we await the results.  I will post them.
>>
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> Big Dave     d;o)

I started using the nickname Shorty AFTER my prostate operation and you
probably know why.

Shorty
Dave LaCourse - 18 Apr 2005 16:38 GMT
>I started using the nickname Shorty AFTER my prostate operation and you
>probably know why.

I apologize.  I guess my sense of humor isn't always appreciated.

Be well.

Dave
Shorty - 18 Apr 2005 17:00 GMT
>>I started using the nickname Shorty AFTER my prostate operation and you
>>probably know why.
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> Dave

No apology needed.
Mike - 21 May 2005 12:44 GMT
>>> I started using the nickname Shorty AFTER my prostate operation and
>>> you probably know why.
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> No apology needed.

In the UK, we use a local anaesthetic, is that what you meant?  I would have
appreciated a general anaesthetic.  It was not painful, just uncomfortable.
 
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