Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
Home
Discussion Groups
General
GeneralCardiologyVisionDentistryPharmacyLaboratoryNutritionAlternative
Diseases and Disorders
AIDSAlzheimer'sArthritisAsthmaCancerBreast CancerDiabetesEpilepsyGlaucomaHepatitisHerpesLupusProstate BPHProstate CancerProstatitisSinusitisTinnitus

Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / December 2004

Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

After Surgery Update!

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
Bob Anthony - 18 Dec 2004 18:26 GMT
Hi All!

I lived through the robotic laparoscopic surgery that I had on the 12/14/04!
I was diagnosed before surgery as a T1c, 3+3, with a PSA of 7.6 in August
04.
After the surgery the numbers are T2c, 4+3, not sure of pre-op PSA...I will
find that out 12/20. (I forgot to ask at the time I was in the hospital
because it was just over night). PSA after surgery is immeasurable so the
doc said, and a follow up PSA in 3 months.
Organ confined is yes.
No seminal vesicle involvement.
No lymph node involvement.
I had both nerves spared.
My surgeon said that the op went very well and the catheter will come out
12/20 after doing a cystogram first just to check.
Over all, the catheter is a pain, as well as some abdominal discomfort, but
I guess this is to be expected after having surgery just a few days ago. I
am slowly getting some of my appetite back, but not ready for the Outback
Steakhouse just yet.
I guess I need some of your thoughts as to how I did, and maybe what I can
expect too or any other ideas, suggestions or advice. I'm concerned about
reoccurrence of course, and the risk levels associated with my numbers.
Thanks to all!

Signature

Bob Anthony

Alan Meyer - 18 Dec 2004 19:15 GMT
> Hi All!
>
> I lived through the robotic laparoscopic surgery that I had on the 12/14/04!

Congratulations!  The worst part is now behind you.

> I was diagnosed before surgery as a T1c, 3+3, with a PSA of 7.6 in August
> 04.
> After the surgery the numbers are T2c, 4+3, not sure of pre-op PSA.
...
> ... I'm concerned about
> reoccurrence of course, and the risk levels associated with my numbers.

You can't help but be concerned, but I think your chances are still good
in spite of the new numbers.

A _lot_ of the people diagnosed as T1c, 3+3 are in fact T2c and
Gleason=7.  That was my own case.  My first diagnosis was the same as
yours, and my second opinion, done by people I think highly of at
the National Cancer Institute (I work there as a computer programmer),
was the same as what you got after surgery.  Underdiagnosis seems
to be very, very common.

I had radiation instead of surgery.  I'm certainly not out of the
woods yet and my PSA is far from undetectable but (knocking
furiously on wood) I'm cautiously optimistic.

   Alan
Leonard Evens - 18 Dec 2004 20:05 GMT
>>Hi All!
>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> A _lot_ of the people diagnosed as T1c, 3+3 are in fact T2c and
> Gleason=7.  

The pathological stage, as determined in postsurgical pathology, must be
at least T2a.  T1c only refers to a presurgical staging and means
nothing was detectable on DRE.  With the whole prostate available, the
pathologist can see where the cancer is.  T2a means it is just on one
side.  There are two different schemes for the case where it is on both
sides.  An earlier classification distinguished T2b and T2c, but I
believe that has now been simplified to just T2b.  But some pathologists
still use the older classificatory scheme.   It is extremely common to
find cancer in both lobes of the prostate in postsurgical pathology.  So
there is no special significance to the T2c pathological staging.

It is also not uncommon for the Gleason score to go up in postsurgical
pathology, but of course it would have been better if it hadn't.

> That was my own case.  My first diagnosis was the same as
> yours, and my second opinion, done by people I think highly of at
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
>     Alan
frankB - 18 Dec 2004 20:48 GMT
> Hi All!
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> reoccurrence of course, and the risk levels associated with my numbers.
> Thanks to all!

Hi Bob

Glad everything OK. I had an RRP so I'm not sure if my after effects were
the same as you might expect. Aside from the slight discomfort from the
incision the only pain I had was in the perineum(sp?). That lasted a few
weeks gradually diminishing.  Also I thought I had somehow contracted
hemorrhoids! I had a hard time being comfortable sitting. Using a ring
pillow helped and that too slowly went away. I had no trouble moving my
bowels the whole time.

As for the foley, it was a pain but the discomfort was minimal. You'll come
to find the most comfortable way to attach the tubing. Be sure that it is
secure, either with tape or elastic straps, other wise it will become a
problem. Empty it frequently. I would disconnect the bag when I took a
shower but my daughter, a nurse, said that was not a good idea as the end of
the tube should be sterile. I don't know about that but I told her I
wouldn't (but I did).

I'm sure you will get a lot more help from the other guys, but that's a
start. Good luck and don't get discouraged! You're in a lot better condition
than you were before.

Frank
I.P. Freely - 19 Dec 2004 02:45 GMT
My post-op discharge nurse got angry when I asked about showering with the
urine collection system opened to the atmosphere. She demanded that I plug
it or leave it intact . . . whatever it takes to maintain a closed system.

I.P.

> I would disconnect the bag when I took a
> shower but my daughter, a nurse, said that was not a good idea as the end of
> the tube should be sterile. I don't know about that but I told her I
> wouldn't (but I did).
Richard - 18 Dec 2004 22:20 GMT
Congrats on having the worst behind you!  I had an RP in 1/03.  My Gleason
was 3+3, psa 8, T1c.  Post-RP path. showed 3+4, stage T3 (some extracapsular
extension but got clean margins).

So far my PSA is undetectable, I feel great, and no incontinence to speak
of.  I work out more and eat better now than pre-RP.

Your numbers and other data sound real good.  One thing to confirm is if
your post-path Gleason score is 4+3 or 3+4.  Since the first number is the
predominant cell pattern, I would be surprised if a 3+3 became 4+3, unless
there is disagreement on the predominant pattern.  A 3+3 commonly becomes
3+4 after surgery.  A 3+4 has a lower recurrence rate than a 4+3.  So you
might want to double check, or even have the hospital ship some pathology
slides out to a good outside pathologist for a second opinion if there is
lack of agreement (I did).

The Foley Cath is the worst part; you will be a happy guy the day you get it
out!  I had bladder spasms, some abdominal pain, and some constipation for a
week or two.  After they took the Foley out, I felt much better.

I found over the next few months I rapidly improved my energy level, and
over several months my body gradually returned to normal.

As for risk of recurrence, it is never zero; confirming the correct Gleason
score and talking to your surgeon will help clarify the risk.  You will
adjust to that, although most of us still get a little stressed waiting for
the results of the PSA test every 6 months.  We adjust to it.

> Hi All!
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> reoccurrence of course, and the risk levels associated with my numbers.
> Thanks to all!
Bob Anthony - 19 Dec 2004 00:33 GMT
PS: Anyone experience a slight swelling from the incision are from where
they took out the prostate? It is about 2 inches with some firmness and
tenderness underneath. My brother in law is a doctor and he checked it out
today. I am worried that it is a hernia caused by the incision, but he said
that is not the case. Just swelling and it is normal.

Signature

Bob Anthony / R A P Marketing Services

Rob Constable - 20 Dec 2004 19:56 GMT
I remember having a little swelling early on, that just went away. The
other thing I remember is feeling a whole bunch of pings and pangs for
a few weeks while I was walking that had me wondering about hernias,
but it all turned out to being me just being very sensitive to what was
going on down there... Hopefully same boat for you..

Prostate Cancer Survivor (That is the Plan -:))
PSA 3.64 3/17/2004 @ 45
Biopsy 4/01/2004 G6 (3+3), T1c
RRP 7/15/2004
Post-op Pathology G6(3+3), T3cN0M0
%15 of Prostate involved
Positive margin at Apicular end  
PSA .0
I.P. Freely - 20 Dec 2004 20:05 GMT
I had twinges of discomfort and/or pain for over a year after hernia surgery
years ago. The doc said it's expected, that it's just scar tissue getting
tugged and tweaked.

I.P.

> I remember having a little swelling early on, that just went away. The
> other thing I remember is feeling a whole bunch of pings and pangs for
> a few weeks while I was walking that had me wondering about hernias,
> but it all turned out to being me just being very sensitive to what was
> going on down there... Hopefully same boat for you..
Steve Kramer - 21 Dec 2004 18:29 GMT
Welcome to the club, Rob.  Looks like you had a good doc, catching it at 45
with less than a 4 PSA.

Signature

Prostate Cancer Survivor (so far), not a doctor
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3bN0M0
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron (1 mo) 07/21/2003 @ 48
PSA  .07 .05 .06
Lupron (3 mo) 8/03 (48), 12/03, 4/04 (49), 09/04 (50)
non Illegitimi carborundum

> I remember having a little swelling early on, that just went away. The
> other thing I remember is feeling a whole bunch of pings and pangs for
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Positive margin at Apicular end
> PSA .0
Mike - 22 Dec 2004 04:13 GMT
Steve,
Had my RRP surgery on 11/10.  After a few tough weeks post op, I'm doing
very well.  I would like to add to your comment regarding kudos to Rob's
Doc.  I am 47 years old with a PSA prior to surgery of 1.7.  My psa of a
year ago was running between 2.3 and 2.6.  My uro thought even that was too
high for a 46 year old.  After 3 biopsies spaced 3 months apart, cancer was
found.  Gleason of 6 (3 + 3) and pathology confirmed same gleason score and
pT2c stage.

Some doctors today, especially the younger ones do not use the standard 4.0
ng/ml as a rule.  Its a great thing when a doctor discovers cancer before
any symptoms can show up.

> Welcome to the club, Rob.  Looks like you had a good doc, catching it at
> 45
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>> Positive margin at Apicular end
>> PSA .0
Rob Constable - 22 Dec 2004 15:14 GMT
Thanks Steve. My other set of circumstances that I didn't mention in my
tag line that helped the doc make sure he was sensitive to it is that
my father died of Prostate Cancer in 2000, and my younger brother (2
years younger) had an RRP when he was 40, so the biopsy results were
not much of a surprise.
Prostate Cancer Survivor (That is the Plan -:))
PSA 3.64 3/17/2004 @ 45
Biopsy 4/01/2004 G6 (3+3), T1c
RRP 7/15/2004
Post-op Pathology G6(3+3), T3cN0M0
%15 of Prostate involved
Positive margin at Apicular end
PSA .0
Steve Kramer - 20 Dec 2004 01:03 GMT
You came through it with good grades.  Those "contained" and "negative
involvement" statements are everything you wanted to know.  Stage and
Gleason scores are important ofr treatment decisions, but those other two
are you most important information after surgery.

Congratulations.  You got a hell of a chance of a cure.

Signature

Prostate Cancer Survivor (so far), not a doctor
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3bN0M0
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron (1 mo) 07/21/2003 @ 48
PSA  .07 .05 .06
Lupron (3 mo) 8/03 (48), 12/03, 4/04 (49), 09/04 (50)
non Illegitimi carborundum

> Hi All!
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> reoccurrence of course, and the risk levels associated with my numbers.
> Thanks to all!
ButtercupsDad@dog.net - 20 Dec 2004 20:50 GMT
With your path report I would not think too much about reoccurrence.
Guess you had the catheter out today.  Do not be surprised if you leak
for the first few days.  Most here seem to dry up within the first few
weeks.  Depends Guards worked best for me.  I did not like the briefs
because they made me sweat.  Also, the Guards can be changed without
taking off your pants.  A big advantage when going back to work.

For exercise most here will probably advise just plain walking.  Work
up slowly of course.  Watch the lifting.  They tell me that it takes a
lot longer for things to heal up inside the body, so you do not want
to put strain on anything in there.

Good luck to you.

Thank you.
David S.

>Hi All!
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>reoccurrence of course, and the risk levels associated with my numbers.
>Thanks to all!
 
Sign In
Join
My Latest Posts
My Monitored Threads
My Blog
My Photo Gallery
My Profile
My Homepage

Start New Thread
Enable EMail Alerts
Rate this Thread



©2008 Advenet LLC   Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.