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ED cure for some with nightly Viagra

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judamd@aol.com - 01 Mar 2005 22:03 GMT
A snipet of news to toss by your urologist.

A small study by Frank Sommer, Professor of Urology at the University
of Cologne, Germany presented at the American Urological Association
meeting, shows normal erectile function restored in >50% of subjects
after using a nightly 50mg dose of Viagra.  The patients selected for
the study had organic etiologies for erectile function or a mix of
organic and psychogenic factors.  The study did not include patients
with pure psychogenic ED.  The article did not state whether any
patients had been treated for PCa.

The concept of daily treatment at bedtime arose from the recognition
that nocturnal erections occur at all ages and contribute to the
maintenance of the integrity of smooth muscle cells in the corpora
cavernosum.

The study consisted of 84 men (mean age 47.1 years) with ED lasting
longer than six months.  The patients were randomly assigned to receive
50 mg of Viagra evey night before bedtime or 50 to 100 mg of Viagra,
taken in the conventional on-demand manner.  Treatment continued for 12
months.  Primary efficacy measures were the erectile function domain
score on the International Index of Erectile Function (IIEF) and peak
systolic velocity (PSV) of the penile arteries at 1 and 6 months after
discontinuation of therapy.  At the end of treatment, 22 of 34 treated
nightly and 21 of 32 treated on demand had normal erectile function by
IIEF criteria.  There was no mention of what happened to the missing 18
men.  One month after discontinuation, 20 of the nightly group had
normal erectile function whereas only 3 of the on-demand group had
normal erectile function.  At six months after discontinuation, 19 of
the nightly group still had normal erectile function, 55.9% of the 34
men on nightly doses.

Dave Perry
c palmer - 02 Mar 2005 00:14 GMT
hi dave - here's one for the books.  my surgeon and i were kicking
around this very concept because it came out in the same month as when i
had my surgery.  i requested the viagra, but the gov't will only give me
two pills a month.  he said that his hands are tied because regardless
what we write the script for, the computer would catch it and issue just
two pills.

i ask him. so, here's a study that offers benefits, but you can't do a
thing about it.  all he could do was shrug his shoulders.  

it's nice to know how the gov't is watching out for it's vets by
ignoring studies like these and will issue those two pills.  

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
Leonard Evens - 02 Mar 2005 03:34 GMT
> hi dave - here's one for the books.  my surgeon and i were kicking
> around this very concept because it came out in the same month as when i
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> it's nice to know how the gov't is watching out for it's vets by
> ignoring studies like these and will issue those two pills.  

Don't feel so bad.  If Congressman Steve King (R Iowa) has his way, no
one will be able to order any amount of Viagra under the new Medicare
prescription drug plan.  So you are 2 pills ahead.

> ~ curtis
>
> knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
> "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
> invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
> http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
Steve Kramer - 02 Mar 2005 11:29 GMT
> Don't feel so bad.  If Congressman Steve King (R Iowa) has his way, no
> one will be able to order any amount of Viagra under the new Medicare
> prescription drug plan.  So you are 2 pills ahead.

Part of me says that King is absolutely right.  About 1/100th of me says his
wrong.  Unfortunately, I've been listening to that 1/100th for most of my
life.

Signature

PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3bN0M0
Seminal Vesicle involvement, Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .05

non Illegitimi carborundum

Sandy K. - 02 Mar 2005 14:26 GMT
> A snipet of news to toss by your urologist.
>
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>
> Dave Perry

The doc who did my RRP put me on a regimen of 10 mg cialis every other
night.  I've been taking it since my cath came out - end of June.  The
reason I'm using cialis instead of viagra is because, pre-surgery, viagra
didn't agree with me.  My insurance allows 6 pills per month, so i cut them
in half and so far, with free samples from my uro, I haven't had too much
trouble getting & paying for the meds.  Erectile function is slowly
returning.  YMMV

Sandy K.
Doug Taylor - 02 Mar 2005 17:45 GMT
>A snipet of news to toss by your urologist.

I'm an IMRT patient.  My doc prescribed 25 mg of Viagra daily and an
additional 25 mg of Levitra before sex sometime last fall.

At the time, I thought the Rx would be covered by my insurance.  It's
not.  So I haven't been taking the 25 mg/day of Viagra because I
thought it would be way too expensive (even with a 50 mg pill for the
same price as a 25 mg, cut in half).  In my case, a 25 mg dose of
either pill works "on demand" so I thought I was making out like a
bandit.

Given this study, I wonder what will happen if I make the investment
into the daily dose?  Can PCa survivors - whatever the treatment they
underwent - really hope for a permanent "cure" of ED?

--dt
gourd_dancer - 03 Mar 2005 04:09 GMT
Doug have the Doc write a script for 100 mg and cut them in fourths. After
seeds two years ago and during IMRT I took 25 mg of Viagra. whether I needed
it or not. The reasoning was to keep the circulatory system; particularly
the capillaries, working. Today after always a year of Eligard and Casodex
and after six months of Chemo too, my Testosterone level in under 3.0, but I
have unassisted erections!.

> >A snipet of news to toss by your urologist.
>
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>
> --dt
 
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