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Tdub - 25 Mar 2005 21:29 GMT
I'm really quite suprised to learn from this group how (vitally)
important potency is to the lives of so many people, I had know idea
this was the case. I'm 55, single, and really have no interest in that
anymore (the hormones aren't raging like they did 20-30 years ago). I
guess I should feel lucky in that regard. I remember when I made the
decision a couple years ago to spare or not spare the nerves (the
latter in the interest of longevity) in response to my uro surgeon's
inquiry in preparation for surgery (of course he didn't bother to tell
me that he could make the decision based on what he found when he
opened me up). I thought I wouldn't miss that functionality much, and
the result has turned out to be exactly as I guessed - I'm glad not to
be bothered with the 2-3X weekly wacking off, which took up time I'd
rather spend on other things, like biking, walking, swimming, reading,
and hanging at cafes in the big city of the North side of Chicago. I
also don't have the 'subtle urge' to penetrate somebody sometimes, and
it really is quite comfy that way for me. I find as I have gotten older
there is less and less time in each day to do all the things I would
like to do - my interests in the many and various (nonsexual) pursuits
of life have exploded with age . . . I don't love life. I like it OK.
Death will be no problem when it comes. Even if you're never bored, and
have a lot of interesting recreational activities, I don't think life
is what it is cracked up to be, I'll be quite content to peacefully
merge into what I refer to as "R.I.P". If I don't go suddenly (would
that that would be true), I may just stop eating and let myself wither
away and die over the period of a month or two (my form of euthanasia).
That way there is a peaceful end, and you (pretty much) always have a
chance to turn back if you change your mind. Plus, you get kind of a
high when you stop eating after awhile (i.e., a certain 'oneness', and
relaxation, with nature). Even though I'm officially incontinent it
appears the PCA is gone for good, so I may just live a long time and
have an opportunity to become the scholar and authority in my second
career, begun a few years ago, that I hope to be. But "either way, it's
OK with me."
smu53@aol.com - 26 Mar 2005 02:02 GMT
TDub,
Your post is facinating to me because it is so different from my own
experience. I am not intending any value judgement. I was 50 when I got
the bad news. I was so upset about the potential loss of my sex life
that I was considering gun stores along with the more standard options.
I learned to do the injections pre-op so I would be ready afterwards. I
had ,and still have a very full life,but for a while there, anxiety
over my sex life eclipsed everything else. Now, I hope I live a long
time if life stays good like it is now.
Steve U
Tdub - 26 Mar 2005 03:58 GMT
Glad things have turned out ok for you, Steve.
John Loomis - 27 Mar 2005 02:16 GMT
Hello "T dub"

Sexuality is a part of life whether married or not.
Sexuality is a part of life regardless of Prostate Cancer Surgery.
Yes, men at all ages, and especially with wife, love sex.
Sex, and air, and working, and washing dishes, and listening to music, and
watching tv, and golfing, and fishing,  and paying attention to the kids
that have been born.
Are all reality.....
Taxes are real...
.I counted on my fingures and toes how much I use those.......All day long.
I counted how many times I use my ears and eyes....all day long.
I went poo and pee.....many times.
Seems like our body is full of many things.
I read books,
Work hard
The importance of sex...It is a part of life.
Especially if you have a wonderful wife........
Yes we are compomised, but we move ahead......

Realize that sex is just as important as all the above.

> I'm really quite suprised to learn from this group how (vitally)
> important potency is to the lives of so many people, I had know idea
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> career, begun a few years ago, that I hope to be. But "either way, it's
> OK with me."
I. P. Freely - 27 Mar 2005 03:18 GMT
"John Loomis" <jloomis@mcn.org> wrote...
> Hello "T dub"
>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> Yes we are compomised, but we move ahead......
> Realize that sex is just as important as all the above.

For some people. Others have far different priorities.

I.P.
Tdub - 28 Mar 2005 15:45 GMT
For some reason, for some (perhaps most) people, sexual activity
(perhaps only with others) "rings the inner sanctum of their being"
like nothing else, and it becomes such a part of them that you don't
like the thought of losing any part of the resonance. To others, it's
just "a few minutes of a bit of a ride" that has its burdens.
judamd@aol.com - 28 Mar 2005 17:04 GMT
In defense of Tdub, I can't help but think of the anxiety sex has
caused me over the years.  While I enjoy sex and continue to do so in
my much more limited role post-op, my whole life has been a constant
fued between my moral fabric (tattered but mostly intact) and my
hormones trying to shoot holes in it.  I read somewhere years ago that
the average male thinks of sex about every 19 seconds throughout the
day.  I can't imagine how much more productive I could have been during
my life if I had focused on something else every nineteen seconds
instead of listening to my testosterone prodding me to "sow my seed".
Dave Perry
Doug Taylor - 29 Mar 2005 15:16 GMT
>In defense of Tdub, I can't help but think of the anxiety sex has
>caused me over the years.  While I enjoy sex and continue to do so in
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>my life if I had focused on something else every nineteen seconds
>instead of listening to my testosterone prodding me to "sow my seed".

I can imagine now.  I had a very high libido prior to PCa treatment
(radiation) - I surely fit the profile - and now my libido is pretty
much nada.  Spontaneous erections pretty much a thing of the past.
Without "Vitamin V" sex would be a farce.  It used to be 3 times a
week; now it is once, if that.

On the bright side, my wife and I have adjusted to the new me, and
looking at things glass half full, just possibly for the better.  The
once a week fling is more intimate and savored by both partners more
intensely.  No more morning quickies to quell the lost and forgotten
"DSB."
--dt
Steve Kramer - 29 Mar 2005 22:20 GMT
Normal, whatever that is, people have an extremely high desire to procreate.
That's what keeps the world populated.  As with all things, there is a bell
curve in effect, but in the end, most of the people are going to be found in
the high end of the bell.

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> For some reason, for some (perhaps most) people, sexual activity
> (perhaps only with others) "rings the inner sanctum of their being"
> like nothing else, and it becomes such a part of them that you don't
> like the thought of losing any part of the resonance. To others, it's
> just "a few minutes of a bit of a ride" that has its burdens.
I. P. Freely - 12 Apr 2005 19:32 GMT
This is LATE; I hope the trash hasn't been picked up yet. I just discovered
it in my Drafts folder from last month. Yeah, it's long, but nobody's making
you read it. I hope some find it worth reading, because most of us will have
to face it.

> I'm really quite suprised to learn from this group how (vitally)
> important potency is to the lives of so many people, I had know idea
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
> career, begun a few years ago, that I hope to be. But "either way, it's
> OK with me."

Your points are valid for more people than you may think. I LOVE life, and
am overJOYED to get this cancer research out of the way for now and get on
with 10-15 far more vital, vigorous, important, and fun activities competing
for my time. My life has been and still is excellent, but I STILL HEAR YA,
Tdub. It's not DEATH that sucks, it's DYING in confused agony for both
patient and family. We can't avoid the former, but we sure can avoid the
latter. Heck, beyond our first PCA treatment, our ultimate PC fate is
largely out of our hands, so we may as well control whatever aspects of our
lives that we can. When it's down to only one thing left under my control --  
how I die -- I plan to exercise THAT control, too, with the blessing of my
wife. Any religion that dictates that we must endure prolonged, pointless
suffering to appease its god is of no interest to me. The pope had an
example to set, and lived up to his reputation. No one's watching me,
though, and I'd FAR rather scarf down lemon meringue pie than suck lemons.

Speaking of which . . . my plan, and it will be in my living will as a
contract clause . . . is to do just the opposite of your "as long as it
still appeals to me: eat myself into the grave. Besides giving criteria for
keeping me alive vs letting me die under various circumstances, I WILL
include explicit instructions for my death bed food -- beginning the day
they say I'm imminently and unavoidably terminal. No way the hospital is
catering my last few weeks' food; they're gonna get paid to wheel me into
every pizza parlor, buffet, B&R, pastry shop, Outback Steakhouse, etc. in
the county while I can still hobble or roll in there, and when I can no
longer get out of bed those places will get paid to cater my hospital meals
inhouse. I hope I still enjoy eating enough to gain 50 pounds, 100
cholesterol points, and 200 triglyceride points, in my last two months, and
to publish this living will so other folks can see an alternative way to die
of disease. Then when even that grows impossible because I'm no longer able
to eat, converse and/or think, it's time to pull the tubes and coast. I
wanna go out looking like Jabba the Kennedy by choice, not like an anorexic
marathon runner by fate.

Speaking of which, it's my understanding SO FAR that your "may just stop
eating and let myself wither away and die over the period of a month or two"
is an excruciating way to go, that total cessation of food and water is just
the opposite, a very peaceful way to go. i.e., We must proceed from
turkey'n'stuffing'n'gravy to cold turkey on sustenance rather than dawdle on
leftovers for a prolonged period of time.

My aunt's last obvious, deliberate, conscious demand was unmistakable: she
pointed to a hospital meal she couldn't eat (after a decade of throat
cancer), shook her head, looked her beloved sister in the eye, and drew her
finger across her throat. The nurse witnessed that and the hospital accepted
it as her desire to cease all nourishment and move on.

I.P.
I. P. Freely - 12 Apr 2005 22:20 GMT
Crap. I omitted an explanatory Tdub phrase from my second paragraph: "I may
just stop eating and let myself wither away and die over the period of a
month or two (my form of euthanasia)", as in

Speaking of which . . . my plan, and it will be in my living will as a
contract clause . . . is to do just the opposite of [Tdub's] "I may just
stop eating and let myself wither away and die over the period of a month or
two (my form of euthanasia)" as long as it still appeals to me: eat myself
into the grave.

These things need a Reality Check function to back up the Spell Check
function. Maybe they ought to call it the 2X4 button.
I proofread before posting, but maybe if I also took the extra time to
SHORTEN THIS STUFF I'd catch my own errors. Double apology.

I.P.

"I. P. Freely" <fuhgheddaboutit@noway.nohow> wrote >
> Speaking of which . . . my plan, and it will be in my living will as a
> contract clause . . . is to do just the opposite of your "as long as it
> still appeals to me: eat myself into the grave.
Tom Cular - 12 Apr 2005 23:16 GMT
I.P.
We've all made that blunder, sometimes it's embarrassing.
Tom
> Crap. I omitted an explanatory Tdub phrase from my second paragraph: "I may
> just stop eating and let myself wither away and die over the period of a
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> > contract clause . . . is to do just the opposite of your "as long as it
> > still appeals to me: eat myself into the grave.
I. P. Freely - 12 Apr 2005 23:34 GMT
Or just human.
It should be embarrassing only if we claim to be perfuct.  =B-)
HEY -- Did I just discover the Drew Carey emoticon?

I.P.

> We've all made that blunder, sometimes it's embarrassing.

> "I. P. Freely" <wrote .
>> Crap. I omitted an explanatory Tdub phrase from my second paragraph:
Tom Cular - 12 Apr 2005 23:51 GMT
I've only had the privilege of meeting two "perfuct" people in my 63 years,
one was an Annapolis grad., the other, we won't go there 8-))
Tom
> Or just human.
> It should be embarrassing only if we claim to be perfuct.  =B-)
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> > "I. P. Freely" <wrote .
> >> Crap. I omitted an explanatory Tdub phrase from my second paragraph:
 
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