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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / February 2005Signature Change
Just a notice that my signature has changed. Yessir, that's a .05 at the end of my last string of PSAs. Got the results today.  SignatureProstate Cancer Survivor (so far), not a doctor PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3bN0M0 Seminal Vesicle involvement, Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron (1 mo) 07/21/2003 @ 48 PSA .07 .05 .06 .05 Lupron (4 mo) 8/03, 12/03, 4/04, 09/04, 01/05 non Illegitimi carborundum Fabulous, Steve!! May they all be that low from now on. Best......Heather > Just a notice that my signature has changed. > > Yessir, that's a .05 at the end of my last string of PSAs. Got the results > today. Good for you, Steve! Keep it up. Non Illegitimus carborundum!!!! SignatureJerryW jweindel at flash dot net 2/11/04 PSA 2.6, Suspicious DRE (age 62) 2/23/04 Biopsy: Gleason 3+4=7, T2a, left lobe 5/18/04 RRP, Path: Gleason 4+3=7, T2c, both lobes 7/13/04 PSA <0.1 10/12/04 PSA <0.1 1/18/05 PSA <0.1 > Just a notice that my signature has changed. > > Yessir, that's a .05 at the end of my last string of PSAs. Got the > results > today. SteveK, I'm happy to read your good news! SteveU Thanks, Steve. BUT, in every silver lining there seems to be a cloud. Had my annual physical Monday. Result of glycohemoglobin (diabetes test) was 6.0, upper limits of normal. I guess borderline diabetic. Getting set up for a dietary consult at local hospital. Time to get my eating and exercise habits back in shape. Oh well, if it isn't one thing......... SignatureJerryW jweindel at flash dot net 2/11/04 PSA 2.6, Suspicious DRE (age 62) 2/23/04 Biopsy: Gleason 3+4=7, T2a, left lobe 5/18/04 RRP, Path: Gleason 4+3=7, T2c, both lobes 7/13/04 PSA <0.1 10/12/04 PSA <0.1 1/18/05 PSA <0.1 > SteveK, > I'm happy to read your good news! > SteveU Jerry, being 3 mos post-RP I try to "lurk" this ng everyday and can relate to a bunch of the discussions - however, quite frankly I don't understand a lot of the numbers that you folks are talking about - but, I am going to take a few of the "signatures" of this group in with me to my appt in 2 weeks with my crotch sturgeon and ask him to help me create mine. However, at the same time my new primary doc told me I could be dying of PC he also told me that I am Type II diabetic because my sugar was 114 (fasted) at 10 am in the same blood test... arg. and, wanted me to enroll in one of those classes at a diabetic clinic. (I guess he was pretty confident that I was gonna git over the "little" issue of PC - (lol) I priced those classes out (ouch - not covered by my insurance) and thought I'd buy an Ultra One-Touch first. Poked myself a bunch of times each day for a week or so just to get an idea of how sugar levels go up and down after each meal... and, found that first thing in the morning I was only 88 - 94... Arg.. I can't find anybody (other than my doc) that suggests that that number is close to Type II diabetic... What is this gycohemoglobin test you are talking about??? (I'm sure I should be asking this on another ng, someplace - but, seeing how you mentioned it - I though I would ask...) "Oh, well, if it isn't one thing....." (I don't know if you recall my first post a couple months ago, but the reason I LIFE SAVINGLY and FORTUNATELY changed primary docs 5 months ago (now) is because my "old" doc wouldn't work with me on this horribly painful lower back... Well, I just had the MRI - and, yep - they are hinting at fusion... arg... However, I'm really going to be taking my time on "this" decision... I just can't visualize a sore belly, sore back - and, NO SUGAR all at the same time. lol) Paul 63 years old 09/04 - PSA 10.4 - Gleason 7 (will find out the split and location, and new PSA next week) 11/04 - RP - said they "got it" - spared left (or, right - forget which) nerves 2/05 - sore belly inside and out - no pee problems (standing or sitting) - no erections (yet) - back to pretty vigorous exercise (light crunches) - kinda depressed about the obvious onset of "old age" - arg... Paul, Yes, I do recall your earlier post on this newsgroup. I don't know which numbers are confusing you, but here is what my signature means. On 2/11/04 I had a PSA of 2.6, but my primary doc felt a suspicious lump while doing a digital rectal exam (DRE). I was 62 at the time. I had a biopsy on 2/23 which showed prostate cancer (PCa), with Gleason score of 3+4, or 7 total. The staging was T2a, that is a cancer palpable by digital exam (T2) and presumably confined to one lobe (a). I had a radical retropubic prostatectomy (RRP) on 5/18, and the pathology results indicated a Gleason 4+3=7 tumor (upgraded from the biopsy reading), that was present in both lobes (T2c). This is also sometimes indicated by T2b. I've had three PSA test since my surgery, and all three have been <.01, or undetectable using the type of testing done by the Lab my urologist uses. In answer to your question about the glycohemoglobin test, I'm new to this whole pre-diabetic thing, but my understanding is that it is a blood test that measures the glucose levels over a period of time. This is different from the glucose test to measure your present blood sugar level before you eat, after, etc. The result of this test, I believe, is expressed in a percentage, with under 6.0 being normal. My result came back 6.0, which my doctor indicated was the high end of normal. I have not yet been diagnosed with diabetes. Presumably, I can prevent or delay the onset of Type II diabetes with proper diet and exercise. Again, I know next to nothing about these tests and about diabetes generally. I think I'm going to be learning a lot more about it, though. I'm sure there are more knowledgeable people on this ng who will be able to expand upon or clarify or correct what I've said. I know there are several diabetics on here. And, I'm sure there are excellent neswgroups dedicated to the subject. By the way, I'm 9 months out from my surgery, now and I haven't had a sore belly for quite awhile, so I'm sure that nuisance will go away soon. I wasn't doing any crunches, light or otherwise, though, while my belly was sore. Sorry about the back, though...that, I know, can be a REAL and persistent pain. SignatureJerryW jweindel at flash dot net 2/11/04 PSA 2.6, Suspicious DRE (age 62) 2/23/04 Biopsy: Gleason 3+4=7, T2a, left lobe 5/18/04 RRP, Path: Gleason 4+3=7, T2c, both lobes 7/13/04 PSA <0.1 10/12/04 PSA <0.1 1/18/05 PSA <0.1 > Jerry, being 3 mos post-RP I try to "lurk" this ng everyday and can relate > to a bunch of the discussions - however, quite frankly I don't understand [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > no erections (yet) - back to pretty vigorous exercise (light crunches) - > kinda depressed about the obvious onset of "old age" - arg... Ref: Type II dibetes: If your fasting AM blood test is less than 120 that is good. The blood test that is taken by the Dr. is a way of getting an idea of how blood sugar is used across time (3 or more months). If it is around 6 that is great. One real test that show if your pancreas is processing sugar correctly is the insulin resistance test. It involves drinking a sickening sweet concoction and getting a blood draw every 30 min or so the next several hours. From that it can be shown how sugar is doing and is a good way to diagnosis Type II. I currently test my blood once a day in the morning. Take Avandamet once a day. Blood sugar averages 85-95. Blood test has been under 7 the last several tests. Lurker replying to your diabetis questions. 114 is a little high for fasting but those 80's aren't. I'd ask what you ate the night before your blood sugar test? They don't usually say diabetic until you hit a 120 - 140 fasting blood sugar. I'd ask to have the test redone and show him your home monitor readings. (Just write them down on a piece of paper.) But they keep changing the rules for us. They used to say a BP of 120/80 was normal now they want it lower than that. Pay attention to what you are eating. All that added sugar in our American diet is not good for anyone. And oh, does the sugar lurk in the strangest places! Check with your local health department. The dietician at the health dept. will be able to help you for free! Ours here even does a grocery store class at the local supermarket where you walk through and they point out how to read the labels what is good and what is not and what the dietary limits are, etc. (It's very interesting and very informative.) And also with your local hospital(s) to see if they have classes - the classes there should be free, too. Bev > Jerry, being 3 mos post-RP I try to "lurk" this ng everyday and can relate > to a bunch of the discussions - however, quite frankly I don't understand a [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > no erections (yet) - back to pretty vigorous exercise (light crunches) - > kinda depressed about the obvious onset of "old age" - arg... Thanks, folks.... I'll have my doc include a glycohemoglobin test next week when I'm scheduled to have another PSA and cholesterol blood test just to get him off my back (or, on my back) about this Type II thing. Bev, I did think about what I ate (and, "drank") the night before - and, it never seemed to affect my sugar level in the morning. I always attributed my higher sugar reading in the docs office to them being later in the am - and, because I was probably a little stressed about having 9 gallons of blood drawn for such a little test... (lol) But, like a dummy I never did wait until 10 am to take a fasting test at home with my One-Touch... I will tomorrow... AND, I have been reading labels and watching what I eat like a hawk ever since my new doc gave me my first blood test 5 months ago and found I had: high cholesterol (230 - down to 123 in 4 weeks with diet and 10 mg Lipitor - taking only 5mg, now), high blood pressure (140/95 - down to 125/80 in 4 weeks with exercise), high sugar (I'm watching my sugar intake and we're arm wrestling over this one right now) and HIGH PSA 10.4 (down to virtually zero in 3 hours on 11/12/05 - lol.) I don't drink pop anymore, I drink only reduced sugar orange juice and 0% fat milk, no ice cream, cakes, sweets, cookies or anything with saturated fat... Oatmeal every morning with just fruit - no sugar or milk.. Trying to be a good kid... (lol) Should have YEARS AGO... AND, I FLOSS... lol Paul Just great Steve! Ron > Just a notice that my signature has changed. > > Yessir, that's a .05 at the end of my last string of PSAs. Got the results > today. Seems like good news to me Steve... I think you can be allowed to have a martini or whatever...make it stirred not shaken, ok.....LOL Dale j. SignatureEmail: dalej2@mac.com Wow, That is great news Steve. Best wishes, Dave P. > Just a notice that my signature has changed. > > Yessir, that's a .05 at the end of my last string of PSAs. Got the > results > today. don't post the attaboys that much, Steve, but in this case I'll make the exception. you're deserving of the good news, and i'm so happy for you. i'm raising a heaty brew to Steve, toasting his results and praying for continued health!!! jh > Just a notice that my signature has changed. > > Yessir, that's a .05 at the end of my last string of PSAs. Got the > results > today. Ya, HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Good wishes Steve..... John Loomis > Just a notice that my signature has changed. > > Yessir, that's a .05 at the end of my last string of PSAs. Got the > results > today. Fantastic!!! Bev > Just a notice that my signature has changed. > > Yessir, that's a .05 at the end of my last string of PSAs. Got the results > today. > Just a notice that my signature has changed. > > Yessir, that's a .05 at the end of my last string of PSAs. Got the results > today. I like it! That is good news, indeed. JohnG HOOOOOOOO RAYYYYYYYY!! Great news, Steve!! Hope you are celebrating! MikeH > Just a notice that my signature has changed. > > Yessir, that's a .05 at the end of my last string of PSAs. Got the > results > today. Congratulations Steve. Low score wins in this game. jimhoney > Just a notice that my signature has changed. > > Yessir, that's a .05 at the end of my last string of PSAs. Got the results > today. Congratulations to the membership chairman! David S. > Just a notice that my signature has changed. > > Yessir, that's a .05 at the end of my last string of PSAs. Got the results > today. Woohoooo, Go Steve! Congratulations and may your PSA stay so low from now on. Dwight > Just a notice that my signature has changed. > > Yessir, that's a .05 at the end of my last string of PSAs. Got the results > today. God bless you Steve, keep e'm comming like that. Tom > Woohoooo, Go Steve! > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > results > > today. Steve Your PSA's been there before. It may travel like a sine wave. The 0.0x numbers are really good :). If I may be so rude, what area of your body is being treated by the Lupron, seeing you had an RRP? -- Reader to complete... -- Please reply to this ng as my email adress is fake: -- Regards -- CC Rude? That's what we're here for. Lupron is an androgen deprivation therapy. My bills say "chemotherapy", but it's not chemo in the way you and I perceive chemo. It is a chemical therapy that causes your body to think that you have enough testosterone, so your testicles simply don't produce testosterone. Without testosterone, the PCa cells, wherever they might be, are starved to death or to hibernation. SignatureProstate Cancer Survivor (so far), not a doctor PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3bN0M0 Seminal Vesicle involvement, Neg margins PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron (1 mo) 07/21/2003 @ 48 PSA .07 .05 .06 .05 Lupron (4 mo) 8/03 (48), 12/03, 4/04 (49), 09/04 (50), 01/05 non Illegitimi carborundum > Steve > Your PSA's been there before. It may travel like a sine wave. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > -- CC >Rude? That's what we're here for. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >your testicles simply don't produce testosterone. Without testosterone, the >PCa cells, wherever they might be, are starved to death or to hibernation. I'm on the same thing "Lucrin" = "Lupron", only mine is up front to shrink the gland (from 72cc) prior to Rad and also lower the PSA e.g. 21.0---->2.1-----0.45 in 12 wks. Testosterone has also gone to < Castration levels. -- Reader to complete... -- Please reply to this ng as my email adress is fake: -- Regards -- CC Steve Your PSA's been there before. It may travel like a sine wave. The 0.0x numbers are really good :). If I may be so rude, what area of your body is being treated by the Lupron, seeing you had an RRP? -- Reader to complete... -- Please reply to this ng as my email adress is fake: -- Regards -- CC Steve that's just wonderful news. Here's to many more! JohnA |
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