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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / April 2005there is hope friends
My name is Aristides from Canary Islands, Spain and fighting against this illness I found a web page that made me to investigate deeply. All what I?ve found is great. So, I join with this company to prove Transfer Factor PLus and I feel better. So I want to share this info to all of you, so you can get hope and fight against the illness. Have a look to: http://www.wellnesswatch.net/successstories/cancer_ss.html I?ll be very glad if I can help you >My name is Aristides from Canary Islands, Spain and fighting against this >illness I found a web page that made me to investigate deeply. All what I´ve [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >http://www.wellnesswatch.net/successstories/cancer_ss.html >I´ll be very glad if I can help you I'm already deep in the Amazonian jungles, up sh.t creek in a barbed-wire canoe with 'gators snapping at my arse. Still haven't found the cure :-( -- Reader to complete... -- Please reply to this ng as my email adress is fake: -- Regards -- CC > My name is Aristides from Canary Islands, Spain and fighting against this > illness I found a web page that made me to investigate deeply. All what I´ve > found is great. > So, I join with this company to prove Transfer Factor PLus and I feel > better. > So I want to share this info to all of you, so you can get hope and fight > against the illness. > Have a look to: > http://www.wellnesswatch.net/successstories/cancer_ss.html > I´ll be very glad if I can help you Aristides, I am concerned about websites like this. You will notice that there are no names, only initials like "L.B." Medical practitioners also have no names, only "the famous hospital in Mexico", or "my doctor". No scientific publications are cited. I'm guessing that everything you read on that website is pure fiction - total lies. If it were the truth, there would be verifiable sources. Anybody can make up lies and publish them on the Internet. People do it every day, every hour. That's what I think is going on there. Alan "make up lies and publish them...every hour" ??? Isn't that called "advertising" ? "Alan Meyer" <ameyer2@yahoo.com> wrote in message Anybody can make up lies and publish them on the Internet. People do it every day, every hour. That's what I think is going on there. Alan > "make up lies and publish them...every hour" ??? Isn't > that called "advertising" ? > ... I recently met a professor of marketing. I asked him if they had an ethics course at the business college where he taught. He laughed and said they had one, but it really belonged in the fiction department. Alan Hi Alan, I understand you don?t trust everything you see on internet. So I don?t. I have checked a lot of info before taking that products for me and my family. I?ll try to find web pages where you can find more info. http://www.transferfactorinstitute.com/ Here you can see that TF has been approved by the health Ministry of Russia. and what the American Medical Review has to say about this product. http://www.antibioticfailure.com/ And here you can read about which kind of company is behind the product. I think that is the first thing we should find out. http://www.mckinnon-mulherin.com/news_articles_12-2004.htm I hope to be from more help for you, but you have to understand that due my language is spanish it is a little hard for me to collect all this info in English, but I?ll try it. Here about cancer: http://www.wasatchhealth.com/Pages/Cancer.html Sincerely from Canary Islands Montysalud wrote: > My name is Aristides from Canary Islands, Spain and fighting against this > illness I found a web page that made me to investigate deeply. All what I?ve > found is great. > So, I join with this company to prove Transfer Factor PLus and I feel > better. > So I want to share this info to all of you, so you can get hope and fight > against the illness. > Have a look to: > http://www.wellnesswatch.net/successstories/cancer_ss.html > I?ll be very glad if I can help you Aristides, I am concerned about websites like this. You will notice that there are no names, only initials like "L.B." Medical practitioners also have no names, only "the famous hospital in Mexico", or "my doctor". No scientific publications are cited. I'm guessing that everything you read on that website is pure fiction - total lies. If it were the truth, there would be verifiable sources. Anybody can make up lies and publish them on the Internet. People do it every day, every hour. That's what I think is going on there. Alan Those sites present no evidence that "TF" is effective against prostate cancer. Am I wrong? Jim > Hi Alan, > I understand you don´t trust everything you see on internet. So I don´t. I [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > Alan I looked at the medical abstracts cited on the above websites and find no evidence of any reputable medical journal citations, any peer-reviewed articles, or any articles by MDs. I would not recommend anyone use any of the immune-enhancing approaches cited herein for primary treatment of Pca. > Those sites present no evidence that "TF" is effective against prostate cancer. > > Am I wrong? I didn't see any such evidence. I think you're right. Alan Hi Jim, You can see a more specific info in: http://www.preciouspets.org/4life/biogenistein_plus.htm There you can see in a section that they say: "Genistein has been shown in some cases to inhibit loss of bone mass,1 help block prostate enlargement and prostate cancer,2 " and this 2 refers to bibliography: 2. a) Genistein inhibits the, growth of human-patient BPH and prostate cancer in bistoculture. Prostate 1998, 34(2),75-79. b) Inhibition of human prostate cancer cell proliferation by genistein. Proceed Am Assoc Cancer Res 1997, 38, 262. c) Genistein inhibits proliferation and in vitro invasive potential of human prostatic cancer cell lines. Anticancer Res 1997, 17(2A) Anticancer Res 1997, 17 (2A) I am not a doctor and unfortunately, we don?t have that product here in Spain, but american people can get it easily. I hope this info can help you. Anyway, it?s usual that any food suplement company can?t state that its product cure any desease because FDA does not allow it. I mean, Imagine, you find a product that help to get rid of cancer. Though you are sure of this fact you?ll never be allowed to make that statement. I?m sure you know there are bigger interests out there. You should to say something like : this product can help you to support your inmune system, or something like this. > Those sites present no evidence that "TF" is effective against prostate > cancer. [quoted text clipped - 65 lines] >> >> Alan > Hi Alan, > I understand you don?t trust everything you see on internet. So I don?t. I have checked > a lot of info before taking that products for me and my family. I?ll try to find web > pages where you can find more info. ... Hello Aristides I remain skeptical. The web pages you cited made me even more skeptical. I did a search on Pubmed for ("transfer factors" cancer). There were a total of 9 hits. I read all the abstracts. Not one suggested any specific role of "transfer factors" in fighting cancer, though a few did discuss the participation of transfer factors in the cancer process. Why isn't there peer reviewed published, scientific research about this? The web pages claim that Dr. H. Sherwood Lawrence discovered transfer factors in 1949. Then it cites a 2004 article as the "first evidence" of immune cell activation by this means. What exactly was discovered in 1949 if the "first evidence" for it was in 2004? And why, if this was discovered in 1949, aren't there any articles about it in Pubmed, which indexes virtually all of the published scientific literature in medicine? I know a little bit about biology, and I know that the biological processes of cell growth, tumor growth, immunity, intercellular communication, etc., are extraordinarily complex involving almost astronomical numbers of different organic molecules in astonishingly complex chains of reactions across all sorts of incredibly complex inter and intra cellular structures. It is that complexity that has made cancer research so difficult and progress so slow. The real researchers aren't selling pills on websites. They're working in government, university and industry laboratories. They're publishing in peer reviewed journals. They're submitting data to the FDA for approval of clinical trials. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't help suspecting that the guys at "The Transfer Factor Institute" are a bunch of snake oil salesmen ("snake oil" is an American slang term for phony drugs) trying to get rich by tricking desperately ill people into parting with their money. Alan From: arismari@yahoo.com.mx (Montysalud) My name is Aristides from Canary Islands, Spain and fighting against this illness I found a web page that made me to investigate deeply. All what I´ve found is great. So, I join with this company to prove Transfer Factor PLus and I feel better. So I want to share this info to all of you, so you can get hope and fight against the illness. Have a look to: http://www.wellnesswatch.net/successstories/cancer_ss.html I´ll be very glad if I can help you =============hi aristides - i've been around the prostate cancer scene going 15 years and i've seen it all. the grape seed exact. the grape seed diet, PC SPES, tomato diet, all the different vitamins one can take and you know what???? not a single person even 3 years ago or longer is still around to say they were saved. let me clarify that even further. not a single person who said that they had proven prostate cancer and was taking a natural product has ever posted 3 years later to say they were alive and have beaten prostate cancer by the diet they were on. also, 4 stories in your success section doesn't cut it when one compares the hundreds of thousands of men who have had prostate cancer in their life on this earth. what about them? surely, some of them have tried some of what you are saying because they posted here about 9 years ago. now, what you are saying might leave a good taste in someone's mouth. but when you consider the very fact that you are playing with your own life at stake.....well, it's your life that is at risk and i'm not going to tell you what to do or what to take. if you are around in 3 years, please post how you are doing and we will be happy to hear from you. but would you do us a favor also??? if you not doing so good, have the common courtesy of posting that to, so that men who have prostate cancer won't fall for what you did? now, on the plus side, if your product is as good you claim it is, why stop at this newsgroup to tell a few hundred people when you can go to clinics and hospitals, like mayo, john-hopkins, moffit, not to mention the FDA for approval to use this treatment as a form of curing prostate cancer. after all, that IS what you are saying - right? i wish you well, but make no mistake on my position. i will listen to what you have to say but have hard core proof, facts, and figures to back up EXACTLY this product can or can not do. otherwise, i can not nor will i, be part of what you are trying to promote in any way, shape or form. ~ curtis knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc My goodness, Curtis . . . are you saying that hundreds of thousands (n00,000) of cases might produce more valid data than four(4)? Popular wisdom disputes that. Can you back it up? ;-) I.P. > 4 stories in your success section doesn't cut it > when one compares the hundreds of thousands > of men who have had prostate cancer |
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