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Constipation problem some months after surgery.

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Pee2 - 05 Sep 2003 21:34 GMT
I am about 6 months post RP with no real problems (except no sex).  However
for some time now I need to take stool softeners every night and the
situation is not improving,  Anyone else with similar problem?  Hank
David S. - 05 Sep 2003 22:59 GMT
   They had me take Milk of Magnesia every morning and mineral oil every
evening after the surgery.  When the catheter came out they told me to
"return to a normal diet", so I took that to mean stop taking the MOM and
MO.  In the past week I have had problems with constipation so yesterday I
started taking the MOM again.
   While that catheter was in I drank a lot of water, per instructions.
After it came out I went back to a more normal intake of fluids.  I wonder
if I should drink more water?  I eat a lot of fruit and salads, and eat
whole grain cereals for breakfast.  I thought that would keep me regular,
but apparently not.
   While I was off work I walked every day.  Now that I am back at work
that has stopped.  Maybe the exercise had something to do with this?
   I do not see how this can relate to the PCa though, can it?   By the
way, I am only one month post RRP.
   Thank you.
David S.

> I am about 6 months post RP with no real problems (except no sex).  However
> for some time now I need to take stool softeners every night and the
> situation is not improving,  Anyone else with similar problem?  Hank
Pee2 - 06 Sep 2003 01:36 GMT
Six months.
>     They had me take Milk of Magnesia every morning and mineral oil every
> evening after the surgery.  When the catheter came out they told me to
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> > for some time now I need to take stool softeners every night and the
> > situation is not improving,  Anyone else with similar problem?  Hank
Steve Kramer - 06 Sep 2003 22:58 GMT
There ought to be an 11th Commandment:  Thou shalt drink more water and walk
more miles all the days of your lives.

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PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .3  .4  .8
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .3 .2  .2  .2 .3
Erection 05/12/2003 @ 48
HT 07/21&09/04/2003 @ 48

>     They had me take Milk of Magnesia every morning and mineral oil every
> evening after the surgery.  When the catheter came out they told me to
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> > for some time now I need to take stool softeners every night and the
> > situation is not improving,  Anyone else with similar problem?  Hank
David S. - 07 Sep 2003 00:57 GMT
   Make that 12.  Every good gardener knows that the 11th commandment is
"dig in the dirt"....

> There ought to be an 11th Commandment:  Thou shalt drink more water and walk
> more miles all the days of your lives.
Steve M. - 07 Sep 2003 02:03 GMT
David,
Maybe your body misses the flaxseed that you took between the time of
your biopsy and the surgery as part of a study.  I'm sure you will be
in the published results of that study due to the drop in your Gleason
score from 6 to 5.
I'm eating fresh plums instead of "dried plums"/prunes with good
results.
Steve M

> They had me take Milk of Magnesia every morning and mineral oil every
> evening after the surgery.  When the catheter came out they told me to
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>     Thank you.
> David S.
David S. - 07 Sep 2003 02:41 GMT
Steve:
   That is a good point.  With the flax seed stopping abruptly the day
before surgery, I have forgotten about that entirely.  Then it was MOM and
mineral oil for three weeks, so the ground flax seed kind of moved out of my
consciousness.
   My wife does get me the dried fruits, usually prunes and apricots, but I
have not gotten back to eating those regularly since the surgery.  I do not
want to rely on MOM, or other artificial laxatives, so I guess I will try
more fresh fruits and get back to snacking on the dried fruits.
   Does anyone use trail mix?  The dietician told me that it was good
because there were nutrients in the nuts, etc., that we may not get
otherwise.  What I found is expensive though.  About four dollars per
package.  I think the brand was something like "365...".
   Thank you.
David S.

> David,
> Maybe your body misses the flaxseed that you took between the time of
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> results.
> Steve M
Heather - 07 Sep 2003 03:30 GMT
AHA!!  The light bulb just went off.  Ron (having grown up in the West
Indies) loves fruit of all kinds (me, I don't).......but my daughter
bought him 'dried mango slices' from a Chinese market in Vancouver and
boy, do they work like prunes!!

If you don't like the taste or thought of eating prunes, try the mango
slices.  I would give you the name, but I don't read Chinese.  You can
get them in Filipino markets too.  I am kidding you about the name, so
if you want the brand, I will get it for you later.

Happy trails.......hmmm, that doesn't see quite appropriate......LOL!!

Heather

> Steve:
>     That is a good point.  With the flax seed stopping abruptly the day
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> > results.
> > Steve M
David S. - 07 Sep 2003 03:54 GMT
   Don't worry, it will come out alright in the end....

> AHA!!  The light bulb just went off.  Ron (having grown up in the West
> Indies) loves fruit of all kinds (me, I don't).......but my daughter
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>
> Heather
Pee2 - 07 Sep 2003 05:42 GMT
The end.  Hank
>     Don't worry, it will come out alright in the end....
>
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> >
> > Heather
John Loomis - 06 Sep 2003 01:45 GMT
Hey Pee 2.  Eat prunes.  Throw away the stool softeners.....Drink water, and
do walk.
Do you walk at least 2 miles a day?
If you say no to this, that is what may be the problem.
Stool softeners are for people that do not exersize, and eat well.

When I got home from my surgery many moons ago, I had bottles of bladder
spasm stuff, and big red pills for stool softeners, and vicadin for pain,
and I used those the 1st night and felt like "heck"
The 2nd day, I threw out all the pills inclucing vicodin......
I had prunes for snacks, and walked every chance I could. I drank lots of
water......hey, fill the bag, what the heck.  It helps.
Funny, I felt better, slept well, and woke up ready for another day.
   I did it allover again except with no pills........but you need to
walk...really.Its fun too! John Loomis
> I am about 6 months post RP with no real problems (except no sex).  However
> for some time now I need to take stool softeners every night and the
> situation is not improving,  Anyone else with similar problem?  Hank
chuck@prunes.com - 06 Sep 2003 15:01 GMT
Same here.  I got fed up taking pills.  Bought a big bag of prunes and
created a war zone.  Man do they work.  Began walking but not quite
two miles.  Managed just over a mile, drank water and felt fine.
Don't need prunes anymore but they are here just in case.  I am just
like I was before surgery except that I pee better and I read in bed
for something to do.  Keep praying to the Woody Gods.

Chuck H.
Steve Kramer - 06 Sep 2003 23:53 GMT
Hmmmmmmmmm.  I'll have to try prunes.  I take Metamucil every morning.  I
drink and walk, but prunes sounds a whole lot better than Metamucil.  Gees.
I can't believe I never thought of that before.  It's got to be one of the
oldest old-people stereotypes.

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Steve Kramer
PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46
Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c
RRP 12/15/2000
PSA  .1  .1  .1  .3  .4  .8
EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47
PSA  .3 .2  .2  .2 .3
Erection 05/12/2003 @ 48
HT 07/21&09/04/2003 @ 48

> Same here.  I got fed up taking pills.  Bought a big bag of prunes and
> created a war zone.  Man do they work.  Began walking but not quite
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>
> Chuck H.
bowichpapa@webtv.net - 07 Sep 2003 14:41 GMT
Here's the reason prunes work so well:
.
"Often associated with the elderly and their constipation problems,
prunes do have a laxative effect that is much easier on the body than
any medication, and just as effective. Since prune juice is equally
effective, but lacking in fiber, some food chemists suggest that another
constituent other than fiber is the real reason they are so effective as
a laxative. Prunes contain an unidentified derivative of the organic
chemical isatin, which is related to another natural substance called
biscodyl, the active ingredient in some over-the-counter laxative
preparations. Biscodyl is a contact laxative that induces the secretion
of fluid in the bowel and stimulates contractions of the intestines to
push waste through the colon more quickly and efficiently."
.
http://www.innvista.com/health/foods/fruits/plums.htm
 
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