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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / April 2005Spam and other needless junk
I've been reading the numerous posts for the last couple of weeks and I have responded to several based on my own PCa situation. It has ben an interesting time and I have gained some good insight on several issues. BUT unfortunately it appears that some folks are using a valuable asset, this newsgroup that relates to men with PCa and, most certainly, the women who also share the load this disease brings, to access e-mail addresses for personal gain or for reasons not at all related to the subject of PCa. I find that to be shameful and disgraceful. Using a valuable newsgroup to gather up information to be used for commercial reasons displays a crass disrespect for the medical hardship many people are faced with. Shame on them. I'm signing off, removing my name and my e-mail address from this newsgoup. I have a real thing about personal privacy and I go to some length to protect my computer and me from trash. I know there are work arounds, false addresses and the like, but that is not my preference. It is too bad that the internet, which can be such a very valuable asset in obtaining good information about serious diseases is being corrupted by people who have no heart, have no soul and are so insensitive to the needs of others. Humanity can rise to great heights and stoop to low depths. Too bad the promise of the internet is being corrupted by low lifes who lurk on it ready to jump on any opportunity for personal gain at the expense of good people who are simply looking for help. Goodbye. You can always delete those items that are not of interest. The internet is great. there will be trash, and such.....just as there is along any highway........I see it every day..... Disregard that, help get rid of it, educate those that do not know protocol. Anyway....why sacrifice a great newsgroup for a few fools! John Loomis > I've been reading the numerous posts for the last couple of weeks and I > have responded to several based on my own PCa situation. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Goodbye. >You can always delete those items that are not of interest. >The internet is great. there will be trash, and such.....just as there is >along any highway........I see it every day..... >Disregard that, help get rid of it, educate those that do not know protocol. >Anyway....why sacrifice a great newsgroup for a few fools! >John Loomis <snip> The Stuart Highway going South from Darwin had 160 beer cans to the mile for the first 10 miles in 1974 (if that's significant). How do I know this? The previous day, the logistics contractor I was working for got us to jack up a house, plop it on a flat-bed truck (house float), take it that far down the road and relocate it. In the course of this, we managed to knock out all the mile pegs and other markers for the trip. To appease the Local Govt., we had to sit on the back of a flatbed pickup truck the next day and manually reinstate them all. (that's when I counted the cans *s*). However, on the net, I soon learned that working with kosher email addys was fatal, so I tried out a few domain names until I could get one that didn't work (surprising what DOES work). so perch.biz was adopted ...... perch.com worked! nevdevofwestnetblobcomblobau replace the "of" and the "blobs" with "@" and "."s -- Reader to complete... -- Please reply to this ng as my email adress is fake: -- Regards -- CC > To appease the Local Govt., we had to sit on the back of a flatbed > pickup truck the next day and manually reinstate them all. (that's > when I counted the cans *s*). Must have been the slow time of year if only that many. In Rooty Hill they can have that many cans on a Saturday night in one house! :) > However, on the net, I soon learned that working with kosher email > addys was fatal, so I tried out a few domain names until I could get > one that didn't work (surprising what DOES work). so perch.biz was > adopted ...... perch.com worked! Even better - do what I do and spamblock the address. Hit reply to see what I mean. Hi Harold...... Unfortunately, the *people* who spammed you were robot programs (called "bots") and they constantly go thru the news groups looking for real addresses, and they will not stop if you leave. I wish it were different, but that's the way it works. I used to use my real address but stopped about 3 years ago. I tried a test on this news group with my Yahoo one back in the days of the SWEN virus. I posted once and I was deluged with them. In fact, that account still gets a lot of spam some 1 or 2 years later. You may find that you will have to change your address if it doesn't let up. Or see if your ISP is planning on adding anti-spam programs to their servers. Mine has and it is worth its weight in gold. I wish you luck......Heather > I've been reading the numerous posts for the last couple of weeks and I > have responded to several based on my own PCa situation. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Goodbye. > Hi Harold...... > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Or see if your ISP is planning on adding anti-spam programs to their > servers. Mine has and it is worth its weight in gold. Two things that will make your life automated, happy and a lot safer (though nothing is 100% safe) on the net: 1) Mcafee Virusscan. It is, without doubt, the best antivirus prog there is. You pay for it of course. 2) Mcafee Spamkiller. Again, the best of it's type there is. Their firewall is useless though so don't bother with it or the privacy function but the two above will make life a lot easier for you! > Two things that will make your life automated, happy and a lot safer (though nothing is 100% safe) on the net: > 1) Mcafee Virusscan. It is, without doubt, the best antivirus prog there is. > You pay for it of course. > > 2) Mcafee Spamkiller. Again, the best of it's type there is. Have to disagree with you, GB.......of all of the antivirus proggies out there, the two that seem to cause the most problems, according to my Microsoft and Antivirus Help Groups are Norton (#1) and then McAfee......Live Update is often the culprit with Norton. Fortunately, my ISP has filters for spam and viruses. That in itself makes it worth what I pay (Rogers Cable). I was averaging 100 spam per day up till then. Now the odd one sneaks thru, but I just report it to Spamcop. I use a *rebadged* antivirus from your country......EZ Trust from CA (Computer Associates), which was VET. It is available for one year free from the Microsoft website until August of this year. I can HIGHLY recommend it, having used it for 5+ years. It used to be the free InoculateIT PE when I first started using it. Link is long but should work, if anyone would like to try it out. http://home.ca.com/dr/v2/ec_main.entry25?page=PYPCTrialPage&client=ComputerAssoc iates&sid=35715&CID=185351 Cheers.....Heather >> Two things that will make your life automated, happy and a lot safer >(though nothing is 100% safe) on the net: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >(Computer Associates), which was VET. It is available for one year free >from the Microsoft website until August of this year. <snip> To each his own. I opted out of the ISP's additional spam & antivirus service. I don't get many to my POP address anyway. Sygate Personal Firewall McAfee Spamkiller Sophos Anti-Virus (free updates) Courier Email Client with Custom Filters Ad Aware Spyware Blaster The Cleaner for Trojans PLUS seldom reveal my kosher POP email address to other than personal contacts. Cheers "Meatloaf" like a Bat out of Hell aka nevdevofwestnetblobcomblobau "of" = @ AND blob = "." -- Reader to complete... -- Please reply to this ng as my email adress is fake: -- Regards -- CC >> Two things that will make your life automated, happy and a lot safer > (though nothing is 100% safe) on the net: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Microsoft and Antivirus Help Groups are Norton (#1) and then > McAfee......Live Update is often the culprit with Norton. Have to disagree with your groups but I work in the industry and part of my job is to test and ensure programs for Windows. While others have opinions, I actually have proven mine. :) Mcafee is best but yes, Nortons is causing problems and interestingly have caused more problems each new version since the 2003 version. Unfortunately, a lot of the problems are the users themselves. They see a box, recognise a name and buy it and that's that. > Fortunately, my ISP has filters for spam and viruses. That in itself > makes Not at all very useful. They do catch some things but unless you have your own on your computer, you are open to trouble. > it worth what I pay (Rogers Cable). I was averaging 100 spam per day up > till then. Now the odd one sneaks thru, but I just report it to Spamcop. Spamcop doesnt do all that much really. Mcafee's Spamkiller has a "report to McAfee" button for spam. I have, on occasion, found that they responded by updating their filters to include what I reported but I have no idea if that was just coincidence or not. It is, however, beside the point with Spamkiller. I have made up rules using it for various things based on one hell of a lot of options it offers. It isnt for the feint hearted to delve that deeply into it but it sure does work well "out of the box". > I use a *rebadged* antivirus from your country......EZ Trust from CA > (Computer Associates), which was VET. It is available for one year free > from the Microsoft website until August of this year. If you want free, be prepared to get what you paid for. However, if you want indefinite free, get AVG. > > Have to disagree with you, GB.......of all of the antivirus proggies out > > there, the two that seem to cause the most problems, according to my > > Microsoft and Antivirus Help Groups are Norton (#1) and then > > McAfee......Live Update is often the culprit with Norton. > >>> Have to disagree with your groups but I work in the industry and part of my job is to test and ensure programs for Windows. While others have opinions, I actually have proven mine. :) <<<<<< OK....but pop on over to alt.comp.anti-virus or alt.comp.virus (the former is a spinoff from a.c.v.).....and see the folks writing in with regard to McAfee. Perhaps you could help them.....and that would be appreciated. >>>Nortons is causing problems and interestingly have caused more problems each new version since the 2003 version. Unfortunately, a lot of the problems are the users themselves. They see a box, recognise a name and buy it and that's that.<<<< I went to Staples and showed the tech that Norton 2005 declared on the box that is worked for WindowsME.....it does NOT. It crashes the O/S continually.....so you are right in a way....but Symantec should take 100% of the blame!! > > Fortunately, my ISP has filters for spam and viruses. That in itself > > makes > > Not at all very useful. They do catch some things but unless you have your > own on your computer, you are open to trouble. Not quite sure what sort of *trouble* I am open to. Have had none and this computer is pretty tight on security and safe hex. >>>> Spamcop doesnt do all that much really. <<< I was getting triplicates of spam for some time (from China of course) and reported it to Spamcop with an accompanying *less than pleased* note. I was pleasantly surprised to see it stop within 24 hours. First time I have noticed a distinct fix. > > I use a *rebadged* antivirus from your country......EZ Trust from CA > > (Computer Associates), which was VET. It is available for one year free from the Microsoft website until August of this year. > If you want free, be prepared to get what you paid for. However, if you want indefinite free, get AVG.<<<<< I forgot to mention that mine has been the PAY version for most of those 5 years.....I wrote to them when they joined up with Microsoft when they offered EZ Armor free and they told me to get that rather than pay for the renewal. AVG has been causing some grief, according to a.c.a.v. I haven't paid attention to it, but again....pop into alt.comp.anti-virus and you will see many complaints about it. I usually recommend it to people who don't have an antivirus......and yes, there are a lot of people that don't think they need one. My neighbour had 7 trojans and 125 pieces of spyware on his XP.....he had let Norton lapse and turned off Zone Alarm!! And he sells main frame computers?? Took me 2 hours to clean the junk off his computer...including Kazaa!! Cheers....Heather Hi Heather, Your neighbor ( US spelling )should know better than to carelessly use a P/P network. I hope you've advised him.regarding that. Tom > > > Have to disagree with you, GB.......of all of the antivirus proggies out > > > there, the two that seem to cause the most problems, according to my [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Cheers....Heather Hi Tom...... His kids had downloaded KaZaa.....spyware version. I removed it. He got the trojans from not using a firewall. They come in via open ports. But, re P2p, I have been using WinMX for mp3's for about 3-4 years and never have had a problem. And don't expect to. KaZaa is a horror story. There are others out there that are just fine for music......such as LimeWire, eMule, etc. It is when the kids download cracks and pirated programs (not mp3's) that they often get infested with viruses and spyware. Of course, one can virus-check each download, but I really don't know of any virus in an mp3 format.......so far. Thanks.....Heather > Hi Heather, > Your neighbor ( US spelling )should know better than to carelessly use a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > computers?? Took me 2 hours to clean the junk off his > computer...including Kazaa!! >> > Have to disagree with you, GB.......of all of the antivirus proggies >> > out [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > is a spinoff from a.c.v.).....and see the folks writing in with regard to > McAfee. Perhaps you could help them.....and that would be appreciated. I have been there. Unfortunately too many "empire builders". One thing you can do with Nortons for example is make up a really deeply nested folder and put a virus in it then call it to run. Nortons wont find the virus file at all on your HD in that case but the same file on your desktop, yes it will. >>>>Nortons is causing problems and interestingly have caused more problems > each new version since the 2003 version. Unfortunately, a lot of the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > continually.....so you are right in a way....but Symantec should take 100% > of the blame!! Windows ME all of it's own is a disaster without adding anything else to it! >> > Fortunately, my ISP has filters for spam and viruses. That in itself >> > makes [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > this > computer is pretty tight on security and safe hex. I bet you think that is true but I know it isnt. I cant say that about any machine unless the plug is pulled. >>>>> Spamcop doesnt do all that much really. <<< > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > pleasantly surprised to see it stop within 24 hours. First time I have > noticed a distinct fix. Likely to be coincidence. However, you think THAT is bad? At my ISP they decided to put MX records in and 7 companies took them up on it. They had their own MX record " sub domain". Any time I got a spam to my own email address that went to my username at those sub domains, it was forwarded to me, too, even though I never went in for those MX records. So, I got the same spam 7 times multiplied by the same spam using different from lines. So, if one spammer sent FROM 100 different addresses to those 7 sub domains and my own address, I got it 800 times. You understand why I got sick of that. > AVG has been causing some grief, according to a.c.a.v. I haven't paid > attention to it, but again....pop into alt.comp.anti-virus and you will > see > many complaints about it. I usually recommend it to people who don't have > an antivirus......and yes, there are a lot of people that don't think they > need one. Everyone NEEDS one and like I said, you get what you paid for with a free antivirus. I wouldnt complain about the prog. I would just be aware that there's no use complaining when you didnt pay for it. > My neighbour had 7 trojans and 125 pieces of spyware on his XP.....he had > let Norton lapse and turned off Zone Alarm!! And he sells main frame > computers?? Took me 2 hours to clean the junk off his > computer...including > Kazaa!! I still hold the second largest spyware infestation found by Adaware in the world. Nearly 11,000, mostly cookies that were trackers but over 500 installed programs. Took 3 hours to complete Adaware. Customer called and asked why their machine could be running slowly. I went and checked it out and told them "probably that" with a grin. :) > Windows ME all of it's own is a disaster without adding anything else to it! And the question I now ask of those who run WinME down is "have you ever used it"??? I have for 4 years and I happen to like it. I have XP Home here.....but an upgrade failed. I will eventually put it on a second HD, but am in no rush. > > Not quite sure what sort of *trouble* I am open to. Have had none and > > this computer is pretty tight on security and safe hex. > > I bet you think that is true but I know it isnt. I cant say that about any > machine unless the plug is pulled. You still haven't told me what sort of trouble I am supposed to be in??? > I still hold the second largest spyware infestation found by Adaware in the > world. Nearly 11,000, mostly cookies that were trackers but over 500 > installed programs. Took 3 hours to complete Adaware. Customer called and asked why their machine could be running slowly. I went and checked it out and told them "probably that" with a grin. :)<<<< Amazing!! Oh....and my ditzy neighbour (the main frame computer salesman for 30 years) was just in here and was describing a problem he is having with his IE browser (XP Home).....sounded like a browser hijacker to me and I asked him if he still had Zone Alarm on. "No, my son turned it off". I happen to know that the son would not do that, so I threatened to do mean things to his body, grin. He let his AV lapse as well. Now I have to go over and clean it up once again........sigh. If I choose to. And he wasn't sure if he had SP2 on there either. Why don't people listen???? I read him the Riot Act two years ago!! (7 trojans and 125 spyware at that time) Rant over..... Heather >> Windows ME all of it's own is a disaster without adding anything else to > it! [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > here.....but an upgrade failed. I will eventually put it on a second HD, > but am in no rush. Yep, used it in different scenarios. The less you push it, the better it runs. However, expect it to work and it falls flat. >> > Not quite sure what sort of *trouble* I am open to. Have had none and >> > this computer is pretty tight on security and safe hex. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You still haven't told me what sort of trouble I am supposed to be in??? I cant remember what that bit was about now. However, if you trust a firewall of any sort, that's a problem. >> I still hold the second largest spyware infestation found by Adaware in > the > world. Nearly 11,000, mostly cookies that were trackers but over 500 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > him > the Riot Act two years ago!! (7 trojans and 125 spyware at that time) Run a rootkit detector and after all is over with spyware, virus and rootkit, check it out with Hijackthis. Take those annoying SPAMS out of the equation (Delete, Delete, Delete) - and, you can't find the value of this ultra-informative and supportive news group?? You are either new to the internet (or, any mass media - remember CBs and town meetings?) - or, have you been living in a "gated community" for your whole life. Unless you are Bill Gates or some other super-rich person - life is going to be full of annoyances you can't avoid.. I would imagine you have to learn to live with them, or go back to the "gated community." (My mom lives in one down in Florida... god, I hate those places... no problems, no vagrants, no rusty cars, no crime...... no weeds, no squirrels, no birds, no personality - but, they've all got SPAM on their computers... lol) Personally, I noticed the increase in SPAM after I started posting to this group - but, have opted to leave my real e-mail address in my header because every now and then in the middle of all that crap - there'll be a very nice private message from a regular giving me advice and encouragement... Thanks gang, Paul Age: 63 10/04: PSA = 10.4, T1C, Gleason 7 (in a few samples) 11/04: RP ?looks like we got it - sparing one and a half bundles of nerves? 02/05: PSA = less than 0.1 04/05: Good bladder control - no erections (yet) - belly still sore to the touch - especially right along the incision > Personally, I noticed the increase in SPAM after I started posting to this > group - but, have opted to leave my real e-mail address in my header because > every now and then in the middle of all that crap - there'll be a very nice > private message from a regular giving me advice and encouragement... Ditto! I've gotten much increased spam too. But I want people to be able to write to me. >> Personally, I noticed the increase in SPAM after I started posting to >> this [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Ditto! > I've gotten much increased spam too. But I want people to be able to > write to me. Do yourself a favour. Get a free web based email account somewhere and put your email address for that account in instead of the one you have now so newsgroup people can email you. That way, you can have your private account hassle free and deal with spam only at your free account. You can choose who DESERVES to have your real email address and tell them to email you there, too, if you wish. My e-mail address name for years and over several ISPs was a real word of value to me. When a dictionary attack --a search of every word in the dictionary dot every ISP -- snared my address, my then-ISP, a small local one I thought would be hidden in the grass -- phoned me to ask that I change my address, because they were filtering thousands of spam A DAY. I re-spelled the word imaginatively and the problem went away. I.P. > My e-mail address name for years and over several ISPs was a real word of > value to me. When a dictionary attack --a search of every word in the > dictionary dot every ISP -- snared my address, my then-ISP, a small local > one I thought would be hidden in the grass -- phoned me to ask that I > change my address, because they were filtering thousands of spam A DAY. I > re-spelled the word imaginatively and the problem went away. Your ISP is an idiot if they were saying the spam was INCOMING and not originating on your computer. All they had to do was to filter it themselves. They would still have been receiving those same amount of emails even after your change but if your old email address was no longer at their place, their bounce manager would have been sending them back, which is useless in itself because spammers don't have real FROM addresses to which to return email. > I've been reading the numerous posts for the last couple of weeks and I > have responded to several based on my own PCa situation. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > length to protect my computer and me from trash. I know there are work > arounds, false addresses and the like, but that is not my preference. The real sad things are: 1) You should never put your real email address in a newsgroup. You can spamblock them so easily, too. 2) Just because you sign off this newsgroup doesn't mean the spam will stop. In all likeliness, it will increase as your email address makes the rounds with spammers. I kind of feel the same way about cable TV. Why the hell am I paying $70.00+ a month for all those drug ad's to come into my living room? Shouldn't they be paying me to watch their frickin advertisements?! If I remember correctly I used MailWasher Pro in the past, but with mixed results. A lot of spam still got through. I change ISP's like women change shoes so the problem goes away every six months or so as I seek a cheaper rate. I do use a.... what is the term you use Heather for a fake email address?? Can't remember (was it "munged"?). Anyway, the email address that I use on the ng is not real (Buttercup is real though). Finally, I must admit that I do get some laughs out of some of the spam. Everyone I am sure wants to see Brittany's tits, and who could pass up the opportunity to "get ur Ph&D degree frum an akedited univercity"? > I've been reading the numerous posts for the last couple of weeks and I > have responded to several based on my own PCa situation. [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Goodbye. |
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