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Fear of cancer - if you get diagnosed with it

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Gut-Buster - 20 Feb 2005 20:29 GMT
I am not a church type nor a new age type either. I am not commenting on
medical issues.

I just want to point out, as most people fear the word "cancer" worse than
anything else in their lives, that the FEAR itself is actually a reason that
a lot of people with various sicknesses either get worse or take much longer
getting better.

So think about cancer and get over the fear. It isn't as easy as saying it
like that but it is something you HAVE to do in any case to make your
chances of recovery better than they would have been.

If you think you cannot get over that fear, then do like the Nike saying
says and "Just do it" because there are likely people and/or animals that
love you and will be devastated if you don't. Could you live or die knowing
you didn't try for them?
Olfart - 20 Feb 2005 20:57 GMT
> I am not a church type nor a new age type either. I am not commenting on
> medical issues.
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> love you and will be devastated if you don't. Could you live or die knowing
> you didn't try for them?

"Fear" of something is generally a result of ignorance of the subject.
Replacing "thinking" with "learning" will generally make a bitter pill
easier to digest
George
Age - 69
8/12/02 - PSA 3.7
10/13/03 - PSA 4.69
11/11/03 - PSA 4.8
11/18/03 - Biopsy - 10 cores
one core-25% of core-Gleason 4+4=8
all other cores benign tissue
12/10/03 - Consult - Oncologist MD
12/16/03 - Consult - Radiation Oncologist
Treatment Plan - Northeast Ga Cancer Center
HT - started 12/17/03 - Eulixen & Lupron (2nd 4 mo Lupron-4/26)
2/10/04 - Started - Flowmax and Megastrol
Radiation - IMRT to begin 3/30/04 - 42 treatments - Completed 6/8/04
No seeds due to Prostate problems
8/30/04 - 1 yr Viadur Implant instead of 4mo Lupron
1/14/05 - Removed implant - trying intermittant HT for a while.
Stephen Jordan - 20 Feb 2005 21:21 GMT
> So think about cancer and get over the fear. It isn't as easy as saying it
> like that but it is something you HAVE to do in any case to make your
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> love you and will be devastated if you don't. Could you live or die knowing
> you didn't try for them?

"Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear -- not absence of fear.
 Except a creature be part coward, it is not a compliment to say it is
brave."
--Samuel L. Clemens (Mark Twain)
Gut-Buster - 21 Feb 2005 11:32 GMT
>> So think about cancer and get over the fear. It isn't as easy as saying
>> it like that but it is something you HAVE to do in any case to make your
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> brave."
> --Samuel L. Clemens (Mark Twain)

What IS bravery? Today in Australia, a man was awarded a medal for bravery
for, last year, rescuing a person from a burning car. Many years back I
witnessed an accident just ahead of me and saw the front of the car that had
a head on with a truck smashed in, the truck driver jump out to inspect the
damage to the truck and the car roll into a ditch where no-one was present
but road workers would be working when they got in. So, I jump out of the
car, tell my wife to drive the car way past the accident in case it explodes
and I run to the car to see the guy behind the half a steering wheel left,
the part of his face under his nose to his mouth smashed to a pulp. I tried
to get the guy out but he started fighting me in his state, partially
conscious and totally senseless. I grabbed him and told him to raise his
arms and do it NOW or we will BOTH die when this car explodes. He seemed to
get that through the fog he must have been feeling and raised his arms. I
undid his seat belt, put my arms under his and pulled him up the rise of a
pile of dirt at the side of the road and then down the other side, whereupon
BOOM, the car goes up in flames. On my way towards the car, I could see fuel
leaking out and broken wiring arcing everywhere. I was sh.t scared, more
than I had been scared of anything in my adult life. Later, when the police
were interviewing me as the only person who had witnessed the accident, they
mentioned that it was lucky the car exploded. I asked why and he said if I
had have dragged the guy out and it didn't blow up BUT I had caused him more
damage, depending on the damage, if he had died, I would be sent to gaol. I
could also have been sued by him if he didn't die but it caused him other
damage. That was all that happened for me. I wasn't brave. I wasn't
attempting to be brave. I just did what came naturally. However, I did find
out what sort of adult male I was which was something I didn't know before
then.

Bravery is in the eye of the reporter or the person being "saved". If what I
did was supposed to be "bravery" then I can tell you, first hand, that
"bravery" is the feeling of being an adult NOT wanting to do what you are
running to do, asking yourself what the F*** you think you are doing,
feeling like crying like a 5 year old and still being able to work out what
to do through all that. If that's bravery, it wasn't what I thought it was!
Steve Kramer - 22 Feb 2005 00:39 GMT
> So, I jump out of the
> car, tell my wife to drive the car way past the accident in case it explodes
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> conscious and totally senseless. I grabbed him and told him to raise his
> arms and do it NOW or we will BOTH die when this car explodes.

I'd say that qualifies.
Gut-Buster - 23 Feb 2005 07:07 GMT
>> So, I jump out of the
>> car, tell my wife to drive the car way past the accident in case it
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>
> I'd say that qualifies.

I don't. One of my uncles who I never met was killed in WW2. He was given
the French equivalent of the Victoria Cross for holding a bridge on his own
against Germans trying to take it. Apparently he had run across the bridge
ahead of the advancing Germans with his unit and some of them were a bit
behind him so he hit the ground and with his Brenn gun waited for the rest
of his lot to cross then started shooting at the Germans. He held it for
about 30 minutes until reinforcements arrived, all on his own. He had
thought his unit was all there with him but they had long gone. He said he
wasn't being braved and near peed himself when he found out, according to my
father.
Steve Kramer - 24 Feb 2005 00:39 GMT
> I don't. One of my uncles who I never met was killed in WW2. He was given
> the French equivalent of the Victoria Cross for holding a bridge on his own
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> wasn't being braved and near peed himself when he found out, according to my
> father.

Brave too are those who take up arms against others who are armed.
John Loomis - 22 Feb 2005 02:29 GMT
Funny, how when you get scared...Cancer scares all of those without cancer.
It scares those with cancer, but they learn they can combat the disease.
Those without still stay scared.
So anyway, you have to be glad to be informed, and those without
cancer....should read more....
Those being treated are less scared than those without.
Dont be scared...Cancer is a part of life for many people.
Use your choice, pick a Dr. that can help you.
We never voted for cancer in our lives.......
Education is most important......
Be scared....it helps....It helps you search new ideas..that may help you.
Church and stuff don't help..
John Loomis
5 year recovery....RRP it could change......roll the dice.....
My best idea is to move ahead, walk a lot, work your butt off. and do not
worry.
>I am not a church type nor a new age type either. I am not commenting on
>medical issues.
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> love you and will be devastated if you don't. Could you live or die
> knowing you didn't try for them?
smu53@aol.com - 22 Feb 2005 23:11 GMT
John Lommis,
I have enjoyed many of your posts. You sound like a nice guy. I was
struck by your comment "Church and stuff don't help..". That is not
true for everybody. When I was waiting to be operated on, the comment
from family and friends that I found the most comfort in was when
people said "I'll pray for you." To me, God seems closer when I'm in
trouble.
Steve U

> Funny, how when you get scared...Cancer scares all of those without cancer.
> It scares those with cancer, but they learn they can combat the disease.
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> > says and "Just do it" because there are likely people and/or animals that
> > love you and will be devastated if you don't. Could you live or die

> > knowing you didn't try for them?
 
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