Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / Prostate Cancer / November 2004
Testosterone Deprivation Therapy Affects Verbal Memory
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c palmer - 06 Nov 2004 03:33 GMT SEATTLE - Word retention drops sharply after only two minutes among men undergoing testosterone deprivation therapy, according to scientists at Oregon Health and Sciences University School of Medicine and Cancer Institute. This drop in verbal memory happens even though initial learning of the words, or encoding, is the same for testosterone-deprived and healthy men. Members of OHSU's s departments of Behavioral Neuroscience and Medicine will present their study, called "Androgen ablation impairs hippocampal-dependent verbal memory processes, " Oct 24 to the Society for Neuroscience in San Diego. Men who have undergone testosterone deprivation "are able to encode these words well, and if I ask them immediately, they can recall them as easily as non-hormone-deprived men," said Joseph Bussiere, a graduate student in behavioral neuroscience and the study's lead author. "But after only two minutes, there's a marked drop-off. When you stretch the time between encoding and retrieval, that's where the problem lies." In testosterone deprivation or "ablation," the testicles are surgically removed or drugs are given to block the production of male hormones, principally testosterone, that can promote prostate cancer growth. This common treatment for prostate cancer wipes out most male hormones found in the body. Bussiere and Jeri Janowsky, Ph.D., professor of behavioral neuroscience and neurology, OHSU School of Medicine, say the rapid drop in memory suggests the lack of testosterone affects the function of the hippocampus, a curved, elongated ridge in the brain that controls learning and memory. In fact, Janowsky said, similar deficits - the ability to encode information initially but forget it quickly - is seen in individuals with well-known cognitive disorders. "A colleague looked at (the study results) and said, 'Wow, that looks exactly like what happens with a lesion in the hippocampus," Janowsky said. "When others have done studies like this on people who have hippocampal damage from early Alzheimer's disease or lesions due to strokes, this is the pattern." The study examined 30 individuals - 14 men undergoing androgen deprivation treatment for prostate cancer and 16 healthy, age-matched men - from the Portland area. Participants were shown lists of words and, to encode them, were asked to identify whether the words were in capital or lowercase letters, which requires shallow or "perceptual" processing, or whether they represented objects that occurred in nature or were artificially made, which requires deep or "semantic" processing. Participants were then shown another list containing words they'd just seen as well as new words and were asked whether they'd seen each word before. This test was performed at three time intervals: immediately, after two minutes and after 12 minutes. Testosterone-deprived men can "immediately get the information in, but then the hippocampus can't consolidate it and send it off for storage," Janowsky said. "When you look at their memory, they're perfectly normal when they're immediately asked to recall something, but they can't hold or save the information as well in order to recall it over a retention interval, over a period of time. They're faster at forgetting." These results, Bussiere and Janowsky say, point to a negative effect of testosterone deprivation in the hippocampus, which is responsible for storing information from the first few seconds on. Both the prefrontal cortex and hippocampal memory systems commonly show declines with aging and are associated with problems in attention and memory. "But for long-term memory, the critical structure is the hippocampus. It doesn't mean the prefrontal cortex doesn't participate, but it's the hippocampus that's important for these results. After the information gets in, the hippocampus and other nearby structures are responsible for processing and storing it over minutes, to days and weeks," Janowsky said. The next step in the research is to use brain imaging to assess the function of the hippocampus in men on testosterone deprivation therapy, which will be developed at OHSU's Advanced Imaging Research Center. One study will look at changes in blood flow in parts of the brain that are activated during the memory tests, and another will examine the effects of testosterone deprivation on structures in the brain. "We can see during each task what parts of the brain are active and how the two brains (testosterone deprived versus normal ) differ," Bussiere said. Janowsky, whose laboratory focuses on how cognition changes with aging, said healthy older men, on average, have about a 40 percent loss in their normal levels of testosterone as they age, from the ages of 20 or 30, to 70, but that some men in their 80s can have normal and high testosterone levels like men half their age. "This is an important first step in an effort to fully understand how prostate cancer therapies adversely affect memory and other brain functions, and to develop therapies that do not produce such undesirable effects," said Tomasz Beer, M.D., associate professor of medicine and director of the OHSU Cancer Institute Prostate Cancer Research Program. Beer was a co-investigator in the effort. The study is one in a series of ongoing research projects funded by the National Institute on Aging that examine sex hormones, particularly testosterone and estrogen, as neuromodulators and their roles in cognitive function in aging. A study in which Janowsky and Beer collaborated found that high-dose estrogen can be used as a testosterone deprivation tool for men with prostate cancer, but that these testosterone-deprived men showed better memory performance than men undergoing traditional testosterone deprivation treatment. Other collaborators on the study included Michelle Neiss, a senior research associate of behavioral neuroscience, and Beer.
knowledge is power - growing old is mandatory - growing wise is optional "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so."
Jim Rocks - 06 Nov 2004 16:36 GMT I could of told them that. I find myself forgetting since the ht started.
Jim Rocks
> SEATTLE - Word retention drops sharply after only two minutes among men > undergoing testosterone deprivation therapy, according to scientists at [quoted text clipped - 92 lines] > "Many more men die with prostate cancer than of it. Growing old is > invariably fatal. Prostate cancer is only sometimes so." Marshall Schuon - 07 Nov 2004 08:21 GMT >I could of told them that. I find myself forgetting since the ht started. > >Jim Rocks _______
Me too. As I recall.
Marshall
Tom C - 07 Nov 2004 12:01 GMT It's nice to see a explanation for it other than the classic CRS my wife accuses me of ;-) Tom
> >I could of told them that. I find myself forgetting since the ht started. > > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Marshall Larry - 07 Nov 2004 12:35 GMT I was going to respond, but I forgot what I was going to say . . . .
> It's nice to see a explanation for it other than the classic CRS my wife > accuses me of ;-) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > > Marshall nospam@please.com - 12 Nov 2004 04:21 GMT So now I hear of another great side effect of Lupron.
My doctors didn't warn me, but I seem to have a number of problems such as joint and muscle pain, headaches, sleep disorders, gastrointestinal distress,and shortness of breath. I didn't attribute them to Lupron until months after my intial shot when I read the fine print on the Lupron web page.
I also seem to have increased depression, but that is hard to separate when you have a good reason to be depressed.
My general md suggested Naproxen Sodium by prescription (about the same dose as taking 2 Aleve over-the-counter drugs.) This doesn't help much, and does little for depression either.
Anyone had any good results in fighting off the side effects of Lupron?
Robert Austin - 12 Nov 2004 04:57 GMT >My general md suggested Naproxen Sodium by prescription >(about the same dose as taking 2 Aleve over-the-counter drugs.) >This doesn't help much, and does little for depression either. As a person that has fought depression for years and probably owe my life to good medication for it, I would say to you, "Get yourself to a doctor that knows how to treat depression. He can make a big difference in your life.
Will you be free from depression 100% of the time, No Way, but it can sure be made it more tolerable and occur less often.
Through carelessness I haven't been taking my depression medication like I should lately and I'm paying one hell of a price for it right now.
Do yourself a big favor and act on it if what I have written makes sense. Depression won't kill you, it might just cause you to kill yourself. No, I'm not going to do that, I don't think, but I sure as hell have been thinking about it a lot the last couple of days.
Bob Austin
Age 75 PSA 7 Free PSA 12 1st round of biopsies clear, 2nd. 2 positives Gleason 9 Cryosurgery 03/11/03 Post Op PSA's 0.4 6 Months 0.1 9 Months 0.2 15 Months 0.21
robertbob.austin@NoSpamearthlink.net
Steve Kramer - 13 Nov 2004 11:22 GMT I had hot flashes. Otherwise, after 1? years, I know of no adverse side-effects of the Lupron I take.
If I'm doing something to stop them, I guess it is all the walking I do.
 Signature Prostate Cancer Survivor (so far), not a doctor PSA 16 10/17/2000 @ 46 Biopsy 11/01/2000 G7 (3+4), T2c RRP 12/15/2000 G7 (3+4), T3bN0M0 PSA .1 .1 .1 .27 .37 .75 EBRT 05-07/2002 @ 47 PSA .34 .22 .15 .21 .32 Lupron (1 mo) 07/21/2003 @ 48 PSA .07 .05 .06 Lupron (3 mo) 8/03 (48), 12/03, 4/04 (49), 09/04 (50) non illegitimi carborundum
> >My general md suggested Naproxen Sodium by prescription > >(about the same dose as taking 2 Aleve over-the-counter drugs.) [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > robertbob.austin@NoSpamearthlink.net Olfart - 12 Nov 2004 14:13 GMT > So now I hear of another great side effect of Lupron. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Anyone had any good results in fighting off the side effects of > Lupron? I had some of the same problems with the 2 Lupron shots I got (4 mo apart). I went to a new Uro (the old one moved away) and he sugggested geting a Viadur implant the next time I was due. It lasts for a year and it releases a much steadier flow of the drug, which he says Lupron does not, so it's easier on your system. I got my implant in late August and have had very little side effect probs-feel 100% better than with the Lupron shot. George Age - 69 8/12/02 - PSA 3.7 10/13/03 - PSA 4.69 11/11/03 - PSA 4.8 11/18/03 - Biopsy - 10 cores one core-25% of core-Gleason 4+4=8 all other cores benign tissue 12/10/03 - Consult - Oncologist MD 12/16/03 - Consult - Radiation Oncologist Treatment Plan - Northeast Ga Cancer Center HT - started 12/17/03 - Eulixen & Lupron (2nd 4 mo Lupron-4/26) 2/10/04 - Started - Flowmax and Megastrol Radiation - IMRT to begin 3/30/04 - 42 treatments - Completed 6/8/04 8/30/04 - 1 yr Viadur Implant instead of 4mo Lupron
Alan Meyer - 12 Nov 2004 22:14 GMT > Anyone had any good results in fighting off the side effects of > Lupron? Plenty of rest and plenty of exercise were both helpful to me.
I was in good physical shape before HT, running 4 miles, 3 times a week at good speed.
Between the Lupron and the radiation, my energy level decreased considerably and, by the end of treatment, I had trouble running even one mile slowly. The radiation may have been a bigger factor as the Lupron. There's no way to know.
But I kept exercising as best I could, and it made a difference. I still had plenty of energy for daily living even if I couldn't run 4 miles.
I also had, and still have, joint pain in my fingers which I attribute to the Lupron (though who knows for sure.) That too is controlled with exercise. I do lots of flexibility/mobility exercise and quite a bit of strength exercises for my hands and the pain and stiffness seems very well controlled.
So the answer to your question is, Yes, I had good results fighting off the side effects. For me, exercise was the key.
Alan
Lorelei - 13 Nov 2004 18:08 GMT > So now I hear of another great side effect of Lupron. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Anyone had any good results in fighting off the side effects of > Lupron? My Husband, Curt, was having debilitating hot flashes from Lupron. His doc started him on Effexor 35mg bid and it is also an antidepressant. Known to help with hot flashes in menopausal women and now being used by some onoc docs for hot flashes in men on HT HTH Lori
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Jim Rocks
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