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Still having pain and fatigue after 5 weeks?

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makingprogress - 25 Feb 2005 15:17 GMT
My husband, age 59, diabetic, (but controlled with diet and exercise), had
a rlrp 5 weeks ago.  He is doing well now, after getting over some initial
problems between weeks one and a half and two. (Bleeding, infection,
re-insertion of the catheter, then bleeding again.)  We are lucky in that
he is fully continent, and erectile function seems to be starting to
return, but I am concerned that he still has pain occasionally in his
"side" and lower abdomen. He also still experiences a lot of fatigue.  It
doesn't take much for him to be wiped out.  Prior to surgery he was very
active. Is this normal? He is returning to the urologist in another week
for his check up.  By the way, his path report was good, cancer
encapsulated, and the margins were clear.  His PSA prior to surgery was
6.3 with a Gleason of  6.
Sandy K. - 25 Feb 2005 15:29 GMT
> My husband, age 59, diabetic, (but controlled with diet and exercise), had
> a rlrp 5 weeks ago.  He is doing well now, after getting over some initial
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> encapsulated, and the margins were clear.  His PSA prior to surgery was
> 6.3 with a Gleason of  6.

Everyone reacts differently to the anesthesia.  For the longest time, I had
energy during the day, but found that I really needed a nap mid-day.  I
didn't return to work until week six, so I was still napping during week 5.
Once I went back to work, I found I was going to sleep earlier than my
ususal time, as I was so exhausted.  It takes time.

Good luck,
Sandy K.
makingprogress - 25 Feb 2005 15:58 GMT
Thanks!  We were getting worried because so many people returned to work so
soon after surgery, and said they were fine.He has only returned now, after
5 weeks, so he was discouraged.  He never expected it to be so difficult.
We feel more encouraged now.
David S. - 25 Feb 2005 17:19 GMT
I had RRP in 2003 and still have problems with fatigue.  My uro told me that
he has other patients that make the same complaint, but he could not really
tell me why I am experiencing this.  He did try to blame it on the
anesthesia.  I am 57 now, soon to be 58.

One of the group here did remind me that the prostate is a part of the
body's hormonal system, and that the "radical" in RRP stands for just what
it sound like, they just chop it out.  It takes time for the body to
reacclimate.  In my case this is unfortunately not the only part that I was
born with that is now missing.

Good luck to you and your husband.  Try to get him to walk for exercise, or
maybe start back into whatever activity he used to enjoy but gradually.  The
exercise will help.

> My husband, age 59, diabetic, (but controlled with diet and exercise), had
> a rlrp 5 weeks ago.  He is doing well now, after getting over some initial
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> encapsulated, and the margins were clear.  His PSA prior to surgery was
> 6.3 with a Gleason of  6.
ronju99 - 25 Feb 2005 18:40 GMT
You didn't say how long your husband was under anesthesia but it is hard on
his system. I had LRP 20mos. ago and still find my stamina is not what it
use to be. After a little hard work it seems like it takes a couple days
to recover. I seem to get sleepy about noon every day after the hard work.
I was under anesthesia for 10 1/2 hrs. which is quite long. Most having LRP
are usually under from 4 to 6 hrs.
c palmer - 25 Feb 2005 20:04 GMT
that is probably my biggest compliant - no energy.  after 22 months post
op, i still don't have the energy level i had before.  

what i've noticed is that i can wake up and fill full of energy for a
day's work, but when i'm just into the work, i'm tired and to keep
pushing it becomes a struggle to where i will have to rest and take a
nap.  after the nap, i get my second wind and can go again.  i didn't
have this problem before surgery, so i don't know if i just got old
overnight or it is part of the surgery.  

i just chalk it up to what my surgeon said, "your life will never be the
same"

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
I. P. Freely - 25 Feb 2005 21:04 GMT
You guys are having reactions to the anesthesia, not the surgery.  I've had
at least 8 surgeries, some more serious and one involving far more
disability than RP (a shoulder repair that left the shoulder useless for
months). More important than my anecdotal experience is that long-term
anesthesia reaction is well-documented, yet I have never heard of long term
disability from successful surgeries. There's no reason the removal of a
little meat should leave one fatigued past the immediate healing process. If
I were you guys I'd be researching and pressing my doctor on the "fix" for
anesthesia reaction/impairment. The only other implication I can think of is
that cancer is fatiguing, but most of us are "cured" in the sense that our
tumor mass was removed, and any micromets we have remaining would not, in
themselves, produce fatigue.

Curtis's surgeon was referring to the fact that we now have a new worry, and
ultimately further treatments with further effects, not to any long-term
fatigue from a simple (to our bodies) surgery. There's no way I'd accept
long-term fatigue as a direct effect of somebody slicing up some meat.

I.P.

> that is probably my biggest compliant - no energy.  after 22 months post
> op, i still don't have the energy level i had before.
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> i just chalk it up to what my surgeon said, "your life will never be the
> same"
smu53@aol.com - 26 Feb 2005 00:13 GMT
This energy thing is apparently very variable. I was "under" for about
3 hours. I felt pretty good when I woke up and wanted to go home. The
doctor wanted me to stay in case there was trouble, but there was none.
I went home the next day, and went back to work day 6. I was back to my
wsual energy level at about 2 wkeeks. I run or lift weights every day.
I thing regular exercise was a help. Each day I did a little more.
Steve U
ronbruce@gmail.com - 27 Feb 2005 08:09 GMT
I was 'under' for 189 minutes and had an Epidural in the spine which is
said to not cause as much side effects, but as a formerly enegetic
66yo, at 4 months later, I  get very tired mid afternoon and wonder if
I will ever get back to where I was physically.
I walk 1 to 3 ks every day and hope that will help.

Ronaldo
Steve Kramer - 26 Feb 2005 00:01 GMT
Welcome to the club neither you nor yours asked to join.  As you may have
seen, men with prostate cancer and the women who love them are all welcome
here.

He has had major surgery.  With RLRP, he has had less cutting, but
significant cutting nonetheless.  It takes awhile for the body to rebound.
It takes at least six weeks just to heal inside.  I wouldn't worry about
fatigue.

I would be a little concerned (just a little) about soreness, but if it is
sharper than soreness or in a place away from the operation, it can't hurt
to call his doc.

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3bN0M0
Seminal Vesicle involvement, Neg margins
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron 07/03 (1 mo) 8/03 (4 mo), 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05
PSA  .07 .05 .06 .05

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> My husband, age 59, diabetic, (but controlled with diet and exercise), had
> a rlrp 5 weeks ago.  He is doing well now, after getting over some initial
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> encapsulated, and the margins were clear.  His PSA prior to surgery was
> 6.3 with a Gleason of  6.

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