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OT?  Colon Cancer

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Steve Kramer - 30 Nov 2004 19:41 GMT
IP, and anyone else....

My cousin was just dx'd with colon cancer (I think my family only has a
couple of cancers left to be dx'd with).  He had a colonoscopy just before
Thanksgiving.  Asymptomatic.  Polyps found that were "large".  He found
today that 5 were cancerous.

That's all I know.

I was wondering if anyone can give me a quick skinny on colon cancer
probabilities.  I won't have time to research for a week or more.

Damn!  What a miserable f-------------- year!

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jimhoney - 30 Nov 2004 20:24 GMT
I believe the lifetime chance of colon cancer is less than 7 percent.

jimhoney

> IP, and anyone else....
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> Damn!  What a miserable f-------------- year!
I.P. Freely - 30 Nov 2004 21:27 GMT
There are several types of colon cancer, from slow to aggressive. I've read
about just mine: carcinoid tumor, quite rare among colon tumors. With any
luck his will be operable (we can spare a lot of colon) and completely
curable. The biggest question, probably, is that of metastasis.

My wife hears you on the miserable f------ year. She lost her Dad this
summer, her Mom is on her death bed, and now we learn that I may go from
athlete to toast within the decade. Ironic, given that some of my sports and
hobbies are dangerous and I switched to a very healthy eating habits 20
years ago, that two unpreventable problems threaten to cut so much from my
life. Mine is the first cancer I know of in my bloodline, so it took her by
surprise.

I.P.

> IP, and anyone else....
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> Damn!  What a miserable f-------------- year!
Steve Kramer - 01 Dec 2004 01:37 GMT
Thanks I.P.  Something ot hope for.

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RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3bN0M0
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
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> There are several types of colon cancer, from slow to aggressive. I've read
> about just mine: carcinoid tumor, quite rare among colon tumors. With any
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> > Damn!  What a miserable f-------------- year!
Danny McCarty - 03 Dec 2004 18:07 GMT
>Subject: Re: OT?  Colon Cancer
>From: "I.P. Freely" fuhgeddaboutit@noway.not
>Date: 11/30/2004 3:27 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <VD6rd.2$i77.0@fe06.lga>

Ow, you reminded me... I haven't had a colonoscopy in about three years, I
think... they found two polyps the size of pin points the last time, but my
mother's side of the family has a history...

>There are several types of colon cancer, from slow to aggressive. I've read
>about just mine: carcinoid tumor, quite rare among colon tumors. With any
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>> Damn!  What a miserable f-------------- year!
Leonard Evens - 01 Dec 2004 01:22 GMT
> IP, and anyone else....
>
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> I was wondering if anyone can give me a quick skinny on colon cancer
> probabilities.  I won't have time to research for a week or more.

Was this the first colonoscopy he has ever had?   It usually takes quite
a long time---over ten years---before suspicious polyps become
cancerous.  So if someone has routine colonoscopies regularly, any
problems are caught in time.

I believe that these days, if colon cancer is caught early, it is very
curable.   But of course some are not caught early, and they can be
fatal.   It is probably impossible, even for an expert, to judge what
your cousin's chances are without knowing all the details.   Let's hope
his cancer was caught early enough.

Colon cancer does tend to run in families, so his close relatives should
be checked more frequently than normal.

> Damn!  What a miserable f-------------- year!
Steve Kramer - 01 Dec 2004 01:40 GMT
My maternal grandfather (and his maternal grandfather) had colon cancer in
his 30s.  He wore a clostomy bag the rest of his life.  My cousin is 55, I
think.  And, I think it was his 2nd colonoscopy (1st at 50), but I could be
wrong about that.

No other cancer on that side of the family.

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3bN0M0
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron (1 mo) 07/21/2003 @ 48
PSA  .07 .05 .06
Lupron (3 mo) 8/03 (48), 12/03, 4/04 (49), 09/04 (50)
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> > Damn!  What a miserable f-------------- year!
I.P. Freely - 01 Dec 2004 05:47 GMT
My colonoscopy three years ago was negative -- not an abnormal spot
anywhere. This summer's colonoscopy (because a CT showed a colon mass)
revealed a 36mm carcinoid tumor -- so big it almost guarantees a metastasis
somewhere. I watched both colonoscopies real time, and abnormal stuff stands
out pretty well, so if there was a hint three years ago, it was just that .
. . a hint.

I.P.

"Leonard Evens" <len@math.northwestern.edu> wrote >
>  It usually takes quite a long time---over ten years---before suspicious
> polyps become cancerous.  So if someone has routine colonoscopies
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> chances are without knowing all the details.   Let's hope his cancer was
> caught early enough.
c palmer - 01 Dec 2004 04:03 GMT
hi steve - got a friend, of over 35 years,  who told me he got the "C"
word. colon cancer.  they did the
colonoscopy but they also did a followup with radiation, so i don't know
how far along he was.  this was about 4 years ago.  as far as i know he
still drinks his beers and does pretty well what he wants.
he's a one of a kind type character.  i remember when they talked with
him before they took him into surgery about attitude.  they asked him
how he felt about the operation.  he said, "well, either i will live or
i will die - what's left?"  

they said, "oh no, you need to look at this surgery with a positive
attitude.  a positive attitude makes a BIG difference."  

he looked at them right in the eye and said, "ok, i'm POSITIVE.......
that i will live or die after surgery."

~ curtis

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invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
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I.P. Freely - 01 Dec 2004 05:51 GMT
That kind of attitude -- a sense of humor and a lack of irrational fear --  
will get him through lots of hardship.

I.P.

> hi steve - got a friend, of over 35 years,  who told me he got the "C"
> word. colon cancer.  they did the
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> he looked at them right in the eye and said, "ok, i'm POSITIVE.......
> that i will live or die after surgery."
c palmer - 01 Dec 2004 08:37 GMT
From: fuhgeddaboutit@noway.not (I.P. Freely)
That kind of attitude -- a sense of humor and a lack of irrational fear
-- will get him through lots of hardship.
I.P.
=================hi I.P.  attitude???   i'll say.  you gotta love this guy.  and he's
truly amazing in every sense of the word.   i mean a book or something
should be written about him.

here's another story with him.  we all have seen them in the news.  an
accident and the person is in the hospital and they say get the news
that they were NEVER walk again.  well, he heard about it and went to
see the person at the hospital.  he talked with him and after a short
conversation, he pointed a finger at him and said, "you're going to
walk!!!!"   the person just stared at him like he was nuts.  i mean,
everyone (doctors, nurses, experts) all have told him that he was lucky
to be alive, let alone - walk.  

then, my friend, told him the "rest" of the story.  he told him that he
not only has had a broken back, but it was broke in THREE PLACES and
that those were the same words that were told to him, "you'll never walk
again"  he looked at them and said, "WATCH ME!!!!'  he said, "i'm
standing in front of you and i walk without crutches or any other aids
and i walk normal.   you can do the same thing.   he left shortly after
that last sentence.

well, to make a long story short, it took about three months of
intensive therapy, but that man that was told he couldn't walk was
taking his first steps and did make a recovery.

i know of two other events, he has given people the inspiration to go on
with life like this.

i've watched him take mechanical situations that were hopeless and built
something from nothing.   he can see a model of something and make a
beautiful copy of it without ever using a calculator and what gets me is
he can make it quite a bit larger.

i remember the day he told me he had cancer.  he said, "well, curtis, i
got the "C" word."  

i said, "C" word.

"yeah, colon cancer!!!  but hey, gotta die of something - right?"

steve - i'm sure that if you want to call him or email him, he won't
mind.  he's been through all the treatments and can give you a lot of
insight.

now, with all that said, allow me to show you some of the most beautiful
airplanes that he had built from scratch as lawn ornaments.

his name is lloyd "tud" krohn.   he goes by the name of "tud"  and there
is a story on that too - if anyone is interested.  kinda funny i think,
but it stuck with him for life.

the first web site has photos in it.  the second web site has a write up
from an aviation publication

1.C-WCMS Bands
AllWebCo Website Templates and Pre-Made Websites. Very reasonable prices
and a complete setup. ... These pictures are unbelievable. Lloyd "TUD"
Krohn made these models from ...

http://www.carmibands.com/links.htm [ MSN, Teoma ]

2.spirit_2002_august
Mr. Lloyd .Tud. Krohn, the vibrant 65 year-old, cancer surviving
gentleman, after looking at us curiously, smiled and welcomed us into
his...

http://www.phoenixsqdn.net/newsletter/spirit3_vol3.pdf [ Teoma ]

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"Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is
invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
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Donna5657 - 01 Dec 2004 16:31 GMT
Steve,  sorry your year has been so bad.   My father, along with the pca had
colorectal cancer.   I found cancer.gov to have the most straightforward
information.  

Just like in treating the prostate, it is critical to find a doctor who
specializes in colorectal disease.   Especially if surgery will be involved.
Where does your cousin live?  Good luck.  
glassman - 05 Dec 2004 05:19 GMT
> IP, and anyone else....
>
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> I was wondering if anyone can give me a quick skinny on colon cancer
> probabilities.  I won't have time to research for a week or more.

 My first colonoscopy had 2 polyps removed, one of which was large and pre
cancerous. My next test was 5 years later, (should have been 3), and thanks
to my high fat, low carb diet during those 5 years, I was clean as a whistle
which really shocked me. As Leonard said they are very slow growing. I'm
assuming that his bunch were all removed and biopsied. He'll need to go back
for more tests regularly, and probably will be fine now that they were
discovered. I have a friend that grows polyps like tomatoes, and needs to
have a test every year, and every year they find and remove some.

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MH - 05 Dec 2004 14:02 GMT
>> My cousin was just dx'd with colon cancer (I think my family only has a
>> couple of cancers left to be dx'd with).  He had a colonoscopy just
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>> That's all I know.

What's the word on your cousin, Steve?  Will he have to have any form of
treatment.... or did the doctor get the polyps out in time??

This has been a rough year for your family.  Hopefully, 2005 will be much
better!

Hope all is well with your son now!

Take care!
MikeH
Steve Kramer - 05 Dec 2004 17:29 GMT
Thanks, Mike.  I'm still waiting on that.  He was supposed to go to the doc
on Friday to find out, but I haven't talked to him or his sibs since then.
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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3bN0M0
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .27  .37  .75
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .34 .22 .15 .21 .32
Lupron (1 mo) 07/21/2003 @ 48
PSA  .07 .05 .06
Lupron (3 mo) 8/03 (48), 12/03, 4/04 (49), 09/04 (50)
non Illegitimi carborundum

> >> My cousin was just dx'd with colon cancer (I think my family only has a
> >> couple of cancers left to be dx'd with).  He had a colonoscopy just
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> Take care!
> MikeH
 
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