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Thanksgiving 1999 and 2004

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George Nuetzel - 25 Nov 2004 18:27 GMT
1999...  Today, we made our way to my in-laws for Thanksgiving.  My wife
drove as I was not allowed to drive yet ( my RRP was on 15 November).
This was the first trip out for me and the leg bag.  We only stayed
about 3 hours as I still didn't have my strength back. I hope this isn't
going to be like this for too long.

2004...  Today, while looking for something in a closet, I discovered
half a package of Guards for Men.  This really brought back memories and
helps me to realize I do have something to be thankful for. I remember
my lowest point in this adventure when my urologist/surgeon removed the
catheter and I gushed.  Absolutely no control at all and thought to
myself  "Am I going to be this way for the rest of my life?".  I
remember four months later when I went "cold turkey" and wore no
protection at all (successfully I might add). Last week, I went in for
my yearly check-up and everything was fine.  My doctor commented on the
fact that he could not even see my scar.  He seemed very proud of his
work.  I remember when it was an ugly shade of purple and was "lumpy".

So for all of you who are about to undergo this, I pray for you, and be
patient with your recovery.

George
I.P. Freely - 25 Nov 2004 19:38 GMT
I hear ya, but it's still tough to be TOO patient when I can count my
remaining seasons of active sports on my fingers. . . if I'm lucky.
Fortunately, I can play with wet pants, so it's just cosmetics. But I'll
still make concessions to propriety and wear a diaper to my friend's house
for turkey today. They -- and their furniture -- will appreciate it.

So the 9" railroad track will go away, huh? That's good to hear, especially
since I spend half the year in a swim suit in public. Don't want to gross
out the little kids.

I.P.

> 1999...  Today, we made our way to my in-laws for Thanksgiving.  My wife
> drove as I was not allowed to drive yet ( my RRP was on 15 November).
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> George
c palmer - 25 Nov 2004 20:35 GMT
hi IP - at 19 months, i've been wearing swimming trunks and swimming for
the last 6 months at a indoor pool and sitting in a hot tub with the
rest of the world.  i've noticed my scar is hardly visible as compared
to what it use to be and would agree with george.

and if anyone should be very conscious of scarring it would be me
because i got into  fights starting around the age of 5.  these fights
got pretty nasty and in one of the fights, a person hit me hard with a
rusty pipe that had an elbow on the end.  the elbow missed my eye and
landed below on the cheek and laid me open big time.  i was told i was
lucky because had he hit the eye, it would have popped it out
completely.  it required quite a few stitches and i always had this deep
scar  to remind me of my fighting days.  actually, that's when i quit
fighting, because i realized that there would be a lot more of those if
i continued to fight and each day i looked into the mirror, i was
reminded of these events.  over time, it has faded over and today, if
you were to look at my face, the scarring blends in so it's not
noticeable.  
i was amazed the the RP scar faded as fast as when  compared how slow
the scar on my face faded since both scars were deep cuts.

scarred or not, having the cancer out of the body and the peace of mine
that goes with it is a lot of be thankful for.

~ curtis

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invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
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JerryW - 26 Nov 2004 14:24 GMT
I.P., just curious, what sports do you participate in?

Jerry

>I hear ya, but it's still tough to be TOO patient when I can count my
>remaining seasons of active sports on my fingers. . . if I'm lucky.
>Fortunately, I can play with wet pants, so it's just cosmetics.
I.P. Freely - 26 Nov 2004 22:52 GMT
Uh, oh: long-answer alert. Exercise is a soapbox topic I consider vital to
mental and physical well-being well into old age, followed by a short
transition from vigor to rigor.

My sports are down to one now, largely by choice. For decades they included
riding and racing dirt bikes and snowmobiles at near-pro levels, plus some
skiing and a few lesser dabbles, plus intramural football and volleyball
into my mid 30s. I pursued one or more of them 4-6 days a week into my
mid-40s, when they all succumbed to one, obsessive, highly addictive,
all-consuming (if ya do it right) and FAR less painful sport: windsurfing. I
now live near the best windsurfing spot in North America, the Columbia River
Gorge, where we can sail in high winds (20-60 mph) and good terrain (3-5
feet is common, the great days will hit 8, even 10, feet) up to 100 days
over 9 months each each year.

Because of its high doses of adrenaline and exercise and plain old fun, its
wide range of ways to do it (many prefer milder winds and flatter water),
and its near-zero injury rate, I consider windsurfing a marvelous sport to
carry us into doddering old age, and a way to postpone and condense the
"doddering" part. MANY nurses over the decades have expressed surprise,
sometimes even alarm, at my low pulse rate and blood pressure, not to
mention my physical condition, and I can sail for hours more per day than
the vast majority of "kids" 1/3 my age, because they're SOFT. If I had to
rely on a gym to stay fit, I'd be a couch potato. But try to take my sports
away from me and you have a major battle on your hands. I manage to use my
Bowflex to get me through the winter now that I've given up dirt bikes and
snowmobiles, but then it's history until next winter.

There's just one catch: windsurfing interferes with a career. I walked away
from my engineering career at 45 because the wind wouldn't confine itself to
weekends. That's OK; I consider 16 years of an engineer's salary an
acceptable price for all the thrills and exercise and sheer JOY I've had.
NUTHIN' -- not an anniversary, not a meeting, not elective surgery -- gets
in the way of a windy day; they're too precious.

But the bigger message is this: exercise improves our mental and physical
health and longevity, and for the vast majority of people, exercise must
have an INTRINSIC reward if they're to permanently integrate it into their
lifsetyles. We should all strive to find a form of exercise we'd do even if
it were not beneficial. Think kids play because "it's good for them"? Of
course not; they play because it's fun. Then they grow "up", are told they
must stop playing and start working out, recognize the root word of "working
out", decide THAT'S no fun, settle onto the couch, grow old and sluggish
and/or fat, and spend the next decade or three dying. Now THAT'S what's no
fun! Or they try many forms of "working out" -- weights, jogging, machines,
etc. -- sporadically but never keep any of them up because . . . Ta Da . . .
they're not fun.

My 55 years of hard play is its own reward, and the physical condition it
leaves me in made the surgeons not just willing but EAGER to try this dual
surgery on me at 61, helped me become able to comfortably pick up something
from the floor (by any of three methods) 2-3 days post-op, and will have me
back on my toys by the day the doctors allow it at 6 weeks post-op. If these
damned cancers will leave me alone, I hope to be keeping up with those
20-year-old kids when I'm FOUR times their age. Some other 80-year-olds can
come close, so why can't I?

Or any of us? Geezers benefit more than young people from starting to
exercise because they're in such poor shape, many geezers have plenty of
time, and it's about time they put some fun back into their lives.

Sorry, but you asked. ;-)

I.P.

> I.P., just curious, what sports do you participate in?
JerryW - 26 Nov 2004 23:01 GMT
Yes, I did!!!!! Whew, wore me out just reading it. Thanks, Jerry

> Uh, oh: long-answer alert. Exercise is a soapbox topic I consider vital to
> mental and physical well-being well into old age, followed by a short
> transition from vigor to rigor.

<snip most of long answer>

> Sorry, but you asked. ;-)
>
> I.P.
>
>> I.P., just curious, what sports do you participate in?
I.P. Freely - 26 Nov 2004 23:46 GMT
Hey, now your eye muscles are just a little stronger.

I.P.

> Yes, I did!!!!! Whew, wore me out just reading it. Thanks, Jerry
>
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>>> I.P., just curious, what sports do you participate in?
Steve Kramer - 26 Nov 2004 16:19 GMT
Another entry into the Five Year and Clear Club.  Congratulations!

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> 1999...  Today, we made our way to my in-laws for Thanksgiving.  My wife
> drove as I was not allowed to drive yet ( my RRP was on 15 November).
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>
> George
 
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