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> In the study, dosages of phenoxodiol ranging from 200mg to 400mg
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> disease progression.
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> > In the study, dosages of phenoxodiol ranging from 200mg to 400mg
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> if it will be possible to get this drug or participate in any
> upcoming trial.
Me too, I think they're small cohorts, but you would have to check each trial
at various locations.
Isn't lowering the PSA tricking a person into thinking their cancer is gone.
I think I just saw a recent post saying that just because the PSA isn't
elevated, doesn't mean the person doesn't have prostate cancer?
These are early phase trials. Phase II/III measure for toxicity, right?
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct/gui/show/NCT00022295
Phenoxodiol in Treating Patients With Refractory Solid Tumors
This study is currently recruiting patients.
Phase I trial to study the effectiveness of phenoxodiol in treating patients
who have refractory solid tumors.
PROJECTED ACCRUAL: Approximately 18-36 patients will be accrued for this
study.
Record last reviewed: September 2001
http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct/gui/show/NCT00091377
Phenoxodiol Combined With Either Cisplatin or Paclitaxel in Treating Patients
With Recurrent Late-Stage Ovarian Epithelial, Fallopian Tube, or Primary
Peritoneal Cancer
This study is currently recruiting patients.
Randomized phase I/II trial to compare the effectiveness of combining
phenoxodiol with either cisplatin or paclitaxel in treating patients who have
recurrent late-stage ovarian epithelial cancer, fallopian tube cancer, or
primary peritoneal cancer that has not responded to treatment with drugs such
as paclitaxel, docetaxel, cisplatin, or carboplatin.
http://psa-rising.com/med/chemo/phenoxodiol04.htm
Oral phenoxodiol reported to slow disease progression in late stage prostate
cancer patients
http://www.news-medical.net/?id=7531
Phenoxodiol gets fast track status for its intended use in patients with
hormone-refractory prostate cancer
Posted By: News-Medical in Pharmaceutical News
Published: Wednesday, 26-Jan-2005
The successful application for fast track status was based on data derived in
a Phase Ib/IIa study, conducted in two Australian hospitals, in which men
with late stage HRPC were treated with the oral dosage form of phenoxodiol as
a monotherapy.
J
Stephen Jordan - 30 Jan 2005 20:45 GMT
On January 30, J wrote, in pertinent part:
> Isn't lowering the PSA tricking a person into thinking their cancer is gone.
I would hope that our medics are above such chicanery.
> I think I just saw a recent post saying that just because the PSA isn't
> elevated, doesn't mean the person doesn't have prostate cancer?
Dunno about other posts, but it is a fact that low PSA does not
necessarily mean no or minimal PCa. The more advanced the tumor, the
less "differentiated" are the cells, and the less PSA they manufacture.
My case is illustrative. My first biopsy diagnosed a Gleason 9, yes,
*nine* tumor in *five of six specimens* from one side of my prostate.
But my PSA, while elevated at 5.7, was not terribly high. There was
little correlation between PSA level and the state of my cancer. I won't
go into the implications here. Suffice to say that my case is very
high-risk.
So what to do? I recommend tracking PSADT and PSAV (doubling time and
velocity), plus, of course, DRE's.
Regards,
Steve J
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Alan Meyer - 30 Jan 2005 21:19 GMT
> ...
> Isn't lowering the PSA tricking a person into thinking their cancer is gone.
> I think I just saw a recent post saying that just because the PSA isn't
> elevated, doesn't mean the person doesn't have prostate cancer?
Good question. The report quoted by Curtis said, "Most of the patients
remain on phenoxodiol therapy for periods up to 18 months without
evidence of disease progression."
Does that mean that no PSA evidence, or no evidence at all?
I'm guessing the latter. I thought I read somewhere that men typically
die 12 months after HT failure. So if the majority of these patients
have no evidence of disease progression at 18 months, that really
means they're doing well, not just lowering their PSA.
But I'm no authority on that.
> These are early phase trials. Phase II/III measure for toxicity, right?
No, Phase I tests for dosage and toxicity. Phase II tests for efficacy.
Phase III tests larger scale application.
I see why I didn't find these trials on cancer.gov. The first is a trial for
"unspecified adult solid tumor" - which means that prostate cancer and
other cancers qualify. I needed to do a broader search than I did.
Others are not in the U.S., or not related to prostate cancer.
Thanks for posting these.
Alan
> http://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct/gui/show/NCT00022295
> Phenoxodiol in Treating Patients With Refractory Solid Tumors
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> J
J - 30 Jan 2005 21:54 GMT
> > These are early phase trials. Phase II/III measure for toxicity, right?
>
> No, Phase I tests for dosage and toxicity. Phase II tests for efficacy.
> Phase III tests larger scale application.
In Phase I trials, researchers test a experimental drug or treatment in a small
group of people (20-80) for the first time to evaluate its safety, determine a safe
dosage range, and identify side effects.
In Phase II trials, the experimental study drug or treatment is given to a larger
group of people (100-300) to see if it is effective and to further evaluate its
safety. (Note from me: they switch words here from toxicity to "further evaluate
safety").
In Phase III trials, the experimental study drug or treatment is given to large
groups of people (1,000-3,000) to confirm its effectiveness, monitor side effects,
compare it to commonly used treatments, and collect information that will allow the
experimental drug or treatment to be used safely.
In Phase IV trials, post marketing studies delineate additional information
including the drug's risks, benefits, and optimal use.
So they're still looking for "safety" even in Phase IV
I don't start doing "rah rah's" until after a Phase III shows good results. And/or
we can obtain more details about how many dropped out, passed away (from cancer or
other causes), etc.
> I see why I didn't find these trials on cancer.gov. The first is a trial for
> "unspecified adult solid tumor" - which means that prostate cancer and
> other cancers qualify. I needed to do a broader search than I did.
I will watch with interest,
Thanks Alan,
J