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follow-up; should you get 2 PSA tests before biopsy decision?

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smoke_dc@yahoo.com - 07 Feb 2005 18:47 GMT
One year ago, I came to this group for information and advice after my
PSA came back at 4.6. I was 49 years old. I learned a lot from people
on this group.

A biopsy last year was negative. I was lucky and I'm thankful.

I had a follow-up PSA late month and the result was a PSA of 2.6. Four
years ago my PSA was 2.7. The latest results were good news, of course,
but it did surprised me.

When I received the 4.6 last year my doctor didn't see the need for a
second PSA to confirm the result. He said the PSA test are usually
accurate and so I had the biopsy. So in light my most recent test, I
have to wonder about the reliability of PSA test that I had one year
ago. I realize one person's experience is just that, but I just wanted
to share this.

Best to all.

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Several years ago my doctor started me on AndroGel. There were good
reasons for this. The testosterone made a huge difference in life and I
have
no
regrets about it. I think.

My PSA level was 2.7 about two years ago. A recent test put my PSA at
4.6, so now I'm scheduled for a prostate biopsy. There are no
symptoms, no enlargement, and the doctor says he can't detect
anything. The only evidence of a problem is the PSA. I'm 49.

I am curious about whether other Angrogel users on this list have
seen elevated PSA readings. Androgel says it has seen an  incidence of
1.5%
of elevated, above 4, PSA levels but no problems.

One other question -- the decision to have the biopsy was based on one
PSA
test. I asked the doctor whether a second test is needed to confirm the

results, but he didn't think that was necessary, especially since there
was
no enlargement or lump.

Do people typically have one or two PSA tests before a biopsy decision
is
made?

Cheers.
c palmer - 07 Feb 2005 21:49 GMT
i think people forget about validity and reliable or what is called V
and R of a test.  is a test valid and measure what it's suppose to?  and
once it passes that standard,  the second question comes into play.  is
that test reliable?  if the answer is yes to both, then you have a tool
that can be used in terms of assessment.

but just because a test comes back high doesn't mean that something's
wrong with the test.  it means it did it's job and detected a higher
level of psa.   now, why?

as i read your previous post, nowhere did i see where your doctor put
you on any form of antibiotics before running the test again BEFORE
requesting you to have a biopsy.  if he had done so, the numbers may
have reflected that as the source of the elevated psa.  

as you have noticed from all the posts, once you have pca, your psa will
never go back down.  your psa will go up and down is reference to a
prostate infection but the pca cells will pump out a constant amount of
psa and continue to increase depending on the gleason score.

you ask about the need for a second psa test before a biopsy.  i would
have to agree.  in fact, this is what they did to me.  my psa was 5.8
and they put me on two weeks of antibiotics, then ran the test.  it
dropped to 4.7 and then they sent me to urology for the biopsy.

 if you can't trust the psa test, then what's out there that you can
trust?  we only have two major tools that are being used.  the DRE and
the psa test.  short of opening you up and looking at the prostate
itself, it's a game of chance until they know for sure.  

i'm glad that the biopsy came back negative and that you are doing well
and appreciate the feedback.  you are far ahead of the game than i was
at your age. and be being aware of what could happen to the prostate
also puts you way ahead.  

best wishes to you.

~ curtis

knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional    
"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
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Danny McCarty - 08 Feb 2005 22:46 GMT
>Subject: Re: follow-up; should you get 2 PSA tests before biopsy decision?
>From: PALMER_ENT@webtv.net  (c palmer)
>Date: 2/7/2005 3:49 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <27198-4207E280-49@storefull-3316.bay.webtv.net>

Yes, PSA can be elevated because of infection of the prostate or because of
BPE, benign enlargement.  echosonogram can see the prostate, and antibacterials
can eliminate the high PSA if it is harmless.  I feel that 2.6 is a bit too
high and you ought to get somewhat more frequent blood draws, but it still
looks good.
>i think people forget about validity and reliable or what is called V
>and R of a test.  is a test valid and measure what it's suppose to?  and
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>invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
>http://community.webtv.net/PALMER_ENT/doc
dale.j. - 09 Feb 2005 00:35 GMT

> >Subject: Re: follow-up; should you get 2 PSA tests before biopsy decision?
I got two plus the PSA II before the biopsy.  My doc highly recommended
a biopsy after the series of PSA tests over a few months.  If you have
confidence in your doc then follow his recommendations, otherwise find
another.

dj

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