We've been told red wine s good for us (I agree)
Tomatoes on toast very nice
But has any one tried any other herbal remedies /vitamins that are supposed
to work.
If you have tried them do they work?
Any long term side affects?
I've only just bin diagnosed and I'm on the Waite and watch approach, and
would like to try this avenue before going on to drugs
Any replies welcome
Olfart - 18 Nov 2004 12:45 GMT
> We've been told red wine s good for us (I agree)
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The only long term effect of herbal remedies is an increase in the number of
cancer cells in your prostate and eventually mets to surrounding areas.
Tomatoes, wine, etc. might help *prevent* cancer from starting, but will do
nothing to remove whatever ccancer yo already have.
While you are watching and waiting, I would suggest you investigate methods
of treatment which will kill the beast.
George
Age - 69
8/12/02 - PSA 3.7
10/13/03 - PSA 4.69
11/11/03 - PSA 4.8
11/18/03 - Biopsy - 10 cores
one core-25% of core-Gleason 4+4=8
all other cores benign tissue
12/10/03 - Consult - Oncologist MD
12/16/03 - Consult - Radiation Oncologist
Treatment Plan - Northeast Ga Cancer Center
HT - started 12/17/03 - Eulixen & Lupron (2nd 4 mo Lupron-4/26)
2/10/04 - Started - Flowmax and Megastrol
Radiation - IMRT to begin 3/30/04 - 42 treatments - Completed 6/8/04
8/30/04 - 1 yr Viadur Implant instead of 4mo Lupron
ButtercupsDad@dog.net - 18 Nov 2004 13:00 GMT
I participated in a study where I had the RRP last year. They had me
taking 30 grams of ground flax seed per day (about 3 tablespoons). Do
some Google searches to find out more. There apparently was some
research done that showed that something in the ground flax seed
slowed the growth of the prostate cancer. I remember the term "ligen"
associated with this, and that the ground flax seed was necessary, not
just the flax seed oil pills because they lacked some of the
ingredients that they thought affected the cancer growth. Memory is
foggy on this now, sorry.
One thing if you do try the ground flax seed. Two things...
One is that it has a short shelf life. Be careful where you buy it.
Buying it on the net may not be a good idea because you have no way of
knowing how long it has been setting around. And two, drink a lot if
you take this stuff. It will turn to concrete in your body if you do
not drink enough fluids. No joke there.
Good luck.
Thank you.
David S.
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I P Freely - 18 Nov 2004 17:08 GMT
Watch out for its other side effect, too. When I tried ground flax seeds
even in very small doses (well under a teaspoon), I began spending much of
my day on paperwork. You know . . . the perforated roll of paper? No WAY was
it worth that for me! There was just no getting cleaned up.
I.P.
> I participated in a study where I had the RRP last year. They had me
> taking 30 grams of ground flax seed per day (about 3 tablespoons). Do
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> you take this stuff. It will turn to concrete in your body if you do
> not drink enough fluids. No joke there.
Steve Kramer - 18 Nov 2004 14:11 GMT
There is nothing taken orally that cures Prostate Cancer. There are some
foods and vitamins that seem to have a postive effect on prostate cancer
cells but their effect range from partial to possible. Red wine, especially
one high in a certain protein, may help. Tomatoes, especially stewed or
cooked, probably help. Sellennium, Green Tea, Vitamin E, et al. all fall
into the spectrum somewhere.

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John Loomis - 18 Nov 2004 14:55 GMT
Cruciferous vegies......May be an important aspect in the fight to prevent
prostate cancer. Once you have cancer, it may not stop it.
Keep track of your PSA and see a good urologist.
Get a biopsy if at all suspicious.
John Loomis
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Sandy K. - 18 Nov 2004 16:55 GMT
I been doing a fare amount of reading to see what can be done to keep you
from getting prostate cancer. I'm concerned about both my boys, since both
my brohter & I have/had it. It seems an Asian type of a diet may prevent
it - high in fish and soy products, low in fats. However, I don't know how
that would impact you once you already have the cancer.
Sandy K.
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I P Freely - 18 Nov 2004 17:04 GMT
No dietary or herbal alternatives have been shown effective in any clinical
trials. But cooked tomato products, acidifying the lymphatic system with a
little extra calcium intake, and cutting WAY back on saturated animal fats
are folk remedies that should do no harm (unless the calcium is overdone).
The wait and watch aproach is now widely condemned except in specific cases,
mostly in people with short life expectation (maybe <a decade, maybe < 15
years). Are you in that category?
I.P.
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Joe \(shaw\) - 19 Nov 2004 02:03 GMT
There is a pendulum swinging out there somewhere..
When I had my LRP surgery,3 long years ago, the theme of the month was to
blame milk and red meat (and genetics, of course). We were getting prostate
cancer because we were drinking too much milk - calcium overdose was to
blame. Now calcium is in again?
Who knows?
There are many suggestions out there for those who are trying to ward off
PCa but few that apply to those of us trying to improve the odds of evading
a recurrence.
I do think a list of "Can't hurt and might help" Vs. "Can't help and might
hurt" Vs. "Try at your own risk" over the counter supplements/activities
etc., an interesting addition to the literature for those of us how are
post-primary treatment.
Salmon is supposed to be good as of course are red wine, cooked tomatoes and
vitamin E (oops - look out for the pendulum!) .
> No dietary or herbal alternatives have been shown effective in any
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Canada Bob - 18 Nov 2004 21:30 GMT
>We've been told red wine s good for us (I agree)
>Tomatoes on toast very nice
Then again Keith, if you have going to bet yer life on the above
you might as well try Boddingtons and Walkers crips, grin.
>But has any one tried any other herbal remedies /vitamins that are supposed
>to work.
Vitamins ??? someone say vitamins, now with my serious hat on here's
the latest.
>If you have tried them do they work?
Vitamin C certainly works ! cancer cells seem to THRIVE on it, yea,
really,
stay away from dosing yourself up on vitamin C, I'd much rather pop a
couple of Celebrex each day, worked for me, {at least pre Cryo}.
>I've only just bin diagnosed and I'm on the Waite and watch approach, and
>would like to try this avenue before going on to drugs
Feel free to give me a call Keith, drop me an e-mail first though so
that I'm sure to be home.
Canada Bob {aka Wigan Bob, now that I'm back in Old Blighty}.
robert01942@hotmail.com
Jim Hammond - 18 Nov 2004 21:44 GMT
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If you look at past postings in this newsgroup, I think you will find:
(1) no drug treatment is considered a long-term curative, only
pallative. (2)long-term cure is based on destruction of the prostate
before the cancer has spread by surgical removal, radiation, freezing,
or high-intensity sound. There are many variables to consider, but
watchful waiting should only be chosen if you are old enough that
something else is likely to kill you before prostate cancer does.
Don't be lulled into waiting too long to choose a curative option if
you are able to.
Art T - 18 Nov 2004 22:28 GMT
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check out cancertutor.com
---MIKE--- - 18 Nov 2004 23:08 GMT
Any of the "preventative" approaches could prevent or slow down the
spread of any cancer remaining after treatment. I had seeds about 6
years ago and my PSA was slowly rising until it got up to 3.3 where it
seems to be staying. I drink tomato juice (heated with margarine added)
every day, Put ground flaxseed on my high fiber cereal (with soy milk)
every morning and take as supplements: Gamma E with selenium, Boron,
Licorice, Magnesium, C, D, Calcium, B complex plus a multi vitamin
(without iron). I believe that this strengthens the immune system and
allows it to suppress the spread of the cancer. Neither my urologist or
oncologist seem concerned by my PSA.
---MIKE---
Alan Meyer - 19 Nov 2004 00:27 GMT
> Any of the "preventative" approaches could prevent or slow down the
> spread of any cancer remaining after treatment. I had seeds about 6
> years ago and my PSA was slowly rising until it got up to 3.3 where it
> seems to be staying.
Mike,
How long have you been at 3.3?
> I drink tomato juice (heated with margarine added)
> every day, Put ground flaxseed on my high fiber cereal (with soy milk)
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> allows it to suppress the spread of the cancer. Neither my urologist or
> oncologist seem concerned by my PSA.
Have they told you anything about hormone therapy? Do they have
a plan to put you on it if your PSA goes above some number?
It appears that you are one of the lucky guys whose cancer is
very slow growing. Can you tell us how old you are?
I ask these questions because your experience seems to be
different from most patients. Many people who have "failed"
treatment (i.e., PSA rose after treatment) immediately went on
hormone therapy without waiting for the PSA to rise more than
a few tenths. Maybe some of those should have waited longer,
as you have done.
Thanks.
Alan
I P Freely - 19 Nov 2004 01:03 GMT
I hope that margarine is a very small amount. Those trans-fatty acids are
baaaaad stuff.
I.P.
"---MIKE---" <twinmountain@webtv.net> wrote \\
> I drink tomato juice (heated with margarine added)
> every day,
---MIKE--- - 19 Nov 2004 01:50 GMT
I.P., The margarine I use is "Olivio" which is mostly mono fats (made
with olive, canola and soybean oils). I add it to the tomato juice
because they said the lycopene works best if it is taken with some oil.
The tomato juice is heated to a boil in the microwave so I am actually
having tomato soup!
---MIKE---
Alan Meyer - 19 Nov 2004 00:29 GMT
> ...
> I've only just bin diagnosed and I'm on the Waite and watch approach, and
> would like to try this avenue before going on to drugs
> ...
Keith,
One of the things I always like to say to people doing
watchful waiting is, Make sure you're watching, and not
just waiting. If the PSA starts accellerating upward, you
want to know about it at an early stage of the accelleration,
not after it's gotten out of control.
How often is your doctor prescribing PSA tests?
Thanks,
Alan
---MIKE--- - 19 Nov 2004 01:21 GMT
Alan, I will be 75 next week. I will be seeing my urologist again this
coming Monday (yearly visit). I plan to ask him if he recommends a bone
scan. As far as hormones go, he wouldn't recommend them unless my PSA
got up to 10. It seems to me that the most important thing to watch is
the PSA doubling rate. Mine never exceeded 24 months and the last time
(September) it actually dropped slightly. I think most people AND
doctors are too quick to panic and start hormones. The side effects are
too great - especially what they do to the bones. I already have
osteopenia and am taking Fosamax. I can't afford to have my bones
weaken more than they already have. At any rate, I plan to continue my
diet and supplement regimen - it can't hurt!
---MIKE---
jk - 19 Nov 2004 04:07 GMT
> We've been told red wine s good for us (I agree)
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Nothing works for removing cancer of the prostate other than removing it,
killing the prostate tissue, or starving it. NOTHING.....

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