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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / February 2005the sun may change your gleason score
there was a news item that found that being out in the sun for a little as 15 minutes a day, could change the gleason score if you were to develop pca. scientists said that taking vitamins do not have the same effect as natural sunlight. ~ curtis knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc Curtis, I assume you mean it lowers the gleason? I couldn't find that much on-line. I wonder -- does that mean that people who have had frequent sun exposure tend to get less aggressive forms of PCa, or does it indicate that the sun can actually change the cells' differentiation, thus causing the damage of bad cells to reverse itself? Jennifer The sun creates and drives Vit D into our bodies, and vit D can affect PSA. Some say it helps PC, some say it helps the patient. ?? I.P. > Curtis, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Jennifer "jenniferb" <poca_hontas5@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message news:be97873a3a3e8151f312d1c51899cca0@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com... Curtis, I assume you mean it lowers the gleason? I couldn't find that much on-line. I wonder -- does that mean that people who have had frequent sun exposure tend to get less aggressive forms of PCa, or does it indicate that the sun can actually change the cells' differentiation, thus causing the damage of bad cells to reverse itself? Jennifer From: fuhgeddaboutit@noway.not (I.P. Freely) The sun creates and drives Vit D into our bodies, and vit D can affect PSA. Some say it helps PC, some say it helps the patient. ?? I.P. ============== to provide more information on this. the news item itself was only about 30 to 45 seconds long. but there is a different in the vitamin D to the body and prostate cancer. the scientists have found a relationship between vitamin D and the gleason score of pca. that men who were exposed to more sunlight had a lower gleason than those who worked indoors. what scientists have found out that is that it is better to have natural sunlight stimulate the body into making vitamin D instead of taking multi-vitamins because the multi-vitamins don't have the same benefit because of the excess calcium in them, which they felt aids the pca. i've known this for awhile in my studies, but forgot to mention this tid bit. it was just that the news item refreshed my memory and i felt it was information that folks could use, so i posted it. ~ curtis knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc You're getting past my knowledge base. I entered prostate vit d in Google and out came some good places to start your search. I.P. Curtis, I assume you mean it lowers the gleason? I couldn't find that much on-line. I wonder -- does that mean that people who have had frequent sun exposure tend to get less aggressive forms of PCa, or does it indicate that the sun can actually change the cells' differentiation, thus causing the damage of bad cells to reverse itself? Jennifer From: fuhgeddaboutit@noway.not (I.P. Freely) The sun creates and drives Vit D into our bodies, and vit D can affect PSA. Some say it helps PC, some say it helps the patient. There was a very in-depth discussion of vitamin D and PCa over on PPML last week (Feb 2005, week 2). Read to your heart's content about which metabolites are efficacious, how they are generated, destroyed, etc. etc...Best wishes and good health, Ron Sorry to divert the thread, and I trust it will be but a blip, but . . . I was on the PPML for a few months, and all I saw was one post every few days, usually dealing with topics we'd discussed at great length, burdened with a page or two of administrative stuff and caveats above and below the pony. I never quite got its purpose as a separate entity from this forum, especially since it operates at maybe 1/500 the pace we do. I bailed. Did I overlook something? I.P. > There was a very in-depth discussion of vitamin D and PCa over on PPML > last week (Feb 2005, week 2). > Sorry to divert the thread, and I trust it will be but a blip, but . . . I > was on the PPML for a few months, and all I saw was one post every few days, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Did I overlook something? I think so. I've followed that NG for a while, and found much useful information. I think that it and this NG supplement each other. Stick with it, IP. Now, when it comes to the "PHP" group founded by Don Cooley, I have a different view. The PHP site has much useful information. But it's also Cooley's personal ego-builder. I consider him to be a blowhard, a pompous windbag who will not hesitate to mount a vicious attack upon anyone who has the temerity to post a message that fails to comply with his personal prejudices. Also, he has recently started a site that is a ripoff of the P2P site, which requires posting of PCa Digests that are reviewed by medics such as Strum, Scholz, Lam and Barken. It's dangerous, IMO. And worse yet, he gives medical advice to newbies who know no better. He is not qualified to do so, being at best a talented amateur. Regards, Steve J __ "You must pay for conformity. All goes well as long as you run with conformists. But you, who are honest men in other particulars, know that there is alive somewhere a man whose honesty reaches to this point also, that he shall not kneel to false gods, and, on the day when you meet him, you sink into the class of counterfeits." -- Ralph Waldo Emerson They average a hundred and some posts per week in the PCa list. A significant number of people who are very knowledgeable post over there, including Dr. "Snuffy" Myers, Ralph Valle, even Dr. Hennenfent from time to time...Ron Here's Johns Hopkins' take on sunlight and PC: One study => protection from PC by promoting extra Vit D. PC deaths correlate highly with climactic uv levels . . . highest in the NE, lowest in the SW. A lab study => "physiological concentrations of the active form of vit D change PC cells so they are less likely to spread" That means sunlight or fortified milk, as tests are not done yet on the benefits of supplements. I.P. The problem with dairy products is that they also contain calcium which acts to remove vitamin D from the system, so natural sunlight is preferred...Best wishes and good health, Ron |
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